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Welcoming Patrick
Hey y’all, there’s a new WMB blogger in town. Please take a moment to welcome Patrick Poole.
Patrick is a freelance writer and political analyst, and also executive director of Central Ohioans Against Terrorism. And with good reason: It was Patrick who uncovered ties between jihadist groups and prominent Ohio political activists. He now devotes most of his time to analyzing the Islamic worldview and Islamist/jihadist ideology.
Patrick is a regular contributor to Pajamas Media, FrontPage Magazine, and The American Thinker. Please take a moment to welcome him to WMB!
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Welcome to the team Patrick!
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Patrick,
Welcome to the blog! Hope to hear a lot more from you. Thanks for your reporting on the local situation.
How well do you get along with your Muslim neighbors these days? Is there such a thing as a “peaceful” Muslim? Or does the evidence point the other way?
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Welcome! What a boon to WMB!
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Thanks Lynn and Kristin. And I would add that last week I was blamed for running off the new imam for Ohio’s largest mosque in Cleveland. CBN News also featured a segment our anti-jihad work in Columbus just a few weeks ago.
MIM, I have thankfully been well received by most of the Muslim community here who are tired of being represented by the extremists associated with CAIR. Last night I had a lengthy conversation with one of the leaders of our Somali community (a good friend of mine), who was passing me new info on some of our local jihadists. Few realize that Columbus was the home of the largest known active Al-Qaeda cell discovered since 9/11, which gives you an indication of how bad the problem is here. Sadly, the vocal extremist minority are very closely tied to the Democratic Party machinery in Ohio, leaving the rest of the Muslim community without a voice.
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Interesting that in the article you linked to, they put the imam in the best possible light, and imply that the (un-named) bloggers not only “attacked” him, but are racist bigots.
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Welcome Patrick.
I look forward to your thoughtful contributions.
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As do I. Welcome.
RonD
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Me, too.
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Welcome!
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Welcome, Patrick. May God bless you in your work.
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Patrick,
I’m a guest here myself, so I feel a bit strange welcoming a member of my host’s family.
I’ll also admit right up front — well, okay, second from the front — to having a certain … suspicion about you. Not because of anything you’ve written (I still need to familiarize myself with your writings), but rather because of your association with the Family Security Matters.
As you probably know, in August FSM published — then quickly scrubbed off the Internets — “Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy” by Philip Atkinson, which advocated President Bush follow Julius Caesar’s example, by:
- emptying Iraq of all Arabs
- repopulating it with Americans (I wanna see the list of incentives they offer for that project), and
- declare himself President-for-Life.
They also evidently scrubbed their site (and Google’s cache) of all articles by — and any association with — Mr. Atkinson. No retractions, no apologies, no “Gee, we’re super embarrased! This is how this happened, and we can assure you, it’ll never happen again.” Just gone down the memory hole. (Thankfully, the Internets never forget.)
As you’ve probably guessed by now, the Atkinson “story? What story?” is precisely how FSM came to my attention, and it left a terrible taste in my mouth re. that organization/website/think tank.
Would you care to offer some thoughts about the incident in particular — and about FSM in general — something that might convince me to check them out further and give them a second chance in my Credibility Stakes?
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(I feel like I just broke wind in church …)
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Welcome aboard. This should be interesting.
Let’s just say, however, that you will receive a skeptical welcome from some quarters here. Identifying actual jihadists is one thing (and best left to the government, methinks), but fomenting conflict between Christianity and Islam as a general matter is another. Let’s hope your efforts are not aligned with the latter.
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Bravo, Frank!
Well, Patrick? The question has been put.
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Welcome, Patrick
Any one who contributes to FrontPageMag, and The American Thinker (two of my faves) is alright by me.
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DCLawyer – Yes, formenting conflict between Islam and Christianity (or any other set of “infdels”) is best left as an entirely one-sided thing until Islam manages to execute or dhimmify all of the infidels.
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Frank I am insulted and hurt that you did not give credit to me (that you didn’t see it does not excuse you from my wrath) for posting on wmb the unfounded rumor that George Bush would invade Iran, declare martial law, and cancel elections.
