Comments on: Whirled Views http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:03:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Musing http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214502 Musing Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:14:06 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214502 VSD post 69, but I suggest your vociferousness is not that low a decibel level either. So I fully understand what you believe. And you and qwerty do not believe the same thing regarding the Bible. I have not enquired of you regarding your beliefs on objecive data so I can not comment directly here. If you do believe in objective data and evidence (we can discuss what is meant by these terms if you like), then there is a quandry: qwerty is arguing from objective evidence and data, and if you accept objective evidence and data you are in a tough position of arbitrarily rejecting his evidence. qwerty does not accept the Bible as a valid source, and he is perfectly consistent to reject any arguments you make based on it. There is possibly an assymetry in the situation, but if there is an assymetry, then it appears to be an assymetry based on your assumption set possibly being more complex and complicated than qwerty's assumption set. VSD post 69,

but I suggest your vociferousness is not that low a decibel level either.

So I fully understand what you believe.

And you and qwerty do not believe the same thing regarding the Bible.

I have not enquired of you regarding your beliefs on objecive data so I can not comment directly here.

If you do believe in objective data and evidence (we can discuss what is meant by these terms if you like), then there is a quandry: qwerty is arguing from objective evidence and data, and if you accept objective evidence and data you are in a tough position of arbitrarily rejecting his evidence.

qwerty does not accept the Bible as a valid source, and he is perfectly consistent to reject any arguments you make based on it.

There is possibly an assymetry in the situation, but if there is an assymetry, then it appears to be an assymetry based on your assumption set possibly being more complex and complicated than qwerty’s assumption set.

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]]> By: VS http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214501 VS Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:54:34 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214501 Well see how it is Musing. Qwerty (Ed) isn't interested in a discussion with any Christian as he's too busy calling us stupid morons. (And I have the special label of "most immoral religious person on this blog"). I happen to believe the Bible is the Word of God, and thus I believe it will not return void. It's nothing to me to PROVE to Q/Ed that he's a fool. The Word says it and as far as I'm concerned, in this situation, that's that. If Qwerty had genuine questions, that would be a different matter entirely but we all know he's only here to attack and promote his own atheistic agenda. And I personally believe he's so violently vocal about it because he does know deep down within his heart, that God is true and every man (who says otherwise) is a liar and a fool. Well see how it is Musing. Qwerty (Ed) isn’t interested in a discussion with any Christian as he’s too busy calling us stupid morons. (And I have the special label of “most immoral religious person on this blog”).

I happen to believe the Bible is the Word of God, and thus I believe it will not return void. It’s nothing to me to PROVE to Q/Ed that he’s a fool. The Word says it and as far as I’m concerned, in this situation, that’s that. If Qwerty had genuine questions, that would be a different matter entirely but we all know he’s only here to attack and promote his own atheistic agenda. And I personally believe he’s so violently vocal about it because he does know deep down within his heart, that God is true and every man (who says otherwise) is a liar and a fool.

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]]> By: Musing http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214500 Musing Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:16:55 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214500 VS post 67, but of course quoting Bible verses to someone who does not hold your view of the Bible is perhaps akin to shouting down a well. If one is to have a conversation or discussion, then it needs to be held on mutually accepted assumptions OR it needs to be a discussion trying to understand how ones assumptions differ. My sense is either we can generate heat or light. Too often these discussion degenerate into generating only heat. VS post 67,

but of course quoting Bible verses to someone who does not hold your view of the Bible is perhaps akin to shouting down a well.

If one is to have a conversation or discussion, then it needs to be held on mutually accepted assumptions OR it needs to be a discussion trying to understand how ones assumptions differ.

My sense is either we can generate heat or light. Too often these discussion degenerate into generating only heat.

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]]> By: VS http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214499 VS Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:11:35 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214499 #45 - I don't use the Bible as a weapon with you - I've used several verses from the Bible to tell you what your Creator says about people who claim He doesn't exist. He says you're a fool. So get angry with me; I don't care. And your constant ranting about the Christians "yelling at an elderly science teacher" - get over it. Do you know how silly you sound? Good grief. #45 – I don’t use the Bible as a weapon with you – I’ve used several verses from the Bible to tell you what your Creator says about people who claim He doesn’t exist. He says you’re a fool. So get angry with me; I don’t care.

And your constant ranting about the Christians “yelling at an elderly science teacher” – get over it. Do you know how silly you sound?
Good grief.

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]]> By: outkast http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214498 outkast Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:33:26 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214498 Not the result of magic, #65, but the result of God's handiwork. Isn't it a wonderful thing to observe! Not the result of magic, #65, but the result of God’s handiwork. Isn’t it a wonderful thing to observe!

