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		<title>By: hrw</title>
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		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Organ sales represents a huge growth market for China. Moral qualms should not present a barrier to the free market economy. Quite clearly there is a market and there are sellers, gov&#039;t regulation only leads to a distortion in the market which will result in either over supply or unsatisfied demand. Once freedom has taken root, we can look at other ruthless oppression of the medical markets. At the present time, blood and plasma is barred from the international marketplace, again an instance where weak-minded liberals have imposed a barrier based on supposed moral interests. Once the international market is established, free trade will allow for specialization, efficiencies and economies of scale. Certain nations can take an unused resource and create wealth. Right now, the Congo is in the middle of what has been called the African World War; blood is being spilled yet noone is collecting and selling due to moral computations - what a waste. The blood and plasma industry can even be green -- many Congolese can sell several times without side effects -- blood is a renewable resource. 

Capitalism is a wonderful system which allows all resources including our flesh and blood to part of  the global economy. The simple fears of weak-kneed liberals should not stop the advancement of freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Organ sales represents a huge growth market for China. Moral qualms should not present a barrier to the free market economy. Quite clearly there is a market and there are sellers, gov&#8217;t regulation only leads to a distortion in the market which will result in either over supply or unsatisfied demand. Once freedom has taken root, we can look at other ruthless oppression of the medical markets. At the present time, blood and plasma is barred from the international marketplace, again an instance where weak-minded liberals have imposed a barrier based on supposed moral interests. Once the international market is established, free trade will allow for specialization, efficiencies and economies of scale. Certain nations can take an unused resource and create wealth. Right now, the Congo is in the middle of what has been called the African World War; blood is being spilled yet noone is collecting and selling due to moral computations &#8211; what a waste. The blood and plasma industry can even be green &#8212; many Congolese can sell several times without side effects &#8212; blood is a renewable resource. </p>
<p>Capitalism is a wonderful system which allows all resources including our flesh and blood to part of  the global economy. The simple fears of weak-kneed liberals should not stop the advancement of freedom.
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		<title>By: Anlir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anlir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metanoia,

I can&#039;t tell you how much it tears at me to hear stories like yours!  I know of so many people who are in desperate situations like yours, because I work in the employee benefits field, particularly medical insurance.

In my own family, my brother&#039;s health care bills are over $1 million now.  He is bankrupt and is on Medicaid.  He&#039;s uninsurable at any price.  He has lost his home and has basically nothing because the government will not let you have any assets and be on Medicaid.  His transplant rejection drugs are $6,000 per month.

I hope you will not give up fighting the insurance company.  Tell them you want to appeal it, and go as far as you can up the ladder.  Contact the Insurance Commissioner of your state.  Contact your state representative and congressperson.  Write a letter to your local paper.  Call your local TV station and offer your story.  When the chips are down, you do what you&#039;ve got to do.  Finally, ask the doctor if the pharmaceutical company has a plan to cover medicine for people in your situation.  Don&#039;t give up yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metanoia,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how much it tears at me to hear stories like yours!  I know of so many people who are in desperate situations like yours, because I work in the employee benefits field, particularly medical insurance.</p>
<p>In my own family, my brother&#8217;s health care bills are over $1 million now.  He is bankrupt and is on Medicaid.  He&#8217;s uninsurable at any price.  He has lost his home and has basically nothing because the government will not let you have any assets and be on Medicaid.  His transplant rejection drugs are $6,000 per month.</p>
<p>I hope you will not give up fighting the insurance company.  Tell them you want to appeal it, and go as far as you can up the ladder.  Contact the Insurance Commissioner of your state.  Contact your state representative and congressperson.  Write a letter to your local paper.  Call your local TV station and offer your story.  When the chips are down, you do what you&#8217;ve got to do.  Finally, ask the doctor if the pharmaceutical company has a plan to cover medicine for people in your situation.  Don&#8217;t give up yet!
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		<title>By: metanoia</title>
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		<dc:creator>metanoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desperate times cause people to make desperate decisions.

I commented a few days ago about a specific situation I find myself in.  In short, my wife has suffered from excruciating pain from a fall she took down a flight of stairs 19 years ago. The condition has worsened. Even after numerous surgical procedures.

A new doctor has found a combination of drugs that seem to be working in providing her with a measure of relief that is allowing her to once again experience a level of quality of life that we had almost given up on.

Our insurance company has refused to cover these drugs because they have not been approved for pain relief even though they work.  The cost is prohibitive (about $900 per month).  In about 6 months or so we will have gone through what is left of the equity we had in our house which was sold to pay for medical bills.

If I could sell a kidney and it would give me the resources to provide for my wife&#039;s treatment I&#039;d do it in a heartbeat.

Altruistically I&#039;d like to belive that &quot;greater love has no man than this . . .&quot; But in this case it would be prompted more by desperation than anything else.