Most people will tell you not to believe everything you read. Who else but I will tell you not to believe everything you write?
Patrick, are you sure you want to be here?
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Central Ohioans Against Terrorism (COAT).
Seems kinda provincial. Why did the Eastern and Northern Ohioans not join? I’m suspicious. Hmm, what’s going on in Sandusky anyway? Someone better check the welds on those rides at Cedar Point.
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Hi Patrick.
I’ve seen your name here on the blog before, though I can’t say I remember the context. (Though a quick search shows me a couple posts Lynn made with “HT: Patrick Poole” as well as some others where I guess she’s linking to what you blogged elsewhere.)
I’ll be interested in reading your posts here. Any suggestions for good background reading on Islam worldview and theology that’s not too hard to get through? (I’m an avid reader, but with a full schedule, I’m less likely to finish a book that reminds me too much of a college textbook.) Preferably something that at least attempts to be objective…
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As a native Greater-Clevelander, I’m embarrassed to say that Travis beat me to the point.
(Just out of curiosity, Patrick, precisely how many enrolled members does COAT claim?)
Ahh, yes, Cedar Point. Dad’s Pipefitter’s Union picnics were held there every summer! The Blue Streak … Jungle Larry … Salt Water Taffy … the beaches of Lake Erie … (Well, 2 outta 3 ain’t bad …)
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FrontPageMag? “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week” FrontPageMag? The same FPM that published a still from a European indie film depicting a Middle Eastern teenage girl being buried up to her shoulders in preparation for stoning — but failed to mention it was a still from a film, and let (or led?) its readers think it was the real thing — and then pulled the photo from the announcement, again with no explanation whatsoever?
That FrontPageMag?
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Frank,
I guess I missed what exactly I’m supposed to answer for concerning my articles for FSM? Am I to be held accountable for every single article ever written at FSM, FrontPage, American Thinker, Pajamas Media, and now WORLD, as well as the hundreds of authors for those publications? Following that twisted logic, there’s hardly a publication I could ever write for, and plenty of people who wouldn’t otherwise want to be associated with me (no doubt, even some folks from WORLD).
I never heard of Atkinson before you mentioned him. You seem to be the resident expert on him, but I would only note that a quick Google search finds FSM removed the article and issued an apology when they were made aware of its content. Their explanation is certainly believable. What more do you expect the FSM editors to do?
So again, what exactly are you expecting me to answer for? Plenty of high-profile, well-respected contributors continue to write for them. Are they all under your cloud of suspicion as well? The questions are back to you.
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Patrick,
Welcome aboard!
I looked at your personal blog and I see that we don’t live too far apart.
O-H!
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Frank
maybe you missed my comment on the thread that you mentioned. I posted this after reading some of the Horowitz bashing going on.
This information was put out by the same people who run FrontPageMag. Here is part of what I quoted, and commented on.
This is about a group calld Islamic Society of North America.
There is 30,000 wahhabists gathering here, annually, because of an Islamo-fascist group based in little Plainfield, Indiana. Who would even know this, if not for Horowitz?
A little something about this partcular group from Horowitz’s site.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6178
“Through its affiliate, the North American Islamic Trust — a Saudi government-backed organization created to fund Islamist enterprises in North America — the ISNA reportedly holds the mortgages on 50 to 80 percent of all mosques in the U.S. and Canada. Thus the organization can freely exercise ultimate authority over these houses of worship and their teachings.
Kaukab Siddique, the editor of New Trend, an Islamic periodical of extremist views that is nonetheless opposed to Wahhabi domination of American Islam: “ISNA controls most mosques in America and thus also controls who will speak at every Friday prayer, and which literature will be distributed there.”
Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz describes ISNA as “one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States.”
According to Sufi leader Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani’s testimony before a State Department Open Forum on January 7, 1999, extremists have taken over “more than 80 percent of the mosques in the United States … ”
Want to see how many Islamic radical groups are in your area?
Here is a list.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewGroups.asp?catid=8
If you want to fault his zeal for this cause, you can trace that tenacity to his early days of targeting capitalists as the enemies of the world.
