Hunting to help
Here in Pennsylvania, the beginning of rifle deer hunting season is just around the corner. While some groups say hunting deer (or any animal) for sport is cruel, many hunters are using the practice to help in a unique way.
A growing number of American hunters are donating part of their bounty each year to people who need it most, the poor and the homeless, through nationwide campaigns like Hunters for the Hungry, which delivers game meat to local food banks and shelters. In Georgia, where the group was founded 15 years ago, more than 1,000 hunters delivered 5,000 pounds of meat in 2006, making 25,000 meals. Nationwide, the group is on track to deliver its one-millionth meal in December. “It’s really vital now because it’s the holiday season, and there’s more need during the fall and winter,” says Glenn Dowling, executive vice president of the Georgia Wildlife Federation. “Now is when this influx of high-quality protein needs to come into play in the food banks.”
But many animal-rights activists don’t think feeding the hungry with animals killed for sport is a justifiable end. What do you think?




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“While some groups say hunting deer for sport is cruel”
Does the deer know the difference between hunting for survival and hunting “for sport?” Also, footnotes and references, please. Name all these multitudinous groups you speak of that think it’s cruel.
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When I was kid, we hunted to supplement our winter meat, and nobody thought a thing of it. No one minds when indigenous peoples do it, either. This sounds to me like a great marriage of love for the hunt and feeding the hungry. Go for it. Especially where the deer are overpopulated.
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This sounds like a great organization.
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Wiglaf–
All “animal rights” groups I’m familiar with have expressed sentiments against hunting for sport. PETA is opposed to it. There are also specific groups in different countries just to campaign against it. If you put something like “against hunting sport” in a Google search, there they are!
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Bianca–
Which one?
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Hunters for the Hungry
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I’m not a deer. I’ve never been a deer. I have no close, personal friends who are deer. Still thinkin’, tho, that if I were a deer, and my number was coming up, and I had the capacity to understand these things and make an informed choice, I would prefer to go the way of all things by high-powered rifle bullet than by close, personal encounter with a pack of wolves.
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Venison Mince Meat – yum.
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RR,
I also consider hunting to be more humane than starvation due to overpopulation.
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Does anyone here know why deer might be ‘overpopulated’?
What determines the threshold of ‘overpopulated’?
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When they’re coming into our yards and messing with our gardens.
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Erasmus, they aare overpopulated because they now have no natural enemies like wolves and cougars. Only hunters can cull the herds.
The threshold of overpopulation is when there are many crashes between them and cars even in developed areas(read Washington beltway.), and they survive by eating azalea bushes.
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Off topic–hey, Chas,
I see you got your avatar fixed. Looks great!
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They are overpopulated when there are so many that they themselves eat up too much of their natural food stuffs and the whole populace begins to stave–or eat azeleas.
P.S. Chas, if you can do this without your neighbors seeing you, the best way to keep deer out of your yard is to mark you territory. Get the flow?:)
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Never been a hunter, but I do enjoy venison. If we didn’t cull the herds we would have quite a problem. PETA people don’t respond to this well. Hunting for the homeless is brilliant.
Out along the Pacific some fish for the homeless, but this is not as brilliant as many speicies of fish have dangerously low populations. It’s time to close the sushi bars and open pate parlors.
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Chas that was the explanation I was looking for. We’ve all heard it, but it’s probably false… hunting is not a very effective mechanism for controlling the absolute size of deer herds, but can be used to manage the quality of trophy bucks in small areas. I say that as a hunter. Deer populations for example in WNC are growing and growing, and it doesn’t appear to be any response to ‘loss of predators’, but as a result of of land use changes first: subdivisions.
Deer herds are huge in some parts of our area due to agriculture. Deer love corn. They also love to live in suburban areas where they can eat your rosebushes. If you live in a landscape matrix with ag interspersed with residential areas, and particularly if there are large segments of more or less continuous forests, you will have deer explosions.
many folks feed deer in the winter. this is probably a bigger factor than natural predators.
