When Christians and conservatives diverge
Most people do not dispute the fact that hundreds of thousands of Armenians were killed by Turkish forces in the early part of the twentieth century, through a process of deportations, bombings, and executions. What we make of this fact, however, has been elevated to the forefront of the American political agenda, as a result of Wednesday’s declaration by the Foreign Affairs Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives that these deaths are properly labeled genocide.
The politics here are hairy. Some Republicans suspect the Democrat-controlled committee of pushing the resolution in an effort to sabotage the cooperation Turkey has shown the U.S. in Iraq. Bush’s people, meanwhile, are working overtime to stop the full House from voting in favor of the resolution, for the same reason, that it will undermine Turkey’s support for U.S. policies in the Middle East. The Turks, of course, are incensed, while the Armenians are celebrating.
A reading of the debate reveals considerable historical detail offered by those who label these deaths genocide, and elaborate argumentation by those who do not. There are plausible reasons to conclude that Turkish actions weren’t technically genocide, or to conclude that while they amount to genocide, only harm will come from the House’s resolution.
What I’m most interested in is this: where will Christians — especially the white evangelicals who tend to support President Bush — come down on this issue? My prediction: resounding silence, despite the religious theme (Muslims slaughtering Christians).
In part this will be due to ignorance (not confined to the Christian community, by any means) of history and indifference toward world affairs. There’s also a small element of complexity — there are some interesting arguments against calling the slaughter genocide, and Turkey has a fleet of lobbyists and public affairs specialists arguing its case to U.S. congressmen and journalists.
But the primary reason for silence, I’ll posit, is an unhealthy Christian allegiance to a political party and a president. This plays out, as a practical matter, in reasoning that runs something like this: President Bush says this will threaten our troops. The Democrats passed it. Must be bad.
And lest anyone assert that I’m unfairly representing President Bush’s viewpoint, let’s be clear: regardless of one’s conclusions about whether Turkish violence amounts to genocide, any fair reading of President Bush’s public statements on this matter place him squarely in the realpolitik camp, i.e., the truth about what the Turks did is less important than the current geopolitical interests of the U.S. And to be doubly fair to President Bush, I’ll further state that this is probably very wise political and military strategy.
Christians, however, aren’t called to be geopolitical strategists, are we? It seems to me that we ought not care whether the Foreign Affairs Committee’s resolution makes political sense (it probably doesn’t), or whether it is motivated less by a desire to see justice done than a desire to reward the Armenian-American lobby (which is probably the case). What we ought to ask, quite simply, is: What is the truth?
Did the Turks slaughter one and a half million Armenians because of their ethnicity and religion? What is the truth? We ought to ask this without reference to our political or even patriotic leanings, but as followers of Christ alone. And then we ought to speak the truth, regardless of the consequences. Telling the truth has always carried costs. It seems to me that we Christians, however, have no other choice — not even silence.



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Of course it was genocide. The Armenians have asked for years that the rest of the world recognize what happened to them. I’m unhappy that the Democrats have waited until now to use it for poliical gain. It’s disgusting!
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There are two issues here. Did the Turks do it, and what action should the US take today in response.
I think there is no question about the first issue. This has been known for years. It was a terrible atrocity, whether you call it genocide or not is merely semantics.
But one must see it in perspective. There have been many events such as this in the past few centuries. Are we calling on Germany to account for what they did in Namibia and Tanzania before WWI? Was that the first genocide?
Which brings me to the second point. I fail to see where the US congress is responsible to formally condemn what another nation’s WWI regime did. We each can state our opinion, but how is a condemnation of an historical event that happened before most of us were born the business of Congress? Why not condemn the Norman invasion, the Mongol sack of Baghdad, the Spanish conquest of Peru?
I think Congress should do the business of the future and let historians write about the past. There, that’s my five minute opinion.
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And here’s my one-second comment on Woodlief’s essay:
Amen!
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I think Amphipolis has a good idea about keeping it in perspective. These days we’re close allies and/or trade partners with many, many countries that were fierce enemies 200 years ago or less.
The British burned the White House during the War of 1812. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. China went from WWII ally to Cold War enemy to post-Cold War most favored nation trade partner (despite their continued human rights issues). And then there’s the issue of American slavery, the racially-motived always-obvious skeleton in our own nation’s closet.
