Comments on: When people look at us, do they see Christ? http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:27:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: qwerty http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229796 qwerty Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:24:11 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229796 <i>When people look at us, do they see Christ?</i> When I see Christians showing off how holy they are, they look to me like they have been taking some illegal drugs. They look spaced out and crazy. I don't see Christ. What I see is people who seem to have a disease. Random Name, your comments in #5 were the most interesting I have seen from you. You said: <i>I was rather surprised by how deeply evangelical Christians cling to the idea that the Bible is inerrant, and how deeply they abhor and fear the theory of evolution.</i> When I found this strange but interesting blog, I also was surprised by how anti-science everyone was, and even more surprised they actually believed the Bible stories I never imagined a sane person would take seriously. What I have learned is many or most Christians think evolution is the biggest possible threat to their religion. It's very interesting they think the survival of Christianity completely depends on evolution being false. To me this is wonderful news. It means Christianity, which I am convinced is a terrible curse on America, that has caused massive bigotry, ignorance, and immorality, depends entirely on the denial of a proven beyond any doubt fact. This insistence of Christians that evolution must be fought constantly, the teaching of it suppressed, lies spread about it constantly, is excellent evidence Christianity is in big trouble. The denial of this proven fact has become a big business in America. For example the Discovery Institute and AnswersInGenesis exist only to spread lies about evolution. These liars for Jesus might think they are helping their religion, but lies can't be believed forever. I am convinced evolution is what will eventually kill Christianity. If only I could live long enough to see it completely wiped out. When people look at us, do they see Christ?

When I see Christians showing off how holy they are, they look to me like they have been taking some illegal drugs. They look spaced out and crazy. I don’t see Christ. What I see is people who seem to have a disease.

Random Name, your comments in #5 were the most interesting I have seen from you.

You said: I was rather surprised by how deeply evangelical Christians cling to the idea that the Bible is inerrant, and how deeply they abhor and fear the theory of evolution.

When I found this strange but interesting blog, I also was surprised by how anti-science everyone was, and even more surprised they actually believed the Bible stories I never imagined a sane person would take seriously.

What I have learned is many or most Christians think evolution is the biggest possible threat to their religion. It’s very interesting they think the survival of Christianity completely depends on evolution being false.

To me this is wonderful news. It means Christianity, which I am convinced is a terrible curse on America, that has caused massive bigotry, ignorance, and immorality, depends entirely on the denial of a proven beyond any doubt fact. This insistence of Christians that evolution must be fought constantly, the teaching of it suppressed, lies spread about it constantly, is excellent evidence Christianity is in big trouble. The denial of this proven fact has become a big business in America. For example the Discovery Institute and AnswersInGenesis exist only to spread lies about evolution. These liars for Jesus might think they are helping their religion, but lies can’t be believed forever.

I am convinced evolution is what will eventually kill Christianity. If only I could live long enough to see it completely wiped out.

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]]> By: Mr_Meaner http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229778 Mr_Meaner Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:20:11 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229778 Speaking of tribes, I noticed a little tiff earlier on the thread. Not that it makes any difference on anything other than interpreting scripture, But I think the word gentile is probably the most horribly misused word in the Bible. You can't possibly understand some passages in the OT, by taking it to mean non-Israeli. I honestly do not understand why the word is ever used in the OT. It is alomost always translated, rightly, nations. You can't get to any other meaning with the word goy. A couple of examples: In Gen 17:4, God said this to Abraham, "behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father on many nations.(<i>goy</i>). In Gen 25:23 this was what the LORD said to Rebekah about Jacob and Esau; "...Two nations (<i>goy</i>) are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thee.." So here is a clear example where Israel, the patriarch is called a "goy" . Gentile, therfore cannot mean non-Israeli. It just means nation(s). Makes no difference, other than interpretation, but that is a pretty big difference when reading passages like; "..and thy seed shall inherit the gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited".Is Ch 54. Speaking of tribes, I noticed a little tiff earlier on the thread. Not that it makes any difference on anything other than interpreting scripture, But I think the word gentile is probably the most horribly misused word in the Bible. You can’t possibly understand some passages in the OT, by taking it to mean non-Israeli. I honestly do not understand why the word is ever used in the OT.
It is alomost always translated, rightly, nations. You can’t get to any other meaning with the word goy. A couple of examples:
In Gen 17:4, God said this to Abraham,
“behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father on many nations.(goy).
In Gen 25:23 this was what the LORD said to Rebekah about Jacob and Esau;
“…Two nations (goy) are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thee..”
So here is a clear example where Israel, the patriarch is called a “goy” .
Gentile, therfore cannot mean non-Israeli. It just means nation(s).
Makes no difference, other than interpretation, but that is a pretty big difference when reading passages like;
“..and thy seed shall inherit the gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited”.Is Ch 54.

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229777 rdean Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:13:13 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229777 Religion is a threat to the definition of science. That is a fact. Not a single hetro marriage can say how a validated loving relationship between two other people can affect their marriage in any way whatsoever. Much ado about nothing at all. Religion is a threat to the definition of science. That is a fact.

Not a single hetro marriage can say how a validated loving relationship between two other people can affect their marriage in any way whatsoever. Much ado about nothing at all.

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]]> By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229641 Spinoza Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:08:16 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229641 <i>"homosexuality ... is ... no threat to actual marriage, ... but it is a threat to the definition of marriage.</i> Didn't know you were so keen on lexical purity! Never heard of "multiple" definitions? You and yer tribe are free to keep yer own unaltered and far away from me. “homosexuality … is … no threat to actual marriage, … but it is a threat to the definition of marriage.

