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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2007/11/14/ushering-20-to-30-year-olds-to-counseling/comment-page-2/#comment-246086</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless you Bianca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you Bianca
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree. I have to do that a lot here. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca,

&lt;b&gt;Aquila and Priscilla are always spoken of &#039;together&#039; &lt;/b&gt;its also evident that &lt;b&gt;when they took Apollos into their home they both&lt;/b&gt; &quot;expounded unto him they way of God more perfectly.&quot;  

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 
 
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
 
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. Acts 18:24-26
 


All Church  women&#039;s seminar&#039;s, retreats, etc, are not the same.  They can be very uplifting, giving women an opportunity to &#039;fellowship together&#039; -

There is nothing sinful in a woman having a career.  Women should be educated if they want certain positions, there is nothing wrong with this.  Often times women work before having children, and then after the kids are off to college, they return to their professions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bianca,</p>
<p><b>Aquila and Priscilla are always spoken of &#8216;together&#8217; </b>its also evident that <b>when they took Apollos into their home they both</b> &#8220;expounded unto him they way of God more perfectly.&#8221;  </p>
<p>24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. </p>
<p>25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.</p>
<p>26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. Acts 18:24-26</p>
<p>All Church  women&#8217;s seminar&#8217;s, retreats, etc, are not the same.  They can be very uplifting, giving women an opportunity to &#8216;fellowship together&#8217; -</p>
<p>There is nothing sinful in a woman having a career.  Women should be educated if they want certain positions, there is nothing wrong with this.  Often times women work before having children, and then after the kids are off to college, they return to their professions.
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, that should have been the installation of women AS deacons and elders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, that should have been the installation of women AS deacons and elders.
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said that women should not teach women and children. The Bible teaches this clearly. However, I personally do not believe that women should be leading heavily doctrinaire bible studies, exegeting scripture and teaching redemptive history, the Law of God, etc. That is the job of the elders of the church and husbands, and that type of bible study by women shows a deficiency in the male leadership of the church. I also do not believe in these women&#039;s conferences that are so popular today. They encourage careerism in women; and I believe that these types of things in our reformed and presbyterian churches will eventually lead to the installation of women and deacons and elders. Satan is very subtle.  

My point was that pastors need to preach sermons that emphasize instruction to the men so that those men may teach their wives and children.  Most churches are feminized and juvenile, because they emphasize instruction to women and children. Most sermons today do not honor the patriarchal nature of the scriptures. Women and children thrive in a church where the men are equipped as heads of households. The Bible has plenty to say to women as it does all types of saints. But the main message is to heads of households, because the Word of God is a covenantal document.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said that women should not teach women and children. The Bible teaches this clearly. However, I personally do not believe that women should be leading heavily doctrinaire bible studies, exegeting scripture and teaching redemptive history, the Law of God, etc. That is the job of the elders of the church and husbands, and that type of bible study by women shows a deficiency in the male leadership of the church. I also do not believe in these women&#8217;s conferences that are so popular today. They encourage careerism in women; and I believe that these types of things in our reformed and presbyterian churches will eventually lead to the installation of women and deacons and elders. Satan is very subtle.  </p>
<p>My point was that pastors need to preach sermons that emphasize instruction to the men so that those men may teach their wives and children.  Most churches are feminized and juvenile, because they emphasize instruction to women and children. Most sermons today do not honor the patriarchal nature of the scriptures. Women and children thrive in a church where the men are equipped as heads of households. The Bible has plenty to say to women as it does all types of saints. But the main message is to heads of households, because the Word of God is a covenantal document.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca

I would like an answer to my post, if it isn&#039;t to much trouble -</description>
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<p>I would like an answer to my post, if it isn&#8217;t to much trouble -
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca, ...... Cheryl is right.  Scripture doesn&#039;t say that women should not teach, or that they should not have a place within the Church.

Cheryl makes some excellent points.


In Romans we see Phebe who worked in the Church Paul has much to say here, there are 35 people mentioned by name in Romans 16.  Phebe is a woman, so is Priscilla, and she in never mentioned WITHOUT her husband.  The &lt;b&gt;women were involved in spreading the Gospel.&lt;/b&gt;  

1 I commend unto you&lt;b&gt; Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:&lt;/b&gt;
 
2 That &lt;b&gt;ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.&lt;/b&gt;
 
3 &lt;b&gt;Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:&lt;/b&gt;

 6  &lt;b&gt;Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.&lt;/b&gt;

15  Salute Philologus, and &lt;b&gt;Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas,&lt;/b&gt; and all the saints which are with them.  
Romans 16


24 And a certain &lt;b&gt;Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.&lt;/b&gt; 
 
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
 
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom &lt;b&gt;when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.&lt;/b&gt;  Acts 18
 