Is it be possible to utterly condemn the actions of the past without holding the people of the present responsible for them? I hope so. Each generation has to make its own choices.
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Which is more relevant to the mission of Congress – taking a stand on an historical truth, or pursuing a wise geopolitical strategy?
It’s a moot point. Congress is not an historical authority, they are a political authority.
The issue is presented as if the only reason to oppose the proposed resolution is if you oppose truth. But there are other truths that must be considered, such as the function of Congress. If you are going to part with conservatives (whatever that means in this context) this is not where to do it.
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There was a time shortly after these events when congressional action would have helped the Armenians. That time has long since passed.
The Senate rejected the Treaty of Versailles and therefore the League of Nations. America was not interested in geopolitical issues like the proposed Armenian mandate. So Armenia was invaded and divided up between Turkey and the Soviet Union. But the consequences of rejecting the treaty went far beyond Armenia.
If those responsible for geopolitical issues ignore geopolitical truth, people suffer. Lots of people.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A0CE4D7113BEE3ABC4953DFB5668382609EDE
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Amphipolis is on target. Because the US is the leader of the free world (I know some disagree), and the world’s foremost superpower, there are times when the US Congress should publicly go on record to name & condemn atrocities going on in other parts of the world.
This is especially true when these events are current. It is even needful for them to recognize past atrocities in the name of human decency, such as the issue of this thread.
But their primary mission is the safety & stability of the current United States. If by making a declaration about a past event causes present harm, and that harm rises to a clear & present danger, are they neglecting the mission for which they were created?
I am not talking relativism here. What happened in Turkey should have long ago been recognized publicly by our government. But the timing here certainly seems to be curious, given the current political atmosphere regarding the war.
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Tony is bang on, Amphipolis provides a great followup, and for the first time in years Bush is right about something.
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I don’t like the implication that something is only historical if it is backed by a congressional resolution. Congress is not authorized or qualified to rule on historical truth. We don’t accept the official stand of the Turkish government, yet our official stand would be just as irrelevant. Truth is not established by a vote of congress.
There can be no positive outcome beyond empty sentiment. The list of possible negative outcomes is extensive.
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Something really really bad happened there back then – label it as one wishes.
Why does the US Congress need to pass a resolution about it?
Myriad really really bad things have happened throughout history. A US Congressional resolution at this point in time will do exactly diddly-squat about any of those past events – except cause us trouble with a current semi-ally.
The Donks rail about GWB being insensitive to forieng interests and thereby harming US interests through his “blundering”. And the Donks are setting out to show that they are equally clueless?
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Kyle, Actually there have been Congressional resolutions on this before, just getting more press now what with tensions from Turkey. The main sponsor of the bill — a holocaust survivor has fairly strong feelings on this topic. I don’t think this is a political ploy.
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The piece is written as if we are discussing what some generic group of people should do or say. The context is the US Congress.
Congress is a political body. If you think any congressional action is not political, you are naive. If you think it is not perceived to be political, you are even more naive.
Therefore, congressional action will not achieve the desired result. It will not be received as a statement of truth, but as a political statement.
It seems as though this context is either forgotten or thought irrelevant in the article. That is a mistake.
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Amph
I think Congressman Lantos wants to make a political statement — namely that genocide will not go unnamed and unmentioned. That is a political statement — but not one necessarily meant to embarass the President. As I noted this resolution is not new. It is only getting noticed now because of increased tension with Turkey over the Kurdish region in Iraq.
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It seems to me that we Christians, however, have no other choice — not even silence.
No explanation is given as to why the silence option is not available. Even accepting the substitution of Christians for the true context of Congress (the debate is about congress should do, not what you or I should say), this is a bit abrupt. Are we always to shoot our mouths off without regard to consequences? Doesn’t seem like the path of wisdom to me.
A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of understanding holds his tongue.
Proverbs 11:12
A man of knowledge uses words with restraint, and a man of understanding is even-tempered. Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.
Proverbs 17:27-28
Why don’t we criticize Muhammad? Pass a congressional resolution that says something about him that is historically accurate but highly offensive. Write an article. What is the truth?