Of course, back then he was a media darling. Appearances on GMA, and NBCs Today, were a regular thing for Horowitz, back when he was fighting conservatives.
As soon as he had his “road to Damascus” moment, he was dropped by the media, and declared an extremist. As he is to this day.
I guess I could have left that commentary out, but oh well
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Hey Lynn, doesn’t Patrick get his own avatar and a little writeup under “meet the writers”?
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Like DC Lawyer (#13), I too welcome Patrick with a little skepticism.
As I posted on another blog today, it is incumbent upon all of us to guard our language and do what we can to increase tolerance and understanding of both Muslims and Christians. Using pejorative language does not help things.
We will be watching carefully to make sure that Muslims and the Islamic faith are not unfairly characterized or “demonized”.
Frank’s info causes me some concern. But I will withhold judgment until I see what Patrick writes on here.
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Scott,
I-O! Thanks!
Frank, I’m surprised that you link to Doug Wilson’s website. I’ll admit right up front — well, okay, second from the front — to having a certain … suspicion about you. Not because of anything you’ve written (I still need to familiarize myself with your writings), but rather because of your unapologetic association with Doug Wilson’s pro-slavery sentiments (just applying your own standards, Frank!).
And just for clarification, from my recollection it wasn’t FPM that posted the picture you cite, but the Terrorism Awareness Project.
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Patrick Poole
What is your Church affilation?
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Frank,
I just had a post eaten.
Instead of recreating the pain-staking effort it took to do all of that copy & pasting, with commentary, let me just direct you to my last comment on the islamo-whatever week thread on the world link.
FrontPage Mag, discover the networks and all of the Horowitz/and associates sites are doing a valuable service.
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Welcome aboard Patrick. You’ve probably noticed that most of us are good guys. We argue back & forth, but we care about and pray for each other when the need arises.
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Seems like there’s a lotta sniffing going on in this dog park.
Quick! Somebody toss a bone.
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Good one Travis!
All of us (including myself) should strive not to pre-judge a person. It’s really difficult when passions run so high on all sides. We all carry our own biases and prejudices.
So, I’m electing (for now) to not read anything Patrick has written before, nor to visit any of the websites he’s written for. I will let what he writes on here stand (or fall) on the merits.
I just praised the editors/writers of WorldMag this week for being better and more civil over the last year. I really, really don’t want to have to eat those words.
So, everybody back to your corner. When the bell rings, come out and shake hands with your opponent. NO hitting below the belt. NO biting. NO sucker-punches.
…ding!
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Patrick, welcome aboard. I admire you for the courage to carefully identify and publicize radical Muslims in Ohio who have pretended to be moderates. I hope you won’t pull any punches on this blog and be unduly influenced by the some of the people on this blog who lack the ability to distinguish between cleverly radical and truly moderate Muslims. This whole issue is of supreme importance; I’m delighted that World has signed you on.
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Solon
Solon, most people are asking questions, that shouldn’t be a problem for Patrick or anyone else.
I respect much of what you have to say, but the comment you make……..
I don’t know who you are referring to in your post, but its very presumptuous and overconfident on your part, to think that that some “lack the ability to distinguish between cleverly radical and truly moderate Muslims.”
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(sniff, sniff)
OK, you have my approval. Welcome to This Little Dog Park.
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Welcome Patrick!
Thank you for your work to uncovered ties between jihadist groups and prominent Ohio political activists. Also, thank you for not using kid gloves with CAIR.
My big question is the same as Anlir’s big question. What is the proper dialog to have about Islam? I realize the dialog may be different depending on the audience.
Anlir says to “guard our language and do what we can to increase tolerance and understanding of both Muslims and Christians. Using pejorative language does not help things.”
I would agree with those words, but it means something different to both of us. One man’s frank discussion is another man’s pejorative language. I believe Anlir’s position comes from a mother’s proverb, “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all”. But how can one increase understanding by never talking about the real problem? Can one deal with addiction and other evil by only saying nice things about it?
I respect Brother Andrew for ministering to Hamas. He is my hero. But if asked to discuss the ideology of Hamas, would anything but truth be acceptable? If Muhammad was a terrorist and Islam is his ideology, then just what exactly is the proper dialog?