Didn’t know you were so keen on lexical purity! Never heard of “multiple” definitions? You and yer tribe are free to keep yer own unaltered and far away from me.

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229574 rdean Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:24:46 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229574 #57: Christians are wrong to treat homosexuality differently than any other sexual sin. Being gay is not a sin. You people constantly try to force your Bronze Age religion on innocent Americans. When you judge, you get judged. The problem is you assume you are right. And let me say it again, "It only starts with evolution, then follows the slippery slope to astronomy, biology, paleontology, geology and other sciences. To threaten the scientific foundation of this country is immoral." You can't pick and choose science. When you start denying entire areas of science for purely occult and mystical reasons, you are heading down the slipperly slope right back into the Bronze Age. For hundreds of years after the Bible was written, people believed that disease was caused by God or demons. Do we want to return to those dark days? #57: Christians are wrong to treat homosexuality differently than any other sexual sin.

Being gay is not a sin. You people constantly try to force your Bronze Age religion on innocent Americans. When you judge, you get judged. The problem is you assume you are right.

And let me say it again, “It only starts with evolution, then follows the slippery slope to astronomy, biology, paleontology, geology and other sciences. To threaten the scientific foundation of this country is immoral.”

You can’t pick and choose science. When you start denying entire areas of science for purely occult and mystical reasons, you are heading down the slipperly slope right back into the Bronze Age. For hundreds of years after the Bible was written, people believed that disease was caused by God or demons. Do we want to return to those dark days?

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]]> By: Xion http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229545 Xion Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:13:08 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229545 #55 <i>It was the Christians who tried to destroy the institution of science.</i> Huh? You know that is false, yet you persist. This is what I was talking about back in #40. Let's set agendas aside and speak honestly for a change. Christians are wrong to treat homosexuality differently than any other sexual sin. It is no threat to actual marriage, since that is instituted by God between a man and woman, but it is a threat to the definition of marriage. #55 It was the Christians who tried to destroy the institution of science.

Huh? You know that is false, yet you persist. This is what I was talking about back in #40. Let’s set agendas aside and speak honestly for a change.

Christians are wrong to treat homosexuality differently than any other sexual sin. It is no threat to actual marriage, since that is instituted by God between a man and woman, but it is a threat to the definition of marriage.

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]]> By: Travis Birkenstock http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229465 Travis Birkenstock Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:09:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229465 Hmm, I don't see Christ here. I see the Church Lady. And Mel Gibson. :-) Hmm, I don’t see Christ here. I see the Church Lady. And Mel Gibson.

:-)

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229451 rdean Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:33:37 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229451 #51: “What motivates people to spend countless hours seeking out and attacking people whose beliefs differ from their own?” This is a great question to ask the Christians. Especially concerning evolution and gay rights. It was the Christians who tried to destroy the institution of science. It only starts with evolution, then follows the slippery slope to astronomy, biology, paleontology, geology and other sciences. To threaten the scientific foundation of this country is immoral. Second are the gays. Except for outed church leaders and disowned children, most Christians don’t even know any gays. To say gays threaten their marriage, but not how is bearing false witness. If you are going to discriminate, at least make logical sense. Remember, when you are pointing one finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you. #51: “What motivates people to spend countless hours seeking out and attacking people whose beliefs differ from their own?”

This is a great question to ask the Christians. Especially concerning evolution and gay rights. It was the Christians who tried to destroy the institution of science. It only starts with evolution, then follows the slippery slope to astronomy, biology, paleontology, geology and other sciences. To threaten the scientific foundation of this country is immoral.

Second are the gays. Except for outed church leaders and disowned children, most Christians don’t even know any gays. To say gays threaten their marriage, but not how is bearing false witness. If you are going to discriminate, at least make logical sense.

Remember, when you are pointing one finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you.

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]]> By: Bob Buckles http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229440 Bob Buckles Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:55:07 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229440 As to the reaction of Christians to evolution and homosexuality, I have been amused at the many threads here on WMB that are taken over by the "true believers" in evolution and homosexuality. My answer. If you poke me with a stick (evolution or homosexuality) I will flinch. Now that I am back in high school playing FLINCH! I remember the rules. No more reaction to getting socked in the shoulder! (Is this sexist? A boy's game?) As to the reaction of Christians to evolution and homosexuality, I have been amused at the many threads here on WMB that are taken over by the “true believers” in evolution and homosexuality.

My answer. If you poke me with a stick (evolution or homosexuality) I will flinch. Now that I am back in high school playing FLINCH! I remember the rules. No more reaction to getting socked in the shoulder! (Is this sexist? A boy’s game?)

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]]> By: Bob Buckles http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/comment-page-2/#comment-229435 Bob Buckles Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:42:55 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/22/when-people-look-at-us-do-they-see-christ/#comment-229435 #42 XION "Most regulars here stop responding to people like qwerty or donato who seem to ignore most of the points made and simply jump back on their favorite bandwagon." I don't know what to say to Victoria. If I knew her personally I would just stay away from her. I have thought and tried to figure out a way to tell her that she is not showing a good testimony but I can't figure out how. I am sure she has been told but "in one ear and out the other." Since I can't say anything nice, I have decided not to say anything at all. Other than that, I got nothin' either. #42 XION

“Most regulars here stop responding to people like qwerty or donato who seem to ignore most of the points made and simply jump back on their favorite bandwagon.”

I don’t know what to say to Victoria. If I knew her personally I would just stay away from her. I have thought and tried to figure out a way to tell her that she is not showing a good testimony but I can’t figure out how. I am sure she has been told but “in one ear and out the other.” Since I can’t say anything nice, I have decided not to say anything at all.

Other than that, I got nothin’ either.

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