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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRS

----&lt;b&gt;&quot;No one even suggested that public schools be shut down.&lt;/b&gt; Unfortunately, they are presently necessary for the single parent (not always), the double-income family, and other such cases. So, I have no idea where you got that idea.&quot;----

TRS, I haven&#039;t suggested that public schools be shut down either, so &lt;b&gt;what is your POINT?&lt;/b&gt;

----&quot;Homeschool parents who tutor kids not their own &lt;b&gt;(we have a single parent friend who pays another homeschooling friend to babysit and homeschool her daughter).&lt;/b&gt; School co-ops where &lt;b&gt;parents take turns teaching groups of children in subjects of interest.&lt;/b&gt; Christian schools and other private schools.&quot;---- 

TRS, not all single parents can afford to pay others for teaching their children.  Many public schools offer &lt;b&gt;&#039;after school care&#039; free&lt;/b&gt; for those single parents or those unable to pay for babysitting after school.  

Mothers who work a full day, who have shopping marketing, etc., not to mention helping a child with homework have no time to teach other kids after school - I don&#039;t know how many single moms you have known, or know, but I have never met one who could take on another responsibility after a nine hour day at the office, to take turns teaching, not to mention all the responsibilities of running a home - 

I agree about vouchers, but I don&#039;t think the money would be sufficient to pay for private school - I could be wrong -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRS</p>
<p>&#8212;-<b>&#8220;No one even suggested that public schools be shut down.</b> Unfortunately, they are presently necessary for the single parent (not always), the double-income family, and other such cases. So, I have no idea where you got that idea.&#8221;&#8212;-</p>
<p>TRS, I haven&#8217;t suggested that public schools be shut down either, so <b>what is your POINT?</b></p>
<p>&#8212;-&#8221;Homeschool parents who tutor kids not their own <b>(we have a single parent friend who pays another homeschooling friend to babysit and homeschool her daughter).</b> School co-ops where <b>parents take turns teaching groups of children in subjects of interest.</b> Christian schools and other private schools.&#8221;&#8212;- </p>
<p>TRS, not all single parents can afford to pay others for teaching their children.  Many public schools offer <b>&#8216;after school care&#8217; free</b> for those single parents or those unable to pay for babysitting after school.  </p>
<p>Mothers who work a full day, who have shopping marketing, etc., not to mention helping a child with homework have no time to teach other kids after school &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how many single moms you have known, or know, but I have never met one who could take on another responsibility after a nine hour day at the office, to take turns teaching, not to mention all the responsibilities of running a home &#8211; </p>
<p>I agree about vouchers, but I don&#8217;t think the money would be sufficient to pay for private school &#8211; I could be wrong -
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria - Where I really stand on the schooling issue is that I believe each set of parents must seek God&#039;s will for their children.  And part of that is to lay aside our preconceptions of the various forms of schooling.

As our older daughter was approaching kindergarten age, we considered homeschooling her.  Through different ways, God made it clear that it was His will for Emily (&amp; later her little sister, Chrissy) to go to public school.

Years later, when Emily was in 8th grade, &amp; Chrissy in 5th, God used a question, followed by much prayer, to lead us to begin homeschooling the following year.  Initially, I thought His answer would be no about that, but He changed my mind. 

And it was quite a surprise to me that God wanted us to change course.  If we had not put aside our preconceptions, &amp; opened ourselves to His will in prayer, we would have missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria &#8211; Where I really stand on the schooling issue is that I believe each set of parents must seek God&#8217;s will for their children.  And part of that is to lay aside our preconceptions of the various forms of schooling.</p>
<p>As our older daughter was approaching kindergarten age, we considered homeschooling her.  Through different ways, God made it clear that it was His will for Emily (&amp; later her little sister, Chrissy) to go to public school.</p>
<p>Years later, when Emily was in 8th grade, &amp; Chrissy in 5th, God used a question, followed by much prayer, to lead us to begin homeschooling the following year.  Initially, I thought His answer would be no about that, but He changed my mind. </p>
<p>And it was quite a surprise to me that God wanted us to change course.  If we had not put aside our preconceptions, &amp; opened ourselves to His will in prayer, we would have missed it.
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		<title>By: TRS</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria,

No one even suggested that public schools be shut down.  Unfortunately, they are presently necessary for the single parent (not always), the double-income family, and other such cases. So, I have no idea where you got that idea.

There are many other options, though, that would be well looked into.  Vouchers to go to the private school of one&#039;s choice perhaps.  Homeschool parents who tutor kids not their own (we have a single parent friend who pays another homeschooling friend to babysit and homeschool her daughter). School co-ops where parents take turns teaching groups of children in subjects of interest. Christian schools and other private schools. 

