Comments on: Nooses and evangelical race consciousness

By: Mr_Meaner

Mr_Meaner — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:42:22 +0000

*Here is a Brief Summary – “One of the leading African American Catholic churches in America”. Fr. John Calicott and Fr. Robert Miller are the Pastors.
Actually, that was the Holy Angels Church in Illinois

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By: Mr_Meaner

Mr_Meaner — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:39:24 +0000

*African Methodist Episcopal Churches
I’ll bet you that I can find no fewer than ten of these churches in the town where I live.
Can someone show an example of a European Methodist Episcopal?
*First African Baptist Church- Hilton Head Island, South Carolina
Has anyone ever heard of a First Euro-Baptist Church?
*Here is a Brief Summary – “One of the leading African American Catholic churches in America”. Fr. John Calicott and Fr. Robert Miller are the Pastors.
*Here is one even better.
Name one church group that can compare to the 6 million member National Baptist Convention Inc., which is a black organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Baptist_Convention%2C_USA%2C_Inc.

The writer of this piece seems to be engaging in a practice I see all too often.
Its OK for one group to discriminate, but not others.
If I were to attempt to walk through one of these church doors to listen to the service,
I guarantee you, without a doubt, some would get up and walk out.

“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

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By: rdean

rdean — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:20:55 +0000

This is only the beginning. Since Bush put a rightwingnut in the Supreme Court and segregation has been re established, you are going to see lot’s of this kind of stuff. Remember 5 to 4. Blacks know they can’t count on Thomas to defend their interests, even though many consider him an uncle.

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By: Victoria

Victoria — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:03:26 +0000

STUBOB

Please tell me what you mean by:

Looking back over this thread, I see dissenting opinions from Frank, krm, and Victoria. Hardly the “usual suspects.”

Thanks!

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By: Victoria

Victoria — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:02:05 +0000

STUBOB

Please tell me what you mean by:

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By: mattblazer

mattblazer — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:12:38 +0000

I appreciate, STUBOB, that you remind us – whatever we would have US do – we know what we, by ourselves, need to do…

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By: StuBob

StuBob — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:01:44 +0000

Looking back over this thread, I see dissenting opinions from Frank, krm, and Victoria. Hardly the “usual suspects.”

Wiglaf is pretty new and Night Train, while prolific on this thread, is fairly new, too. No “usual suspects” there, either.

I’ve been around WMB intermittently for years, but I don’t know that I’ve ever taken such strong issue with the initial post before, and I don’t think I’ve even read anything by Bradley before. I’m not really a “usual suspect.”

But, if I were the parent of a Duke lacrosse player, I’d consider Anthony Bradley to be one of the usual suspects.

Race relations improve one relationship at a time. As a doctor whose practice is 60+% black (probably closer to 80, but we don’t keep track of such things) and one who worships in a colorblind church, I find the allegation that “not much has changed in evangelicalism since 1958″ insulting.

Anthony Bradley evidently disagrees. So, I ask again, What would you have us do?

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By: Night Train

Night Train — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:09:41 +0000

This is rich. Now Bradley’s over on his blog talking about how poor pitiful him is being “attacked” over on WOW. He links back to this article and then refers to us collectively as “the usual suspects”, whatever that means. He’s being “attacked” by “the usual suspects”? I never heard of this guy until a few weeks ago. Do a bunch of you folks who’ve commented here have a history of attacking, oops I mean disagreeing, with him on his blog?

I think this guy should probably lay off the Red Bull.

Well, the comments have been interesting. I’m attacked by the usual suspects. The American churches, on all sides, have yet to address the race issue and work through it (except for pentecostals and charismatics) and I’m not talking about the failed 70s and 80s programmatic racial reconciliation movement–which has now gone international immigrant focused in most cities and away from dealing with on-going historic American tensions. Getting people together once a week in a building for a couple of hours doesn’t really bring the kind of change many desire.

Here’s the link.

http://tinyurl.com/3b9×2o
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By: StuBob

StuBob — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:50:59 +0000

Ann Coulter’s column today covers this very topic. I like this line: “I’ll be shocked by a noose appearing on a college campus the day an actual racist does it.”

She catalogs recent campus “hate crimes,” all of which were actually perpetrated by the alleged victims.

Then, apropos this thread, she says, “The one real example of racism on a college campus in recent memory was perpetrated against white men of the Duke lacrosse team.”

Read the rest at anncoulter.net.

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By: mattblazer

mattblazer — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:35:55 +0000

NJLAWYER: thanks for bringing much needed basic clarity. I would add that churches work towards not diversity, but to reach their area well – which ought ot include diversity in many areas. And, as you implied, most churches do this.

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