Most news agencies in this country have a policy against saying anything bad about someone’s beliefs. But doesn’t all evil begin with belief? What better way for evil to spread then to censor all discussion that might be considered negative.
How does one have a dialog about evil if you can never say anything bad about it?
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I really, really don’t want to have to eat those words.
Do you prefer mustard or ketchup?
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Anlir writes: “We will be watching carefully to make sure that Muslims and the Islamic faith are not unfairly characterized or “demonized”.”
Gosh, I hope we will no longer be reading comments that unfairly characterize or demonize Christianity as well.
That would be a first.
Welcome, Patrick. Unlike DCL, I applaud your willingness and courage to identify jihadists in our midst. (DCL likes to leave everything to the government.)
Kudos to World for opening up this dialog.
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If one truly wishes to dialog with one’s opponents, using pejorative language destroys any hope of that. Calling Islam “evil” completely eliminates all hope of dialog. It’s uncivil.
As I said in another thread, I often find that when people say they only want to expose “the truth” about a matter, it’s merely a cover for their prejudice.
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#39 I am not talking about how to speak to Muslims. Obviously we should be civil. I am trying to get through to YOU. How can you and I and the rest of us here talk about evil frankly without resorting to platitudes and moral equivalence?
You are avoiding the question by simply repeating the kindergarten teacher’s mantra “Everybody play nice!”. Have you got some nice things to say about an assassin who robbed camel trains for a living and oversaw the beheading of 600 Jews? Can you at least admit that there is something sinister about Muhammad’s ideology apart from its adherents?
I am not being flippant here. I am really trying to get a real answer about a real issue. How does one talk about a terrorist’s handbook in a nice way? Can you give me an example of how such a discussion might go that would be acceptable to you?
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Regretfully, Xion is using pejorative language against Muslims/Islam.
It’s wrong. That’s all I have to say.
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Is there some reason why Xion shouldn’t use uncomplimentary language when making a statement about a subject he feels very strongly about, and many Americans feel exactly the same way?
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The provincial nature of the term Central Ohioans Against Terrorism is reminscent of the block captain mentality where Communists were under the beds every where.
I read the article merely out of curiousity. And as the name dropping continued I thought I was reading an old magazine column called “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” or an old favourite when Dutch Reformed immigrants get together “Dutch Bingo”. In either game its not hard to link someone in a three or four person chain to someone criminal. Something you can appreciate when working for a magazine leads to the implication that you are responsible for their errors of judgement.
As for the support of the ICU, one can excuse many Somanlians for relying on religious authoratarianism after years of warlordism. With the north virtually independent, the southern portion is a mess of tribal anarchy and border conflicts which the transitional government had no control. Support of the ICU does not necessarily imply support for al-queada.
Secondly advocating assimilating into American society for the purpose of conversion is no more insidious than missionaries goring native to increase their conversions to Christianity.
The above is not to deny the existence of political opinions more radical than your own but to point out that they exist within a different framework and may have nothing to do with your main concerns.
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#41 Sorry Anlir. But I am curious about which part of my language was pejorative. I’m trying to learn. Teach me!
Was Muhammad an assassin? If so, are we allowed to discuss it in polite company?
Did Muhammad rob camel trains for a living? If so, is there a nice way of putting that? If I said “Muhammad was in the transportation business” would that get the same point across?
Did Muhammad command the beheading of 600 Jews? If so, please give me a nice way to say that.
I’ve noticed that you go out of your way to use unbridled pejorative language against Christianity . In those cases, I tried to civilly correct your misunderstanding. If I have a misunderstanding of Islam, then please correct me.
Until you tell me exactly what you mean what hope is there for me to find acceptable language to communicate about the evils of this world? I’m reaching out here. Little help?
How does one have a dialog about evil if you can never say anything bad about it?
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Victoria, the leftist goo goos on this blog have their head in the sand on the issue of radical Islamic Jihadis. That was the reason behind my remark that some on this blog can’t distinguish between clever jihadists and real Muslim moderates.