As to your last few posts, I&#039;m not really getting your point. They seem rather rambling and disjointed to me. If you&#039;re trying to say that God works all things to the good for those that are called according to His purpose, then why not just say that instead of quoting long passages about Joseph?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria,</p>
<p>No one even suggested that public schools be shut down.  Unfortunately, they are presently necessary for the single parent (not always), the double-income family, and other such cases. So, I have no idea where you got that idea.</p>
<p>There are many other options, though, that would be well looked into.  Vouchers to go to the private school of one&#8217;s choice perhaps.  Homeschool parents who tutor kids not their own (we have a single parent friend who pays another homeschooling friend to babysit and homeschool her daughter). School co-ops where parents take turns teaching groups of children in subjects of interest. Christian schools and other private schools. </p>
<p>As to your last few posts, I&#8217;m not really getting your point. They seem rather rambling and disjointed to me. If you&#8217;re trying to say that God works all things to the good for those that are called according to His purpose, then why not just say that instead of quoting long passages about Joseph?
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above text was taken from Genesis 50:20-21

&quot;He assures them of his own kindness to them. See what an excellent spirit Joseph was of, and learn of him to render good for evil. He comforted them, and, to banish all their fears, he spake kindly to them. Broken spirits must be bound up and encouraged. Those we love and forgive, we must not only do well for, but speak kindly to.&quot;  Matthew Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above text was taken from Genesis 50:20-21</p>
<p>&#8220;He assures them of his own kindness to them. See what an excellent spirit Joseph was of, and learn of him to render good for evil. He comforted them, and, to banish all their fears, he spake kindly to them. Broken spirits must be bound up and encouraged. Those we love and forgive, we must not only do well for, but speak kindly to.&#8221;  Matthew Henry
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; Joseph took a great deal of abuse from his brothers, as they sold him into Egypt.&lt;/b&gt;  It must have been the saddest day of his life.  God had had a plan for that family, and although it was impossible to see, Joseph, would be an instrument of God to feed and bring his family to a safe place.  The story of Jacob and Joseph, the way God planned the whole event, as painful as it was, should be a lesson to us all to understand &lt;b&gt;trials, which are burdensome, but have a reason &lt;/b&gt;- And through all this the 12 Tribes of Israel - have you ever wondered what would have happened if Joseph had he rebelled against his circumstances, had allows himself to sinfully be involved with Potiphar&#039;s wife?  This young  boy when sold by his brothers, is proof that although these hardships, even to a young boy, can be part of God&#039;s Will - If it were not so, it would never have happened to Joseph - 

&lt;b&gt;20 - But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;21 -  Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> Joseph took a great deal of abuse from his brothers, as they sold him into Egypt.</b>  It must have been the saddest day of his life.  God had had a plan for that family, and although it was impossible to see, Joseph, would be an instrument of God to feed and bring his family to a safe place.  The story of Jacob and Joseph, the way God planned the whole event, as painful as it was, should be a lesson to us all to understand <b>trials, which are burdensome, but have a reason </b>- And through all this the 12 Tribes of Israel &#8211; have you ever wondered what would have happened if Joseph had he rebelled against his circumstances, had allows himself to sinfully be involved with Potiphar&#8217;s wife?  This young  boy when sold by his brothers, is proof that although these hardships, even to a young boy, can be part of God&#8217;s Will &#8211; If it were not so, it would never have happened to Joseph &#8211; </p>
<p><b>20 &#8211; But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.</b></p>
<p><b>21 &#8211;  Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.</b>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

Not all children are so severely teased in school.  I certainly had no thoughts as you experienced, when I was teased.   I also don&#039;t believe that because there are children who are mean and spiteful, that should cause the entire public school system to be vilified.  We all have different opinions, based on personal  knowledge, we can share them and still disagree with the other person, without &#039;name calling&#039; or &#039;snide remarks&#039; which serve no purpose,  - - - &lt;b&gt;isn&#039;t that what we teach our children, either in school or at home, and CHURCH? &lt;/b&gt; 

There are many single parents who are unable to home-school their children.  They have jobs which don&#039;t allow them to stay home, such as:

Retail, banking, Real Estate, Mgr&#039;s positions anywhere, airlines, medicine, lawyers, waitresses and a host of other jobs which would never allow these people to home-school, no matter what the reason -

&lt;b&gt;In light of this horrific Bill being passed last Friday, and hidden as to its passing by all MAJOR NEWS, it changes everything&lt;/b&gt; - My husband and I have been discussing EXACTLY what we can do to help - we have some ideas which might alleviate  some of the burden on &#039;single parents&#039; who are FORCED TO WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME.  It won&#039;t solve the whole problem, but just might put a dent in this mess -

Christian schools are most likely going to be the answer with those who are able and willing to help pave and pay the way for this to take place - 