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]]> By: qwerty http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214497 qwerty Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:40:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214497 Thanks for that information Musing. I have been very interested in this debate scientists have been having about this amazing discovery. For creationists who think every debate is evidence against evolution, they are wrong as usual. The question here is whether or not "Hobbit" is a separate human species. No scientist, who doubts Hobbit is a different species, also doubts humans developed from other animals. It's a well known fact there were several species of humans and we are the only human ape species to survive. The debate is whether or not Homo floresiensis is one of those many human species. The recent analysis of the wrist bones support the idea this was a separate species and what is wonderful and interesting is this species shared our planet with us only 18,000 years ago. That means before 30,000 years ago when the Neanderthals went extinct, there were at least 3 different human species on earth. Before that there were even more. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26ance.html?_r=1&ex=1189915200&en=ba076bd3308aebeb&ei=5070&oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">The Human Family Tree Has Become a Bush With Many Branches</a> Meanwhile some extremely deluded people believe the entire universe is 6,000 years old, and everything is the result of supernatural magic. Thanks for that information Musing. I have been very interested in this debate scientists have been having about this amazing discovery. For creationists who think every debate is evidence against evolution, they are wrong as usual. The question here is whether or not “Hobbit” is a separate human species. No scientist, who doubts Hobbit is a different species, also doubts humans developed from other animals. It’s a well known fact there were several species of humans and we are the only human ape species to survive. The debate is whether or not Homo floresiensis is one of those many human species. The recent analysis of the wrist bones support the idea this was a separate species and what is wonderful and interesting is this species shared our planet with us only 18,000 years ago. That means before 30,000 years ago when the Neanderthals went extinct, there were at least 3 different human species on earth. Before that there were even more. The Human Family Tree Has Become a Bush With Many Branches

Meanwhile some extremely deluded people believe the entire universe is 6,000 years old, and everything is the result of supernatural magic.

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]]> By: mumsee http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214496 mumsee Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:38:18 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214496 Kim, I certainly understand and I do not advise getting involved with addicts beyond good neighborliness unless God is specifically directing. They carry a lot of burdens and challenges most of us never imagine. Without God's help and a strong support group, a person could quickly get in over her head. In a lot of addict homes (at least with meth) porn and sexual mis conduct go right along side. Either because the parents inhibitions are gone or because of the fellow users in the home. I do not know to what extent, if any, this woman is an addict, but unless you know for sure that she is not one, Chloe ought not to be at her house alone. Kim,

I certainly understand and I do not advise getting involved with addicts beyond good neighborliness unless God is specifically directing. They carry a lot of burdens and challenges most of us never imagine. Without God’s help and a strong support group, a person could quickly get in over her head.

In a lot of addict homes (at least with meth) porn and sexual mis conduct go right along side. Either because the parents inhibitions are gone or because of the fellow users in the home. I do not know to what extent, if any, this woman is an addict, but unless you know for sure that she is not one, Chloe ought not to be at her house alone.

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]]> By: Kim http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214495 Kim Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:28:26 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214495 Thank you mumsee. I am just having a hard time with my personal feelings on this matter. I want Chloe to be open to all different people. I just don't want to personally deal with an addict. My wants and desires are clouding my judgement. Thank you mumsee. I am just having a hard time with my personal feelings on this matter. I want Chloe to be open to all different people. I just don’t want to personally deal with an addict. My wants and desires are clouding my judgement.

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]]> By: Rio http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214494 Rio Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:25 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214494 Patience is a virtue. Patience is a virtue.

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]]> By: Musing http://online.worldmag.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/comment-page-2/#comment-214493 Musing Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:16:34 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/09/21/whirled-views-296/#comment-214493 The following material is interesting: <a HREF="http://news.aol.com/story/_a/study-says-hobbit-not-a-modern-human/20070921215709990001" rel="nofollow"> http://news.aol.com/story/_a/study-says-hobbit-not-a-modern-human/20070921215709990001 </a> If it stands up to scrutiny, and it looks like it will this time, then we have yet another case of a different type of humans coexisting on earth with modern humans, in this case only about 18,000 years ago. The description of the evolutionary development of humans is becoming ever more interesting and elegant! The following material is interesting:

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/study-says-hobbit-not-a-modern-human/20070921215709990001

If it stands up to scrutiny, and it looks like it will this time, then we have yet another case of a different type of humans coexisting on earth with modern humans, in this case only about 18,000 years ago.

The description of the evolutionary development of humans is becoming ever more interesting and elegant!

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