Comments on: Free enterprise comes to public schools (kind of) http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:25:56 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Random Name http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229322 Random Name Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:43:16 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229322 Night Train: I don't have a prize to award this time around, but this is my new contest. Given that posting repeatedly on wmb seems to meet Einstein's definition of insanity, why are you repeatedly posting on wmb? Provide me with a "pretty good" answer, and I will give you a "pretty good" vow to mostly avoid posting repetitive stories about my personal experiences on wmb between now and my sabbatical starting in January 2008. Everyone else is also invited to participate in the contest as well, of course. Night Train:

I don’t have a prize to award this time around, but this is my new contest. Given that posting repeatedly on wmb seems to meet Einstein’s definition of insanity, why are you repeatedly posting on wmb?

Provide me with a “pretty good” answer, and I will give you a “pretty good” vow to mostly avoid posting repetitive stories about my personal experiences on wmb between now and my sabbatical starting in January 2008.

Everyone else is also invited to participate in the contest as well, of course.

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229264 Night Train Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:20:28 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229264 Wow, you sound like Nick Peters or that racist DNA guy James Watson. Wow, you sound like Nick Peters or that racist DNA guy James Watson.

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]]> By: hrw http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229259 hrw Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:08:18 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229259 Ultimately, teachers are limited by their clients genetic heritage. Ultimately, teachers are limited by their clients genetic heritage.

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]]> By: Random Name http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229238 Random Name Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:01:29 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229238 Night Train, You need to pick on qwerty. He goes ballistic when people "follow him around." I like the attention. I keep repeating the same stories to see who will keep repeating the same complaints. Never give a drug addict more of his fix. Night Train,

You need to pick on qwerty. He goes ballistic when people “follow him around.” I like the attention.

I keep repeating the same stories to see who will keep repeating the same complaints.

Never give a drug addict more of his fix.

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]]> By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229157 krm Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:34:48 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229157 llama - We seem to be at a point where we, effectively, might all just accept the fact that we are all going to be dual language proficient in this country if we wish to fully function. llama – We seem to be at a point where we, effectively, might all just accept the fact that we are all going to be dual language proficient in this country if we wish to fully function.

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229108 Night Train Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:45:51 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229108 <i>My cousin Valerie became a chiropractor like her dad. My cousin Joanna “ran away” to Taiwan to learn Chinese and became the millionaire co-owner of Graco. (I have Pulitzer prize- Macarthur award-winning uncle and a millionaire baby furniture-selling cousin. As I am utterly undistinguished personally, I have to get whatever mileage and reflected glory I can out of the two distinguished relatives I do have.)</i> We know, Random. This is like the third or fourth time you've mentioned this stuff in the past few days. What it has to do with this topic, I don't know, nor can I figure out why you keep repeating the same stories over and over. My cousin Valerie became a chiropractor like her dad. My cousin Joanna “ran away” to Taiwan to learn Chinese and became the millionaire co-owner of Graco. (I have Pulitzer prize- Macarthur award-winning uncle and a millionaire baby furniture-selling cousin. As I am utterly undistinguished personally, I have to get whatever mileage and reflected glory I can out of the two distinguished relatives I do have.)

We know, Random. This is like the third or fourth time you’ve mentioned this stuff in the past few days. What it has to do with this topic, I don’t know, nor can I figure out why you keep repeating the same stories over and over.

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]]> By: Random Name http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-229071 Random Name Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:46:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-229071 Both #2 and #3 are messages I tend to be in agreement with. I think children should be forced to work hard on farms and encouraged to run away to school as an escape from farm labor. My cousins were forced (well required) to work in the berry fields with migrant workers as pre-teens in Southern California, just so they would appreciate education as they got older. My cousin Valerie became a chiropractor like her dad. My cousin Joanna "ran away" to Taiwan to learn Chinese and became the millionaire co-owner of Graco. (I have Pulitzer prize- Macarthur award-winning uncle and a millionaire baby furniture-selling cousin. As I am utterly undistinguished personally, I have to get whatever mileage and reflected glory I can out of the two distinguished relatives I do have.) Both #2 and #3 are messages I tend to be in agreement with. I think children should be forced to work hard on farms and encouraged to run away to school as an escape from farm labor.