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Coyote:
That’s not what Woodlief is getting at. I would argue that it would be far more effective to do something about present day genocide (Darfur?) than make empty and damaging comments about something safely past.
Turkey does not endorse genocide. The message becomes a joke – oh no, maybe we will be criticized in 100 years.
It is far easier to talk than to act. Congress is very good at confusing the two.
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My general philosophy about commenting on one’s own story is that I should not — after all, I had my shot at the beginning. I think there are some good arguments here for why Congress should not have addressed this issue, but I think we may be sidestepping the dilemma I want us as Christians to consider. Given that the matter has been put before Congress, i.e., that it has been elevated to the level of discussion, such that “no comment” is no longer an option, what do we want Congress to say?
The premise, of course, is that by voting against the resolution, one is not saying “this isn’t the business of Congress to discuss,” but rather — especially to the world community — “we’re not going to call this genocide.”
I’m also not certain that Congress isn’t in the business of making important statements about our values and beliefs. “We hold these truths to be self-evident,” for example, is a philosophical/historical statement that was not only critical to our own foundation as a nation, but has served as an inspiration to people the world over seeking liberty. One could quibble that it wasn’t Congress that made such a statement, but it would be a quibble at best.
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Thanks for commenting, Tony. It is an interesting discussion. I may disagree with portions of your article, but it has certainly made me think. Whether I’m right is for others to decide.
I question your premise above. Congress is a political body. The rejection of a resolution (that should never have been brought forward) does not imply that the Armenian genocide did not happen; just that Congress is not prepared to officially state that it has, or that it is not their business to comment.
It is obviously an uncomfortable position to be in, and I am amazed at the strength of Turkey’s reaction. But that also is political. This is about respect for a partner. They feel abused, because they have been deliberately offended. It’s more about the alliance than the historical fact, and I think everyone is aware of this. Turkey’s denial is certainly galling.
Congress can make all of the general statements it wants about truth and justice and such. It could have stated that we abhor genocide. But this is a ruling on a specific historical issue. I don’t think we want to go down the path where every historical dispute must be resolved by Congress – as if Congressional votes could resolve any factual issue.
OK, I’ve got to get back to work, thanks again!
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Muslim terror against Chrstians? Say it aint so!
Folks say we cant push this issue to much, lest we lose Turkish support in the war on Terror.
Well, where is that support exactly? They refused to allow US forces the option of attacking Iraq from the north. The only part of Iraq which seems to be functioning as hoped for by those who ginned up this war is the part that the Turks oppose the most (Kurdistan).
In the meanwhile, the 18wheel tractor trailer rigs here have Turkish companies and brand names on them. Even the CocaCola I drink here has Turkish on it. So the Turks are financially reaping a great deal by our presence here in Iraq. The contract workers who drive the trucks with the long vacuum hoses which suck out the contents of our porta johns? Yep, Turks.
Yes, we all know that the Armenian genocide partly inspired Hitler. The USA did a genocide against the American Indians. I think the Turks are probably fearful of some type of reparations movemt by Amrmenians scattered around the world (and the USA) today.
There are lots more prominent Armenian Americans than there are Turks. That alone accounts for Congress’ pandering to a historic injustice; not the historic injustice in its own
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Text of the resolution is here
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:hr106ih.txt.pdf
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Should Congress next proceed to list every atrocity ever commited in the history of the modern world? As a Christian, I acknowledge that this was genocide, and I am not surprised by such actions in the Muslim world. But it should be irrelevant as far as Congress is concerned.
Congress should be concerned with what goes on in the present; the past should be left to historians.
As a Christian, I am definitely concerned with how this resolution would affect our relationship with an ally in this war. What good could come of this resolution? Acknowledgement of a wrong in the past?
What bad can come of this? We could intentionally spit in the face of an ally.
Everyone in the Western world knows what goes on in places like North Korea, China, Sudan… What good would come of a resolution condemning these countries and atrocities they have commited? None. So why waste time on such issues unless a proposal of action is put forth?
