A different kind of abortion documentary
Check out this review of Lake of Fire, a new documentary from Tony Kaye (American History X) on abortion. Kaye claims that the documentary affords a balanced view of the issue and doesn’t take sides. Is it, and does it? National Review says not really, maybe. According to the review, there’s a terrific amount of highlighting nutball pro-lifers, but there’s a little but of highlighting nutball pro-choicers, too. And then there’s this:
[W]e must laud Kaye for the most talked-about scene in the movie: It shows an actual abortion. You see body parts as the doctor assembles them on a table.And Kaye’s words are revealing:
“From the moment I started making the film I thought I have to show an abortion, which at the time had never been done before.”
That’s right. You see lots of bloody hospital procedures on Grey’s Anatomy each week, you see grisly autopsies on CSI nearly every day, but we have never once seen the most common surgical procedure performed on women under 40 – not even on Nova.
That might help the abortion debate.
I’m not sure I could watch this, or what good it would do. The ultimate message of the film seems to be summed up by Alan Dershowitz in the film: “‘Everybody is right when it comes to the issue of abortion,’ he says in the film. ‘In the end human beings have to decide.’” Basically, then: “Believe whatever you want to believe, but whatever you believe, you had better be “pro-choice.”














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WQED PBS out of Boston showed an actual abortion on a program they did in the mid-1980’s. I watched it for information purposes.
Or, rather I watched it until what was happening sunk in: they’re actually killing a baby. I felt shaken, turned it off and went in search of my own babies to hold for comfort.
I suppose it could have been defined as a snuff film.
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Snuff films, as you probably know, have an additional component to them. I don’t know which way to kill a child is worse, though I suppose the killing a child for sexual gratification is probably worse. I can think of explanations and reasons for an abortion. I can’t think of any argument in favor of the other.
I never listen to Alan Dershowitz. This man is hung up on himself.
Isn’t it odd how there are some things that can be shown on tv, some truly grisly things, but we can never pull the curtain away from what’s going on with abortion. I do believe that many women have been misled about abortion, but you won’t see the truth on Gray’s Anatomy or any other program as long as those in charge of tv, etc. remain dishonest and don’t want to tell the truth. It would be nice if a documentary were made of women who regretted the decision to abort to show the other side of the debate — the one we’re not supposed to talk about.
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I’d hoped the good it would do would be to make both sides sit down and realize the other people actually have something valid to say.
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NJLawyer, the actress Jennifer Oneal is probably the best known Hollywood proLifer. She had an abortion early in her acting/modelling career and it put her on a devestating psychiatric downward spiral. She has a website. By becoming proLife I think she forever got herself blacklisted in Hollywood.
I recall an episode of the “Touched by An Angel” TV series. It dealt with a couple who had aborted a child early in their joint careers as radio/tv broadcasters. They werent happy with this sacrifice.
Others have noted that in TV and film-land never ever do we see abortion as the chosen way to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.
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The doctor assembles the body parts? I thought it was the woman’s body that is involved. Her body her choice, no?
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Stephen, what can both sides say that hasn’t already been said? For those of us who believe that abortion is just plain wrong, there’s not really another side. Some things don’t have two equally valid sides to them–like child abuse or slave trafficking.
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Kyle, the problem is that the stalwarts on both sides insist that nothing less than complete victory is acceptable. Pro-choicers want abortions subject to the woman’s whim; pro-lifers insist that they be avoided under any circumstances. Both sides demonize the other and engage in shrill rhetoric that only further polarizes the debate and absolutely nothing gets done. It’s not about the saying of new things, it’s about listening and talking to see what can be agreed on.
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Good words Stephen. I doubt the movie will change a single mind. Is there an American adult who doesn’t have an opinion on the issue?
Those of us on the “pro-choice” side are perfectly willing to work with the other side on reducing the need for abortions, which would be a good thing for all. Sadly, the “anti-choice” side is not interested.
One thing is for sure – this country is never going to agree on abortion. Everyone believes passionately that their side is right, and the other side is wrong.
Even if the “anti-choicers” were to get their wish and have Roe vs Wade overturned, it will not end the fighting. It will simply move to the 50 states, and the battles will continue ad infinitum. Neither side can force the other side to agree with them.
As for the movie itself, I’d like to see it before I comment on it. I’m certainly not going to take the word of a reviewer who works for an “anti-choice” organization.
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Anlir, your second paragraph is a very low blow.
Pro-choice people tend not to favor abstinence education–the one surefire way to reduce the need for abortion. They tend to promote contraception methods, which young people often don’t use even when taught and which sometimes fail and which do not all prevent STD’s even if they do prevent pregnancy.
They tend not to favor a requirement to inform pregnant teen girls what their options are, or what really goes on in the “procedure,” or that the abortion clinic does not usually have life-saving equipment should an emergency arise.