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I think it’s a great idea. As long as the animals that are hunted are used for food, then I have no problem with it.
Although I am not a hunter, I have many friends who are. They all eat or donate the meat they kill. From everything I’ve seen, hunting and wildlife management seems very well run in this country. Things like the deer population is closely monitored, and the number is strictly regulated as to how many you can harvest.
Now I understand PETA people and their opposition to killing animals. I have some sympathy for that, and I have often thought I could become a vegetarian without too much difficulty. But I believe in letting people decide for themselves whether they will be vegetarian or not.
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“But many animal-rights activists don’t think feeding the hungry with animals killed for sport is a justifiable end. What do you think?”
Erasmus,
It’s always been common understanding that anytime you have a loss of natural predators, or loss of habitat, then the result will be overpopulation, starvation, and disease.
Are you saying this is not the case?
One of the other things that hunters provide is money for wildlife management. Numbers of hunters have dropped and wildlife managers have been trying to promote hunting by upping the numbers of tags available.
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One thing I’ve never understood is the mixed-up worldview of the animal-rights extremists. I can pretty much guarantee they aren’t creationists. They believe people are animals, not even superior to other animals. By that logic, can we not kill our food, as other animals do? Why are we held to a “higher” standard, if we are not higher creatures?
And they can’t get out of it by admitting we are higher creatures, because that leaves us either with survival of the fittest or with special creation. With survival of the fittest, it’s a little dumb to say the winners can’t eat meat. With special creation, in the Bible we clearly have God’s permission to eat meat. Any way we look at it, their idea that we can’t eat meat, or can’t kill animals, is deeply flawed.
I’ve never eaten venison. As a younger woman, the Bambi thing was part of the reason, but I have never ever been offered any venison, either. Now I’d like to try it. Anyone have any extra?
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Erasmus asks some good questions:
“What determines the threshold of ‘overpopulated’?”
But gets some bad answers:
“When they’re coming into our yards and messing with our gardens”
Uhm.. no. that merely means that we’re probably putting gardens where they shouldn’t oughta be.
He gives a much more thorough answer to his own appearantly rhetorical question at #16:
“Deer herds are huge in some parts of our area due to agriculture. Deer love corn. They also love to live in suburban areas where they can eat your rosebushes. If you live in a landscape matrix with ag interspersed with residential areas, and particularly if there are large segments of more or less continuous forests, you will have deer explosions.
many folks feed deer in the winter. this is probably a bigger factor than natural predators.”
We had a case near where we live of a woman arrested numerous times for illegally feeding the “poor widdle deer” at a local park.
Leave wildlife management to the pros, please! They know what works, and that it in the end is not all about protecting Mr. and Mrs. Exurbia’s precious azaleas!
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well i don’t know, i think the number of negative interactions with humans is probably a good index for overpopulation.
MIM I am saying that this is not the case. Natural predators were not generally regulating deer populations prior to the population explosions in the SE or in Michigan. alteration of habitats causing huge increases in the amount of early succesional forest (deer love this) that is directly a consequent of human residential construction is the cause of this explosion, not the loss of some predator or disease.
in general, that is probably a good cartoon depiction of the old ‘balance of nature’ myth though. equilibria of this kind rarely occur anywhere in ‘nature’.
Cheryl everyone knows that eating meat can be bad for you. Venison is not your average meat. i don’t see what creationism has to do for it, except that most creationists have been told that the world is theirs to exploit with very little guidance on what to exploit or how to go about doing so. i have seen very little good environmental ethics from the evangelical community, which is mostly utilitarian ‘use it because jesus could come back at any moment’. I will exclude Wendell Berry from that camp.
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There are inarguably better ways to help people.
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Yes – feed them watercress and teach them Tantra Yoga.