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Randy, this resolution is a testament to the power and clout of the Armenians in the USA. The Armenian-descent folks I know are all fabulous people: successful in so many fields. California had an Armenian descent Governor (Dukmejian) And lets not forget Cherilynn Sarkisian, whom the world knows as Cher. (She made a trip to Romania and was feted like royalty)
I would not tell anyone this atrocity didnt happen. I would turn the spotlight around and ask what AT THAT TIME did the US govt do to try and halt it? Guilt falls squarely on Woodrow Wilson.
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We are great at memoralizing genocide after it happens and ignoring it as it happens.
Turkey does not represent a key ally, although it represents secualar Islam rather well. Turkey represents a threat to Kurdistan and thus any semblance of stability in Iraq. For that reason only, Bush et al tread very carefully. You may even say Turkey intimidates Bush et al as it poses a military threat to Iraq for Iraq’s failure to monitor and control the frontier.
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Amph, Randy, et al
Let me reiterate that this is not the first time this resolution has been brought to the fore in the House. There have also been Senate resolutions. As for Darfur, North Korea, China and Sudan both chambers have expressed views and in the case of the later four both chambers have appropriated funds directly aimed at human rights violations and directly aimed at improving the situation. Both Darfur and North Korea have special envoys also working on just the situations mentioned. The fact that you are only noticing this because the right wing bloggers have erupted into a how dare the (democratic) House challenge the Administration only means that they have not been paying attention.
To Tony’s questions, first I would ask why recognition of a genocide is not a conservative position. Last Congress the following Senators (among others) co-sponsored the measure:
Sen Allard, Wayne [CO] – 2/8/2006
Sen Allen, George [VA] – 12/12/2005
Sen Brownback, Sam [KS] – 5/8/2006
Sen Coleman, Norm [MN] – 12/15/2005
Sen Dole, Elizabeth [NC] – 1/30/2006
Sen Santorum, Rick [PA] – 2/14/2006
Sen Sununu, John E. [NH] – 12/13/2005
Correct me if I am wrong but Allen, Brownback and Santorum aren’t exactly moderates. Where was conservative outrage then?
I take issue with the notion that the resolution is in conflict with conservativism. It does present geopolitical issues, but that is a different argument. No you all have confused a position taken for important geopolitical reasons by the Bush White House with “the” conservative position. I guess it is true that conservativism has lost its way.
Now, is there a Christian position on recognizing a truth for what it is?
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For good measure here is the entire list of House co-sponsors:
Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Allen, Thomas H. [ME-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Arcuri, Michael A. [NY-24] – 7/18/2007
Rep Baca, Joe [CA-43] – 1/31/2007
Rep Bachmann, Michele [MN-6] – 3/1/2007
Rep Baird, Brian [WA-3] – 3/12/2007
Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Barrow, John [GA-12] – 6/20/2007
Rep Bean, Melissa L. [IL-8] – 1/31/2007
Rep Becerra, Xavier [CA-31] – 1/31/2007
Rep Berkley, Shelley [NV-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] – 1/31/2007
Rep Berry, Marion [AR-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] – 3/12/2007
Rep Bilirakis, Gus M. [FL-9] – 1/31/2007
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. [GA-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. [NY-1] – 4/19/2007
Rep Blumenauer, Earl [OR-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Bono, Mary [CA-45] – 1/31/2007
Rep Bordallo, Madeleine Z. [GU] – 6/21/2007
Rep Boyd, Allen [FL-2] – 6/28/2007
Rep Brady, Robert A. [PA-1] – 3/12/2007
Rep Braley, Bruce L. [IA-1] – 4/19/2007
Rep Butterfield, G. K. [NC-1] – 6/28/2007
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] – 1/31/2007
Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] – 6/7/2007
Rep Campbell, John [CA-48] – 1/31/2007
Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-23] – 1/31/2007
Rep Capuano, Michael E. [MA-8] – 1/31/2007
Rep Cardoza, Dennis A. [CA-18] – 1/31/2007
Rep Carson, Julia [IN-7] – 6/28/2007
Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] – 7/10/2007
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] – 4/16/2007
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] – 1/31/2007
Rep Costa, Jim [CA-20] – 1/31/2007
Rep Costello, Jerry F. [IL-12] – 1/31/2007
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] – 5/14/2007
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] – 6/28/2007
Rep Davis, Artur [AL-7] – 6/26/2007
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Davis, Lincoln [TN-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] – 1/31/2007