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I’m puzzled too, Anlir. Usually you strike me as a pretty smart fellow. I don’t think Xion said, “All Muslims are bad.” He did say there’s a lot of evil in its origins (and by implication in the religion and in its practice today), and you haven’t disputed that. So what’s the problem, other than that it isn’t “nice.” Is it true? If not, show why not. If so, why is it a problem to state it?
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between cleverly radical and truly moderate Muslims.
In Solon’s world none of his adversaries are moderate. If they make this claim, a little waterboarding is in order to prove Solon correct.
Cheryl Xion’s error is the claim to the evil origins of Islam. Unless plagerism has become an evil as oppose to simple laziness, Islam’s not evil but merely an other offshoot of the monotheism.
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But HRW #47, since all cults are offshoots of some other religion, isn’t it lazy to assume they are all alike? The Book of Mormon isn’t at all like the Bible. How lazy would a scholar be to equate the two?
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Although some would like to think all religions are a similar expression of man’s spiritual quest, I think its safe to assume that the monotheistic religions differ significantly from the Eastern religions and animists differ from both. Thus, the monotheists can seen as one group and yes this includes the Mormons.
Previous to the rise of Islam, Christianity was the dominant religion of the Fertile Crescent although not for lack of competition. As the dominant religion, they exerted an influence of a newer religion emerging from an animist backward desert land. In fact, the idea of cultural inferiority of the Arab played a huge role in the developemnt of Islam as it sought to pose a response to the “civilized” Middle East. Never underestimate the power of low self-esteem.
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HRW #49 So then … because the world’s religions are significantly different, the ones that aren’t so different are basically the same. The Bible, the Book of Mormon and the Koran are practically indistinguishable. Right! Got it! Good thing we aren’t being lazy or anything.
If the Koran is an extension of the Bible, then why does it get basic stories wrong? The Koran calls Mary (Jesus’ mother) the sister of Aaron (3:31), Haman Pharaoh’s minister (28:38), and confuses Gideon and Saul (2:250) to mention only a few.
BTW I agree with your cultural inferiority statement. I think that plays a huge role in modern Islamic culture. I think that is what is behind the severity of the penalty of criticizing or leaving Islam. “If you say Muhammad isn’t the greatest then we must kill you! Peace be upon him!”
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Welcome, Patrick.
re. your counter example in #26 (linking to Doug Wilson):
There’s a difference between citing a man with some bad ideas and writing for a group with some bad ideas. I might quote H. G. Wells, and that doesn’t make me a socialist. But if I write for the Fabian society, well…
…that still doesn’t necessarily make me a socialist, but it certainly raises some strong suspicions. Each man ought to be judged on the merits of his own ideas, not his associates, but I don’t think Frank is wrong to cautiously wonder (he would be wrong to definitively conclude, but not to cautiously wonder).
I do find it ironic, though, that you take exception to being judged by the organizations you’ve worked for, when that is exactly the kind of “anti-jihadist” work you do in Central Ohio. I remember reading (linked from WMB I believe) of your “outing” a school board member as a supposed Muslim extremist. My recollection is that she had done nothing wrong, but you were judging her purely on her associations with extremists.
So which is it, Patrick? Are we to be judged on our own ideas or on our associations?
For that matter, I am still curious about your own ideas. Do you think there are any conditions under which President Bush ought to suspend elections and continue his presidency? War with Iran? If we’re attacked shortly prior to the elections? If all of the eligible candidates have indicated their unwillingness to continue the “War on Terror” which you probably believe is essential to our survival as a nation?
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OMG
I’ve been seeing this “allegation” thrown around by some of our libs. I assumed they were was just joking around. (Random Name)
Do you people seriously think that any situation will arise that will cause (or allow) Bush to “suspend” the next election?
I am amazed at the absolute derangement exhibited by the over-active imaginations of some.
Amazing.
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“…monotheists can seen as one group and yes this includes the Mormons.”
And NO it doesn’t. Mormons believe that they can become gods, and that God is making babies who can become gods and populate the planets of the universe. So… tell me again, where is the monotheism in that?
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No, I don’t believe any such situation will arise. But at least one writer and some interim editors at Family Security Matters wish that it would. I’d like to know Patrick’s opinion on the matter.