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I certainly agree that hunting for food is generally well-managed, though I absolutely disagree that the definition of overpopulation has anything to do with whether or not they’re in your garden. If your garden is in the middle of New York City, then yes, that sounds like overpopulation, but if deer were around there before your garden it sounds more like human overpopulation than deer.
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Erasmus 10,
Around here the herds grow because of farming and easy access to food. However, the food is not always available. Currently they are down to eating my baby pine trees, not normally a favorite, because of the dry conditions (until last night’s snowstorm). The dry conditions will take care of the excess through starvation and coyote predation of the weakened deer.
A few years ago we had a plethora of deer but the local water fleas gave them a disease and it is thought that around ten thousand died in our valley alone during a few weeks of one summer. I understand the smell was horrendous from the rotting bodies.
It is generally understood that it is a complicated issue. My view is that as we are contributing to the prolific reproduction through cutting trees, growing gardens, and growing fields of crops, it is more humane to also contribute to the thinning of the numbers through knowledgeable hunting. Harvesting the deer seems a lot kinder than the alternatives. My understanding is that in some parts of the county, road kill deer (when collected early enough and without a lot of damage) are used for prison food and food kitchens. Hunted deer can certainly be used in the same way.
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Cheryl D.,
I’m not a hunter but over the last twenty years I’ve had lots of friends who are (women as well as men). And I’ve had venison in various forms, though usually sausage or stew. Cooked by someone who knows how to cook it properly, it’s very good – and in sausage or stew I would have no idea that the meat happens to be venison.
Last week our small group host (who is an avid hunter and whose house has more heads and antlers than I’ve ever seen in one place before, not to mention a zebra rug and a stuffed fox) served pheasant for dinner. We agreed it was similar to chicken, and I have no idea if I’d have known from the taste that it wasn’t (though we were warned to watch out for birdshot, and one woman did find some in her serving).
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My husband is a hunter – he hasn’t gotten anything yet this season, but still has time!
At this time of year, we see dozens of dead deer on the highways and freeways in our area. We’re talking 25-30 within a 35 mile stretch of freeway. And those are the ones we could see! If that doesn’t say “overpopulation” I don’t know what does. I have also hit one of those deer in the past, and did a lot of damage to my car.
I say to the hunters – kill all you want – there will be more! Don’t kill without using the meat, certainly. They have this meat donation program in our area, as well, and I think it’s a great idea. I do know some people who like to hunt, but don’t care for the meat. Now, they have another alternative on what to do with it.
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Although I like to argue for the structural adjustments of the economy to help provide long term help for the poor, I have no problem with deer hunting especially for the rural poor.
I can’t prove deer are overpopulated but the generally perception is deer have migrated closer to urban areas where there is less predators and greater food. The expansion of the urban area is also responsible for greater contact.
In the last year of my daily commute I have seen more deer than the rest of my life combined. Hydro right of ways act as a natural highway leading them into the city. Right now its mating season and I need to be careful at dusk not to run into bucks who have one thing on the their mind and its not looking both ways before crossing the street. However, the prize for urban adaption goes to the raccoon who now populate the city more than the countryside.
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Here in southern Maine, there are too many deer, probably due to fewer predators and less hunting. Some of the offshore islands have had to hire sharpshooters and have special hunting seasons to reduce the deer herds.
However, in central and northern Maine, poaching has taken a toll on the deer population, and the hunters in those rural areas are having trouble finding anything to hunt.
We also have the programs like Mumsee mentioned, where road kill that’s in okay shape (deer and moose) is given to food pantries or soup kitchens.
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My father has shot four deer so far this season on our Virginia farm, and my two brothers are there all this week helping him to actually INCREASE the deer population — the ones sitting in freezers and hanging from trees, that is!
BTW, I made “hapanero venison chili” (my own recipe) this past weekend, and everyone I’ve fed it to loves it!
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Update: My two brothers shot three more bucks today on our family farm. The count is now seven.
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