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep DeGette, Diana [CO-1] – 2/5/2007
Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. [CT-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Dent, Charles W. [PA-15] – 1/31/2007
Rep Diaz-Balart, Lincoln [FL-21] – 1/31/2007
Rep Diaz-Balart, Mario [FL-25] – 1/31/2007
Rep Dingell, John D. [MI-15] – 1/31/2007
Rep Doggett, Lloyd [TX-25] – 1/31/2007
Rep Doolittle, John T. [CA-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Doyle, Michael F. [PA-14] – 1/31/2007
Rep Dreier, David [CA-26] – 1/31/2007
Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] – 2/5/2007
Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-17] – 1/31/2007
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. [CA-14] – 1/31/2007
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] – 1/31/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Ferguson, Mike [NJ-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] – 1/31/2007
Rep Fortuno, Luis G. [PR] – 10/4/2007
Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. [NJ-11] – 1/31/2007
Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Gerlach, Jim [PA-6] – 1/31/2007
Rep Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY-20] – 7/18/2007
Rep Gonzalez, Charles A. [TX-20] – 1/31/2007
Rep Green, Al [TX-9] – 3/1/2007
Rep Green, Gene [TX-29] – 2/5/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Hall, John J. [NY-19] – 8/2/2007
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] – 1/31/2007
Rep Harman, Jane [CA-36] – 2/8/2007
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] – 7/18/2007
Rep Herseth, Stephanie [SD] – 1/31/2007
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] – 1/31/2007
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] – 1/31/2007
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] – 6/20/2007
Rep Hodes, Paul W. [NH-2] – 5/9/2007
Rep Holden, Tim [PA-17] – 1/31/2007
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] – 1/31/2007
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] – 1/31/2007
Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] – 4/16/2007
Rep Israel, Steve [NY-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] – 1/31/2007
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] – 1/31/2007
Rep Johnson, Henry C. “Hank,” Jr. [GA-4] – 2/8/2007
Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs [OH-11] – 1/31/2007
Rep Kagen, Steve [WI-8] – 6/28/2007
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. [RI-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. [MI-13] – 1/31/2007
Rep Kind, Ron [WI-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] – 6/26/2007
Rep Kirk, Mark Steven [IL-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Knollenberg, Joe [MI-9] – 1/30/2007
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Kuhl, John R. “Randy”, Jr. [NY-29] – 6/20/2007
Rep LaHood, Ray [IL-18] – 8/2/2007
Rep Lamborn, Doug [CO-5] – 2/8/2007
Rep Langevin, James R. [RI-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Larsen, Rick [WA-2] – 6/28/2007
Rep Larson, John B. [CT-1] – 5/24/2007
Rep LaTourette, Steven C. [OH-14] – 3/1/2007
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] – 1/31/2007
Rep Levin, Sander M. [MI-12] – 1/31/2007
Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Lipinski, Daniel [IL-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep LoBiondo, Frank A. [NJ-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] – 1/31/2007
Rep Lowey, Nita M. [NY-18] – 1/31/2007
Rep Lungren, Daniel E. [CA-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Lynch, Stephen F. [MA-9] – 1/31/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] – 1/31/2007
Rep Marchant, Kenny [TX-24] – 2/8/2007
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Marshall, Jim [GA-8] – 6/26/2007
Rep Matheson, Jim [UT-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Matsui, Doris O. [CA-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep McCarthy, Kevin [CA-22] – 2/5/2007
Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11] – 1/30/2007
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep McHugh, John M. [NY-23] – 8/2/2007
Rep McKeon, Howard P. “Buck” [CA-25] – 1/31/2007
Rep McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [WA-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep McNerney, Jerry [CA-11] – 2/5/2007
Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-21] – 1/31/2007
Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Meek, Kendrick B. [FL-17] – 6/21/2007
Rep Melancon, Charlie [LA-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Michaud, Michael H. [ME-2] – 2/8/2007
Rep Millender-McDonald, Juanita [CA-37] – 1/31/2007
Rep Miller, Candice S. [MI-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] – 3/29/2007
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Mitchell, Harry E. [AZ-5] – 6/21/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] – 1/31/2007