(Notice in verse 26 that it was &lt;b&gt;both Aquila and Priscilla&lt;/b&gt; took Apollos and expounded unto him the &lt;b&gt;way of God more perfectly.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bianca, &#8230;&#8230; Cheryl is right.  Scripture doesn&#8217;t say that women should not teach, or that they should not have a place within the Church.</p>
<p>Cheryl makes some excellent points.</p>
<p>In Romans we see Phebe who worked in the Church Paul has much to say here, there are 35 people mentioned by name in Romans 16.  Phebe is a woman, so is Priscilla, and she in never mentioned WITHOUT her husband.  The <b>women were involved in spreading the Gospel.</b>  </p>
<p>1 I commend unto you<b> Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:</b></p>
<p>2 That <b>ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.</b></p>
<p>3 <b>Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:</b></p>
<p> 6  <b>Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.</b></p>
<p>15  Salute Philologus, and <b>Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas,</b> and all the saints which are with them.<br />
Romans 16</p>
<p>24 And a certain <b>Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.</b> </p>
<p>25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.</p>
<p>26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom <b>when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.</b>  Acts 18</p>
<p>(Notice in verse 26 that it was <b>both Aquila and Priscilla</b> took Apollos and expounded unto him the <b>way of God more perfectly.</b>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Cheryl! I responded to you on today&#039;s Whirled Views. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca:

You probably won&#039;t see this, as this thread seems about dead. But some points you&#039;ve made have continued to bother me. One, you&#039;ve made several comments about maybe not going to church at all. Well, that simply isn&#039;t an option for a Christian, sorry.

Second, you say that the church should be teaching men, not women and children. Based on what Scripture? Here, briefly, are several problems I see with that. Biblical: Scripture keeps the whole community in view quite often, with nursing babies specifically noted as part of some Old Testament assemblies. Older women are specificially told to teach the younger women. Jesus Himself taught women (Mary and Martha, for instance), though He was not their husband. Paul taught Aquila and Priscilla (not just Aquila). 

Further, if only men are to be taught, not women and children, then churches might as well send all the kids to children&#039;s church (and not teach them anything there) and send all the women home. Nope, that&#039;s not at all the biblical pattern. Obviously the worship service is for more than &quot;teaching,&quot; but teaching is definitely one of its purposes. Should we have classes and Bible studies for men only? And what about single women, women married to unbelieving husbands, and women whose husbands can&#039;t or won&#039;t teach them--are we all &quot;out of luck&quot;? We don&#039;t need to be taught, or it&#039;s actually wrong to teach us?

Again, I think you&#039;re basing this on tradition, not Scripture--but whose tradition I don&#039;t know, since this falls outside the range of any denominations I&#039;m familiar with! But churches should be formed based on Scripture and not on tradition, and Scripture distinctly says to teach everyone. &quot;Go and teach all nations&quot; doesn&#039;t seem limited to men, nor do the pastoral epistles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bianca:</p>
<p>You probably won&#8217;t see this, as this thread seems about dead. But some points you&#8217;ve made have continued to bother me. One, you&#8217;ve made several comments about maybe not going to church at all. Well, that simply isn&#8217;t an option for a Christian, sorry.</p>
<p>Second, you say that the church should be teaching men, not women and children. Based on what Scripture? Here, briefly, are several problems I see with that. Biblical: Scripture keeps the whole community in view quite often, with nursing babies specifically noted as part of some Old Testament assemblies. Older women are specificially told to teach the younger women. Jesus Himself taught women (Mary and Martha, for instance), though He was not their husband. Paul taught Aquila and Priscilla (not just Aquila). </p>
<p>Further, if only men are to be taught, not women and children, then churches might as well send all the kids to children&#8217;s church (and not teach them anything there) and send all the women home. Nope, that&#8217;s not at all the biblical pattern. Obviously the worship service is for more than &#8220;teaching,&#8221; but teaching is definitely one of its purposes. Should we have classes and Bible studies for men only? And what about single women, women married to unbelieving husbands, and women whose husbands can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t teach them&#8211;are we all &#8220;out of luck&#8221;? We don&#8217;t need to be taught, or it&#8217;s actually wrong to teach us?</p>
<p>Again, I think you&#8217;re basing this on tradition, not Scripture&#8211;but whose tradition I don&#8217;t know, since this falls outside the range of any denominations I&#8217;m familiar with! But churches should be formed based on Scripture and not on tradition, and Scripture distinctly says to teach everyone. &#8220;Go and teach all nations&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem limited to men, nor do the pastoral epistles.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca - 72

Thanks, wasn&#039;t sure what you meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bianca &#8211; 72</p>
<p>Thanks, wasn&#8217;t sure what you meant.
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