With this taking place in other states, and now the state of California as of  January 2008 we have little time to work, but we know that God knows about this, and HE will work this out according to HIS WILL -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>Not all children are so severely teased in school.  I certainly had no thoughts as you experienced, when I was teased.   I also don&#8217;t believe that because there are children who are mean and spiteful, that should cause the entire public school system to be vilified.  We all have different opinions, based on personal  knowledge, we can share them and still disagree with the other person, without &#8216;name calling&#8217; or &#8217;snide remarks&#8217; which serve no purpose,  &#8211; - &#8211; <b>isn&#8217;t that what we teach our children, either in school or at home, and CHURCH? </b> </p>
<p>There are many single parents who are unable to home-school their children.  They have jobs which don&#8217;t allow them to stay home, such as:</p>
<p>Retail, banking, Real Estate, Mgr&#8217;s positions anywhere, airlines, medicine, lawyers, waitresses and a host of other jobs which would never allow these people to home-school, no matter what the reason -</p>
<p><b>In light of this horrific Bill being passed last Friday, and hidden as to its passing by all MAJOR NEWS, it changes everything</b> &#8211; My husband and I have been discussing EXACTLY what we can do to help &#8211; we have some ideas which might alleviate  some of the burden on &#8217;single parents&#8217; who are FORCED TO WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME.  It won&#8217;t solve the whole problem, but just might put a dent in this mess -</p>
<p>Christian schools are most likely going to be the answer with those who are able and willing to help pave and pay the way for this to take place &#8211; </p>
<p>With this taking place in other states, and now the state of California as of  January 2008 we have little time to work, but we know that God knows about this, and HE will work this out according to HIS WILL -
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		<title>By: Peter L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRS- At the risk of being &lt;b&gt;boldly&lt;/b&gt; reprimanded by you-know-who, I would encourage you not to respond to her with facts.  In that way, she is like a liberal, and cannot be bothered with facts.

&lt;b&gt;To You-Know-Who-You-Are&lt;/b&gt; (we don&#8217;t):  I was teased to no end from 4th through 8th grade, at a Catholic school.  It enraged me to the point of violence, though not as severe as Columbine.  I even thought suicidal thoughts in junior high, and thoughts of wishing my tormentors were dead in the 4th grade!  Don&#8217;t tell me my children have to endure the same just to be well rounded adults.  I am the &#8220;well balanced&#8221; adult I am today by the grace of God, &lt;i&gt;not because of teasing!!!!!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRS- At the risk of being <b>boldly</b> reprimanded by you-know-who, I would encourage you not to respond to her with facts.  In that way, she is like a liberal, and cannot be bothered with facts.</p>
<p><b>To You-Know-Who-You-Are</b> (we don&#8217;t):  I was teased to no end from 4th through 8th grade, at a Catholic school.  It enraged me to the point of violence, though not as severe as Columbine.  I even thought suicidal thoughts in junior high, and thoughts of wishing my tormentors were dead in the 4th grade!  Don&#8217;t tell me my children have to endure the same just to be well rounded adults.  I am the &#8220;well balanced&#8221; adult I am today by the grace of God, <i>not because of teasing!!!!!</i>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crud. The above comment is mine--I forgot TJ had been on here first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crud. The above comment is mine&#8211;I forgot TJ had been on here first.
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t seen the bill she&#039;s referencing, but I bet it doesn&#039;t affect churches that are not 501(c)--IRS talk for non-profit. I know a couple churches that don&#039;t hold this status primarily so they&#039;re not beholden to the state in any way. 

Of course, this means any donations are not tax-deductible, but if that&#039;s why someone&#039;s giving, he has bigger problems anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen the bill she&#8217;s referencing, but I bet it doesn&#8217;t affect churches that are not 501(c)&#8211;IRS talk for non-profit. I know a couple churches that don&#8217;t hold this status primarily so they&#8217;re not beholden to the state in any way. </p>
<p>Of course, this means any donations are not tax-deductible, but if that&#8217;s why someone&#8217;s giving, he has bigger problems anyway.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;AB 394 infringes on free speech.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

&quot;For example, because AB 394 fails to define &#8220;harassment,&#8221;&lt;b&gt; a parent who says marriage is only for a man and a woman in the presence of a lesbian teacher could be found guilty of &#8220;harassment.&#8221;&lt;/b&gt;

  &quot;Similarly, &lt;b&gt;a student who says you&#8217;re born either male or female could be reported as a &#8220;harasser&#8221; by a male teacher who wears women&#8217;s clothes.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Schwarzenegger signed AB 14, which requires more California businesses, as well as some &lt;b&gt;churches and nonprofit organizations, to support and promote transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.savecalifornia.com/getpluggedin/news_details.php?newsid=89</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;AB 394 infringes on free speech.&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>&#8220;For example, because AB 394 fails to define &#8220;harassment,&#8221;<b> a parent who says marriage is only for a man and a woman in the presence of a lesbian teacher could be found guilty of &#8220;harassment.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>  &#8220;Similarly, <b>a student who says you&#8217;re born either male or female could be reported as a &#8220;harasser&#8221; by a male teacher who wears women&#8217;s clothes.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Schwarzenegger signed AB 14, which requires more California businesses, as well as some <b>churches and nonprofit organizations, to support and promote transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality.&#8221;</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.savecalifornia.com/getpluggedin/news_details.php?newsid=89" rel="nofollow">http://www.savecalifornia.com/getpluggedin/news_details.php?newsid=89</a>
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