They tend not to require that the fathers take financial responsiblity for their offspring or even give them the chance to do so by informing them or requiring their consent.
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Abortion is a nasty business. Certainly it should be discouraged. Making it illegal won’t prevent any abortions but illegal abortions would cause unnecessary deaths. I’m not pro-life and I’m not pro-death. I’m pro-minding-your-own-business. Abortion is a private matter and the government should stay out of it.
Abortion is very sad, but one reason I’m not worried about it too much is because just maybe we already have enough people in the world.
Here’s some interesting facts about the populations of the Great Ape species, including the human Great Apes:
Chimpanzees: 100,000
status: Endangered
Bonobos: 10,000
status: Endangered
Gorillas: 40,000
status: Endangered
Orangutans: 15,000
status: Vulnerable
Humans: 6,627,000,000
status: rapidly growing – 2.37 humans added, including births and deaths, every single second. These Great Apes are actively trashing the oceans, destroying forests, and wiping out entire species, including our close relatives, the other Great Apes.
One reason normal people have better moral values than the creationists, is because normal people have more respect for other life besides humans, because they know all life is related.
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I believe this may be as good a place as any to get feedback on an abortion idea I had when reading the Bible many years ago- perhaps you’ve seen and considered this already but I haven’t seen a discussion of it.
My “Biblical” belief is that life does not begin at conception. I believe, as is it says directly in Leviticus and is a major theme of the Bible, that “life is in the blood”.
If life is in the blood then there is a 22 day window when a woman may choose to terminate a pregnancy without taking a human life as the fetal heart starts beating on day 23.
This Biblical “fact” would be particularly politically convenient. We could, as committed Christians, support both a women’s right to choose and have an absolute abolition on abortion after the life potential cells have been transformed into a human life.
I have never found a scripture that supports the life begins at conception argument, though clearly scripture does support that life begins in the womb and life begins before birth.
Has this idea been widely publicized yet? A few years ago it would have been a moot point, but now with day after conception pregnancy tests there is an option for a pre-human life pregnancy termination window.
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QWERTY — It’s always nice to get word about our poor cousins. Thanks.
ANLIR: “One thing is for sure – this country is never going to agree on abortion.”
Pro-lifers need to be forced to agree this is so for the time being. But how to get them to make this concession? They won’t. People universally agree about the wrongness of murder but differ sharply about the wrongness of abortion. If (or since)abortion is murder, how come many good, admirable people think it’s ethically permissible? Pro-lifers have given up any effort to persuade or reach a moral consensus. All they care about is getting 51% of the voters to outlaw it.
Here’s the deal: Pro-lifers have to be compelled to admit that their primary objective is saving the life of the fetus at all costs. If government will not assist in this cause, Christians can destroy it, because sooner or later, God will.
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A few weeks ago I was privileged to see a pre-screening of Bella, to be released nationwide later this month. It is an absolutely spectacular pro-life movie, and winner of the Toronto Film Festival receiving (secular) critical favor. The film uses powerful metaphor and a real life story to show the sanctity and value of life without the preachy, divisive stuff. The truth about abortion and life is there in bold relief. I heard Robert Novak quoted as saying it has the potential to impact the abortion debate the way Uncle Tom’s Cabin impacted slavery in the 19th century. The studio, Metanoia Films, is committed to God honoring and high quality cinema. In the run-up to the release of this movie, it seems the evangelical voice is missing in action. Go see it!
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“Those of us on the “pro-choice” side are perfectly willing to work with the other side on reducing the need for abortions, which would be a good thing for all.”
Anlir,
Why does it matter to Pro-choicers whether abortions are reduced? I understand that the motive is to reduce unwanted pregnancies, but why? Is it for convenience sake?
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Tom Kelly #10:
If life is in the blood then there is a 22 day window when a woman may choose to terminate a pregnancy without taking a human life as the fetal heart starts beating on day 23.
This Biblical “fact” would be particularly politically convenient.
We could, as committed Christians, support both a women’s right to choose and have an absolute abolition on abortion after the life potential cells have been transformed into a human life.
I have never found a scripture that supports the life begins at conception argument, though clearly scripture does support that life begins in the womb and life begins before birth.
What Tom Kelly has found is that the Bible does not support the argument for the sanctity of human life based on genetic identity and potential. But the Bible’s treatment of the fetus is far “worse” than he construes in his post.
Moses explicitly excludes the fetus from the protection of the law of personal injury and treats induced miscarriage (abortion) as a property loss subject to the payment of damages as litigated by the father before a judge. This is not such an astonishing rule for a nomadic desert tribe to adopt. A fetus unlike a born person is replaceable. The ancient Hebrews didn’t have the same moral agenda as evangelical Americans.
The problem with the heartbeat rule is that from the standpoint of essentialist philosophy, it’s arbitrary, valid only because God says so.
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