Rep Murphy, Christopher S. [CT-5] – 5/21/2007
Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] – 1/31/2007
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-38] – 1/31/2007
Rep Neal, Richard E. [MA-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] – 1/31/2007
Rep Nunes, Devin [CA-21] – 1/31/2007
Rep Olver, John W. [MA-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr. [NJ-6] – 1/30/2007
Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Perlmutter, Ed [CO-7] – 3/29/2007
Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] – 1/31/2007
Rep Pitts, Joseph R. [PA-16] – 6/7/2007
Rep Porter, Jon C. [NV-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Radanovich, George [CA-19] – 1/30/2007
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] – 1/31/2007
Rep Reichert, David G. [WA-8] – 4/16/2007
Rep Renzi, Rick [AZ-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Richardson, Laura [CA-37] – 10/4/2007
Rep Rodriguez, Ciro D. [TX-23] – 6/26/2007
Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] – 1/31/2007
Rep Rohrabacher, Dana [CA-46] – 1/31/2007
Rep Roskam, Peter J. [IL-6] – 5/21/2007
Rep Ross, Mike [AR-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Rothman, Steven R. [NJ-9] – 1/31/2007
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille [CA-34] – 1/31/2007
Rep Royce, Edward R. [CA-40] – 1/31/2007
Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Ryan, Paul [WI-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] – 1/31/2007
Rep Salazar, John T. [CO-3] – 4/16/2007
Rep Sanchez, Linda T. [CA-39] – 1/31/2007
Rep Sanchez, Loretta [CA-47] – 1/31/2007
Rep Sarbanes, John P. [MD-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] – 1/31/2007
Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y. [PA-13] – 1/31/2007
Rep Scott, Robert C. “Bobby” [VA-3] – 6/28/2007
Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5] – 1/31/2007
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] – 6/26/2007
Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27] – 1/30/2007
Rep Sires, Albio [NJ-13] – 1/31/2007
Rep Smith, Christopher H. [NJ-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Solis, Hilda L. [CA-32] – 1/31/2007
Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Space, Zachary T. [OH-18] – 3/12/2007
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] – 1/31/2007
Rep Sutton, Betty [OH-13] – 3/29/2007
Rep Tauscher, Ellen O. [CA-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. [MS-2] – 6/20/2007
Rep Thompson, Mike [CA-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Tierney, John F. [MA-6] – 1/31/2007
Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Udall, Mark [CO-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Udall, Tom [NM-3] – 5/14/2007
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] – 1/31/2007
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-12] – 2/5/2007
Rep Visclosky, Peter J. [IN-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Walberg, Timothy [MI-7] – 6/7/2007
Rep Walsh, James T. [NY-25] – 2/8/2007
Rep Walz, Timothy J. [MN-1] – 1/31/2007
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] – 1/31/2007
Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-35] – 1/31/2007
Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] – 1/31/2007
Rep Watt, Melvin L. [NC-12] – 6/28/2007
Rep Waxman, Henry A. [CA-30] – 1/31/2007
Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9] – 1/31/2007
Rep Weller, Jerry [IL-11] – 1/31/2007
Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] – 1/31/2007
Rep Wolf, Frank R. [VA-10] – 1/31/2007
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] – 1/31/2007
Rep Wu, David [OR-1] – 2/8/2007
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] – 1/31/2007
Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3] – 7/10/2007
More than one conservative in that list, including a popular pick around hereabouts for President.
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Coyote,
I didn’t intend to imply that a small-c conservative wouldn’t support such a resolution, but rather that a big-C Conservative (someone whose positions stem more from his identification with a political coalition, rather than a philosophical grounding) would be unlikely to support the resolution.
My larger point is more a suspicion, really, that we white, evangelical Christians are prone to adopt a Conservative, and even Republican, view on policy, and to give undue allegiance and deference to national figures who wear those labels. With regard to this specific resolution, it struck me that we end up supporting the notion that a truth — that the Turks committed genocide — should not be spoken.
Amphipolis and others here have made some good points about why the House resolution is a bad idea, but it still makes me feel queasy (and I think it should make us, as Christians, feel queasy) that we are in a position where we argue that a truth should not be declared.
