Comments on: Abortion: Always with us? http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:59:51 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Random Name http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229848 Random Name Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:40:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229848 On my optimistic days, I think we are headed for a "Mad Max" collapse of civilization. On my gloomy days, I predict the end of human civilization by 2099. Night Train chastises me for repeating myself. Now that he is repeating me, I don't have to do it as much. On my optimistic days, I think we are headed for a “Mad Max” collapse of civilization. On my gloomy days, I predict the end of human civilization by 2099.

Night Train chastises me for repeating myself. Now that he is repeating me, I don’t have to do it as much.

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]]> By: Xion http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229748 Xion Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:24:22 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229748 So is abortion primarily an economic issue according to Ginsburg? Should we allow access to crack too if the rich are unfairly able to obtain it? What kind of socialistic thinking is this? So is abortion primarily an economic issue according to Ginsburg? Should we allow access to crack too if the rich are unfairly able to obtain it? What kind of socialistic thinking is this?

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229637 Night Train Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:06:17 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229637 Thanks, Frank. Again, that's what I used to believe. I remember when I first discovered PM by reading Marcellus Kik's book. I think it was called Eschatology of Victory. Read all the PM books I could get my hands on, and was in love with David Chilton's work. But it's wrong. All of it. Largely because it's based on a myth, the idea that biblical prophecies have any predictive value. They don't. Thanks, Frank. Again, that’s what I used to believe. I remember when I first discovered PM by reading Marcellus Kik’s book. I think it was called Eschatology of Victory. Read all the PM books I could get my hands on, and was in love with David Chilton’s work.

But it’s wrong. All of it. Largely because it’s based on a myth, the idea that biblical prophecies have any predictive value. They don’t.

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]]> By: Anlir http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229520 Anlir Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:29:55 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229520 Frank, you're dreaming if you think <i>either</i> side is going to capitulate. It's a fundamental disagreement that people at both ends are never going to agree on. But I think the vast majority of Americans are somewhere in the middle. They don't like it, but they don't want it outlawed. Frank, you’re dreaming if you think either side is going to capitulate. It’s a fundamental disagreement that people at both ends are never going to agree on. But I think the vast majority of Americans are somewhere in the middle. They don’t like it, but they don’t want it outlawed.

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]]> By: Frank in Phoenix http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229514 Frank in Phoenix Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:17:15 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229514 <b>Night Train,</b> Gotta love the internets! I did some Googlin' for the Doug Wilson remark I cited at (6), and stumbled across this interesting discussion, "Are we the early church?" at: http://p207.ezboard.com/Are-we-the-early-church/fenjoyinggodnetworkfrm1.showMessage?topicID=127.topic Some food for thought there ... Night Train,

Gotta love the internets!

I did some Googlin’ for the Doug Wilson remark I cited at (6), and stumbled across this interesting discussion, “Are we the early church?” at:

http://p207.ezboard.com/Are-we-the-early-church/fenjoyinggodnetworkfrm1.showMessage?topicID=127.topic

Some food for thought there …

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]]> By: Frank in Phoenix http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229512 Frank in Phoenix Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:14:35 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229512 Kristin: Makes sense to me. (Don't know why I didn't think of that ...) Kristin: Makes sense to me. (Don’t know why I didn’t think of that …)

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]]> By: Kristin Chapman http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229502 Kristin Chapman Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:02:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229502 Frank in Phoenix: The powers that be have conferred to weigh your suggestion about a tangent thread. Since that was the purpose behind "Whirled Views," we aren't going to create a new daily feature, but you can feel free to direct any thread tangents to the "Whirled Views" thread of the day. Frank in Phoenix: The powers that be have conferred to weigh your suggestion about a tangent thread. Since that was the purpose behind “Whirled Views,” we aren’t going to create a new daily feature, but you can feel free to direct any thread tangents to the “Whirled Views” thread of the day.

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]]> By: Frank in Phoenix http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229492 Frank in Phoenix Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:48:43 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229492 <b>Anlir (9):</b> ... most Americans are just plain tired of the fighting and wish people would just let it drop. <b>Frank:</b> Then the people on the <i>wrong</i> side of this issue should stop fighting uw who are on the <i>right</i> side. ;-) But seriously, it's as I've said for decades: The law won't change until there's been a broad-based heart change of Americans. Anlir (9): … most Americans are just plain tired of the fighting and wish people would just let it drop.

Frank: Then the people on the wrong side of this issue should stop fighting uw who are on the right side.

;-)

But seriously, it’s as I’ve said for decades: The law won’t change until there’s been a broad-based heart change of Americans.

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]]> By: Anlir http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229479 Anlir Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:26:34 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229479 I don't think it will ever be outlawed again. The main reason I say that is because most people have learned to live with it and moved on. They may not like it, but they aren't enthused about making it illegal. The idea of turning doctors and women into criminals just isn't going to fly anymore. Even if the Supreme Court were to overturn Roe v Wade, it would just result in a 50 state battle, where it would be legal in some states and not legal in others. Those fights could go on for decades. Even if you were to somehow outlaw it in all 50 states, you've still got Canada and Mexico, who will take up the slack. I predict you would see clinics sprout up just over both borders. You will always have your radicals, but most Americans are just plain tired of the fighting and wish people would just let it drop. I don’t think it will ever be outlawed again. The main reason I say that is because most people have learned to live with it and moved on. They may not like it, but they aren’t enthused about making it illegal. The idea of turning doctors and women into criminals just isn’t going to fly anymore.

Even if the Supreme Court were to overturn Roe v Wade, it would just result in a 50 state battle, where it would be legal in some states and not legal in others. Those fights could go on for decades. Even if you were to somehow outlaw it in all 50 states, you’ve still got Canada and Mexico, who will take up the slack. I predict you would see clinics sprout up just over both borders.

You will always have your radicals, but most Americans are just plain tired of the fighting and wish people would just let it drop.

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]]> By: Luke http://online.worldmag.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-229449 Luke Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:27:29 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/23/abortion-always-with-us/#comment-229449 <i>"There’s no reason for optimism. If anything, we’re headed for a new dark ages."</i> Amen! “There’s no reason for optimism. If anything, we’re headed for a new dark ages.”

Amen!

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