I see the hypothetical question as a gauge of one’s ideology: to what extent does prosecuting a “War On Terrorism” take precedence over the rule of law?
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JJF, as I noted in my previous post (#26), I was intentionally applying Frank’s “six degrees of Adolf Hitler” standard on him, demonstrating how inherently unrealistic that standard is, not advocating for it. But it’s no secret I’m no fan of the Wilsonazis.
As for the school board member I outed, I would certainly hope you would agree there is a difference between writing for a publication with hundreds of contributors with a very wide divergence of opinions (e.g. Alan Dershowitz, a regular FPM contibutor), and co-authoring two books with the spokesman for a designated terrorist organization, which is exactly the scenario regarding Carline Keeble/Anisa Abd El Fattah. She was a longtime employee and past president of the UASR, which was found liable in federal court in a $156 million lawsuit concerning the death of an American teenager killed by HAMAS. UASR was identified by one convicted terrorist leader as the political command for HAMAS in the US, and she is the only high-ranking official to not have been convicted on terror charges, fled the country to avoid terror charges, or designated a global terrorist. And in fact, the only writings I cited have been her own (and she has plenty of them, such as her recent published defense of “white nationalists”, aka neo-Nazis, because they are persecuted by the “Jewish lobby”). As of yet, there’s no need for me to engage in guilt by association.
Would you agree that there is a difference in both degree and kind between writing for FPM, et al., and being on the payroll of HAMAS? I realize that some have such a skewed moral compass that they see no difference between the two, but again, that’s where they are unable to meet their own standard. Six degrees of Adolf Hitler works two ways.
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“…some on this blog can’t distinguish between clever jihadists and real Muslim moderates.”
I’ve got a Danish cartoon in my wallet for tricky situations like this. Works like a charm.
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I fully accept responsibility and apologize for any pejorative language against Christianity. I freely admit that I was not very civil at one time on WorldMag. However, I did apologize and mended my ways quite some time ago.
Sometimes I do push it a little bit in my criticisms, and sometimes I do get angry. Those things are wrong and I humbly apologize to all who’ve taken offense at my words. I am my own worst critic, and am well aware of my own shortcomings.
I have striven for civility on here and regularly appeal for all us (myself included) to be civil toward each other. I renew that appeal, especially when it comes to contentious issues like this.
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Solon, no harm done. This subject is one of the main topics where we live…..no doubt, because we observe much of what the rest of the US doesn’t, either because of where they live, profession, lack of interaction ….. last but not least, as you put it “head in the sand” -
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Xion
I’m not making any theological assertions when I say “same s___, different story”. In essence the monotheist beleive in one god and one route to the afterlife. The Koran’s error in “copying” only imply its a bad copy or second hand knowledge. As for Mormonism, the inspirational story and the claim for a pre-written never changed scripture is remarkably similar to the Koran. The few portions I’ve read of the Book were similar in tales to the OT.
Islam and Arab culture has been closed too long. Closed societies allow “paradigms” to stay enforced too long whereas open societies allow for greater diversity of thought and ideas which keep science and technology changing. The same backwardness occurred to the Chinese when they retreated inward by the 15th century. Few realized the Chinese once had a trading empire that competed against the Arabs in East Africa long before the Portugese turned the corner. Inward and intolerant societies fall behind.
As for six degrees of separation, Patrick only needed two or three links in the chain but its still guilt by association.
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Victoria, the leftist goo goos on this blog have their head in the sand on the issue of radical Islamic Jihadis. That was the reason behind my remark that some on this blog can’t distinguish between clever jihadists and real Muslim moderates.
What is a “goo goo”? Are there leftist goo goos and rightest goos?
Are there clever conservative fanatics and real conservative Christian moderates?
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#58
Whew. I was worried there for a minute.
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Welcome, Patrick.
I work in Central Ohio as a law enforcement officer, and I interact with Homeland Security daily. I look forward to reading your posts.
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Random – 60
Regarding Solon’s post 45.
A “goo goo” always knows who they are, however when they ask, it’s even more amusing, or hilarious!
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