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Tony
Genocide always presents this problem because the genocide prevention is thought by many experts to require a response to the perpetrators. Rwanda was not declared a genocide until after it was done for just that reason. The question of what to do with a genocide is not just for Christians but also for moral people everywhere. You and readers might be interested in the debate surrounding the concept of the responsibility to protect if you have not explored it. R2P is a second generation thought on what to do when there are massive humanitarian and human rights violations.
On Turkey though the reaction from the Turks is more likely a tempest in a teapot. They have had similar reactions to Congress before on the genocide issue, however, no Administration that I know of has gone on record whether it has a Republican or Democratic bent. Quite frankly this resolution will not affect Turkish reaction to the PKK in Iraq one way or the other. But buying into the notion that nothing must be said to maintain national interests is an argument that mitigates against promoting human rights and democracy in the first place. There is a tension between human rights and democracy promotion, geopolitical strategy and national interests that is a much more interesting debate than the narrow confines of blind support for Conservative positions (I even take issue with that though as many Conservative politicians did support the measure.)
I disagree with the points above on why the Congress should not address such issues particularly those which state the Congress should do something about present human rights and humanitarian problems — Congress is doing something namely through appropriations but also by visiting Sudan, for example in person to express to the regime views that are in sync with the Administration. What is striking to me is the criticism without real knowledge — it’s a kneejerk reaction that those libs who run Congress are up to no good.
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It’s a feel good thing, this condemning of a far away country for something that happened a long time ago. It makes us feel so righteous. We proudly speak the truth. People should take notice, people should respect us. It all feels so good, it is a pity that it really changes nothing. No – it makes our words ring even more hollow.
If we wish to stop genocide, or atrocities that are virtual genocide, then we will do something about it. Talking and visits do nothing except make us look like impotent fools. Sanctions and other financial actions are not much better. All these things are cheap. They require no sacrifice. Not one thug will think twice for fear of contributing to an unborn grandchild’s diplomatic incident. Nonbinding resolutions promote cowardice, not human rights and democracy.
If we wish to stop genocide, we now have the power to do it, power we did not have 100 years ago. What is lacking is the will. If we had the power back then to save the Armenians, should we not have done it? What would we say today about those that held back?
Why not just be honest – pass a resolution saying that we don’t like genocide but we will not use our power in any meaningful way to stop it because we are afraid we might hurt someone.
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Amph
There is a real power in just acknowledging a thing. It makes a difference for both descendants of victims and perpetrators. It may be hard to understand. Think of it as when there is a rotting corpse of an elephant under the rug and you think you are the only one who sees it. Then someone says they see it too.
For action the first step actually is acknowledging the problem and then taking steps. Can genocides be stopped without force? Probably not, but then I’m not sure anyone at this point in our history advocates military force in such situations. Though with R2P we are getting closer.
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Genocide wasn’t even in use back when the Armenians were attacked. What Turkey did does fit the current definition, however.
As horrible as what happened was – as others have ably shown – this is congress wasting time when there is real work to be done. The best move would be to table the resolution and get on with the business of legislating (ie what we sent these guys to DC to do).
As Christians, we can speak the historical truth, but this resolution really should just be ignored; its one side playing politics with history and wasting time, potentially alienating an important ally in the process (Turkish airspace has been pretty handy in our recent endeavors).
But if congress does wind up passing the resolution, I have a list of historical atrocities for them to condemn.
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American Indians practiced genocide. They attempted to completely exterminate other tribes. The Mongols did the same to the Assassins and others. Millions died, even their pets were killed. The Romans fought the Third Punic War for similar reasons. The destruction was so complete that until recently we didn’t even know precisely where Carthage had been. I could argue that the worshippers of Kali almost made it a religion in India, giving us the word thug.
Genocide is probably as old as humanity. The fact that we condemn it today is what is odd.
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Amph
The fact that we condemn human rights violations today, is what is different — something that began after World War II.
If your point is that we should not do so, then it is you who are out of step with modern trends.
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Coyote:
Yes we should do so! I thought I made my opinion on that clear with my previous posts. I’m just pointing out the history of it. As you implied, what Hitler did changed everything and made people aware of the horror of it as a crime against humanity. That does not mean that similar things did not happen before.
By odd I meant historically odd, not wrong.
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