It&#039;s easy to talk about hypothetical situations until faced with reality.  I can live without a kidney, or one eye etc.  But I wouldn&#039;t want to withhold treatment for a loved one just because my value is measured in dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desperate times cause people to make desperate decisions.</p>
<p>I commented a few days ago about a specific situation I find myself in.  In short, my wife has suffered from excruciating pain from a fall she took down a flight of stairs 19 years ago. The condition has worsened. Even after numerous surgical procedures.</p>
<p>A new doctor has found a combination of drugs that seem to be working in providing her with a measure of relief that is allowing her to once again experience a level of quality of life that we had almost given up on.</p>
<p>Our insurance company has refused to cover these drugs because they have not been approved for pain relief even though they work.  The cost is prohibitive (about $900 per month).  In about 6 months or so we will have gone through what is left of the equity we had in our house which was sold to pay for medical bills.</p>
<p>If I could sell a kidney and it would give me the resources to provide for my wife&#8217;s treatment I&#8217;d do it in a heartbeat.</p>
<p>Altruistically I&#8217;d like to belive that &#8220;greater love has no man than this . . .&#8221; But in this case it would be prompted more by desperation than anything else.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to talk about hypothetical situations until faced with reality.  I can live without a kidney, or one eye etc.  But I wouldn&#8217;t want to withhold treatment for a loved one just because my value is measured in dollars.
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		<title>By: mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - the title of this thread really threw me off; I was expecting a discussion of Mueller vs Ott. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; the title of this thread really threw me off; I was expecting a discussion of Mueller vs Ott. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Anlir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anlir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random,

Indeed.  But there was a case where not all of the stakeholders were involved in the decision to buy blood, resulting in some bad things.  So the practice was stopped.

Presently, in a way, you can purchase your own blood for surgery.  Many hospitals allow you to &quot;bank&quot;  blood in exchange for a reduction in your bill.  It can come from you, family members, or even members of your church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random,</p>
<p>Indeed.  But there was a case where not all of the stakeholders were involved in the decision to buy blood, resulting in some bad things.  So the practice was stopped.</p>
<p>Presently, in a way, you can purchase your own blood for surgery.  Many hospitals allow you to &#8220;bank&#8221;  blood in exchange for a reduction in your bill.  It can come from you, family members, or even members of your church.
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		<title>By: Random Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of study has shown that &quot;selling blood&quot; is not the best way to provide for a reliable supply of blood for medical needs in our society.

I suspect that we will find the same about organs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of study has shown that &#8220;selling blood&#8221; is not the best way to provide for a reliable supply of blood for medical needs in our society.</p>
<p>I suspect that we will find the same about organs.
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be hugely supportinve of organ donation, but my wife, who is a nurse, has turned me away from it somewhat.  I was no aware that viable organs can only be harvested from someone who has clinically died within the previous few minutes.  Since organ teams are nowhere near that fast, they primarily get organs from patients who have a heartbeat and other autonomous life-support functions intact, but are &quot;brain dead&quot;.  Which is a loaded  term as we know.  i.e., they have to physically stop the heart and respiration and then immediately harvest the organs.  That&#039;s a little too dicey for me to agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be hugely supportinve of organ donation, but my wife, who is a nurse, has turned me away from it somewhat.  I was no aware that viable organs can only be harvested from someone who has clinically died within the previous few minutes.  Since organ teams are nowhere near that fast, they primarily get organs from patients who have a heartbeat and other autonomous life-support functions intact, but are &#8220;brain dead&#8221;.  Which is a loaded  term as we know.  i.e., they have to physically stop the heart and respiration and then immediately harvest the organs.  That&#8217;s a little too dicey for me to agree with.
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		<title>By: Anlir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anlir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

Absolutely, we need to encourage people to be donors.

I&#039;m not saying I&#039;m all in favor of paying people.  But if we do, there should be strict guidelines.

There are strict guidelines around paying people for sperm and eggs, for example.

There is a &quot;slippery slope&quot; on this matter.  But we have all kinds of &quot;slippery slopes&quot; in life.    In a free society, you learn to deal with those issues.  You involve all of the stakeholders - the donors, the recipients, the physicians, the legal community, and the ethicists.

I know this much - if you&#039;re a parent and you&#039;re watching your child die for lack of a transplant, you might be more open to the idea of organ purchase, if it can be done legally and ethically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Absolutely, we need to encourage people to be donors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m all in favor of paying people.  But if we do, there should be strict guidelines.</p>
<p>There are strict guidelines around paying people for sperm and eggs, for example.</p>
<p>There is a &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; on this matter.  But we have all kinds of &#8220;slippery slopes&#8221; in life.    In a free society, you learn to deal with those issues.  You involve all of the stakeholders &#8211; the donors, the recipients, the physicians, the legal community, and the ethicists.</p>
<p>I know this much &#8211; if you&#8217;re a parent and you&#8217;re watching your child die for lack of a transplant, you might be more open to the idea of organ purchase, if it can be done legally and ethically.
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac, how do shortages lead to exploitation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac, how do shortages lead to exploitation?
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		<title>By: Kyle A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anlir, walls are made to be torn down.  I wouldn&#039;t trust any laws or regulations to prevent exploitation.

I assume that the expenses of organ donation are paid by the recipient.  That seems like fair ocmpensation for a voluntary contribution.  What we need is to persuade more people to be donors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anlir, walls are made to be torn down.  I wouldn&#8217;t trust any laws or regulations to prevent exploitation.</p>
<p>I assume that the expenses of organ donation are paid by the recipient.  That seems like fair ocmpensation for a voluntary contribution.  What we need is to persuade more people to be donors.
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