My cousins were forced (well required) to work in the berry fields with migrant workers as pre-teens in Southern California, just so they would appreciate education as they got older.

My cousin Valerie became a chiropractor like her dad. My cousin Joanna “ran away” to Taiwan to learn Chinese and became the millionaire co-owner of Graco. (I have Pulitzer prize- Macarthur award-winning uncle and a millionaire baby furniture-selling cousin. As I am utterly undistinguished personally, I have to get whatever mileage and reflected glory I can out of the two distinguished relatives I do have.)

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-228945 Night Train Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:05:21 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-228945 One of the big drawbacks of rewarding schools/teachers with money for improved academic performances by their students is that it creates a powerful incentive to cheat. All over the nation, schools have been caught cheating to comply with the No Child Left Behind Act. Also, this is by no stretch of the imagination an example of free enterprise, "kind of" or not. One of the big drawbacks of rewarding schools/teachers with money for improved academic performances by their students is that it creates a powerful incentive to cheat. All over the nation, schools have been caught cheating to comply with the No Child Left Behind Act.

Also, this is by no stretch of the imagination an example of free enterprise, “kind of” or not.

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]]> By: llama http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-228923 llama Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:30:24 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-228923 "The federal proposals reward individual teachers who improve their credentials and meet other guidelines." Well, my wife is mandated by law in AZ to finish a course before 2009 that teaches teachers how to teach students when English is their second language. Since she teaches special education, this is doubly hard since her students must pass the regular ed AIMS test in order to graduate from High School. So now Arizona thinks special ed kids should be able to do as well on the AIMS test as regular kids and that teachers should be able to teach illegal aliens to pass it too. in English, even if they do not speak English (the students that is) I am amazed how many kids in Special Ed can't speak English at all so I asked my wife, why the state is making her take a class to learn to teach kids when English is not their first language rather than the state forcing her to learn Spanish instead so she could teach in Spanish? It seemed a lot easier. Illegal alien kids do horrible on the AIMS test, since they do not speak English well and many do not graduate from High School as a result. They should should be allowed to take it in Spanish but we are all afraid they would fail it too since they didn't learn anything in English dominated High School. Almost 50% of the kids in my wife's district are children of illegal aliens. “The federal proposals reward individual teachers who improve their credentials and meet other guidelines.”

Well, my wife is mandated by law in AZ to finish a course before 2009 that teaches teachers how to teach students when English is their second language. Since she teaches special education, this is doubly hard since her students must pass the regular ed AIMS test in order to graduate from High School.

So now Arizona thinks special ed kids should be able to do as well on the AIMS test as regular kids and that teachers should be able to teach illegal aliens to pass it too. in English, even if they do not speak English (the students that is)

I am amazed how many kids in Special Ed can’t speak English at all so I asked my wife, why the state is making her take a class to learn to teach kids when English is not their first language rather than the state forcing her to learn Spanish instead so she could teach in Spanish? It seemed a lot easier.

Illegal alien kids do horrible on the AIMS test, since they do not speak English well and many do not graduate from High School as a result. They should should be allowed to take it in Spanish but we are all afraid they would fail it too since they didn’t learn anything in English dominated High School.

Almost 50% of the kids in my wife’s district are children of illegal aliens.

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]]> By: Random Name http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/comment-page-1/#comment-228882 Random Name Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:05:47 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/free-enterprise-comes-to-public-schools-kind-of/#comment-228882 As a person who was a public school teacher for a while, I regard education as a difficult and complex area, much given to fads and superficial "cures," some from the left and some from the right. This is an example of nonsense that particularly appeals to the right. As a person who was a public school teacher for a while, I regard education as a difficult and complex area, much given to fads and superficial “cures,” some from the left and some from the right.

This is an example of nonsense that particularly appeals to the right.

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