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I would have been much more impressed by an endorsement by his dad (if he was still alive, that is). I’ve heard that the younger Jerry is a fraction of his father (sort of like how I am just a fraction of my own dad?).
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Probably a net negative. Nobody has heard of Falwell Junior, but they already have negative opinions of him. Now, Huckabee becomes “The religious guy that Falwell Junior likes.”
Speaking of Juniors, if he could get an endorsement from Earnhardt Junior, that might carry some weight
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The only people that care are those that aren’t gonna like it.
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Randy Alcorn endorses Huckabee as well. On Randy’s personal blog he’s written some good columns on the Presidential candidates:
http://www.randyalcorn.blogspot.com
And in the Eternal Perspective Winter 2008 newsletter he writes concerning the endorsement of certain candidates:
Is there a time for pragmatism? Sure. As long as you can stay within the realm of righteous principles, then go ahead and weigh pragmatic considerations, as a matter of wisdom. But there is no wisdom in unrighteousness. If you are tempted toward a pragmatic action that violates Scripture and conscience, do not succumb to that temptation. To do so is sin.
http://www.epm.org/pdf/08Winter.pdf
(I originally posted this on today’s WV – it’ll fit better, here.)
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The Hucksters is self described as a “Christian” leader. I guess that leaves out the rest of us.
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All of the candidates are collecting their “chits” now. As is usually the case with a wide open primary, you will have endorsements all across the board. I expect an avalanche of endorsements by the first of January since the first primary is Jan. 8th.
Falwell, Jr’s endorsement is interesting, but not really earth moving in any way.
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It is sad that a christian leader as Huckabee is being called would stand on a stage and be dishonest about his in state tuition bill for illegal aliens. His bill gave any illegal who had been in Arkansas for 3 years in state tuition. He told Mitt Romney and the girl who asked the question they were wrong. Either Huckabee lied or he did not read his own bill eiter way he is not fit to be President.
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None!
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Wow, I didn’t know that Falwell had “spawn”. He must be pretty good to stay out of the public eye. Seems most religious leaders are famous for who they hate, their fingers in the till or some type of sex scandal.
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AS has been said, since Junior does not have the following of Senior, I doubt this will have any impact. How many know what Junior stands for? I don’t. (I was not a big fan of his father, so if anything, this would tend to turn me against a candidate.)
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Thanks VS, I didn’t know that Randy Alcorn had endorsed Huckabee. I skimmed the last EPM newsletter and didn’t see that.
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OK, I didn’t miss it. I was looking at the previous newsletter, which we get in print form. Haven’t seen the one you linked to yet.
Also, as you pointed out, the endorsement isn’t in the newsletter. It’s in his blog. I got excited and didn’t read carefully.
That’s nice to see the article about Kathy Norquist, Randy’s assistant in there. She’s a great lady. My wife lived with her for a while when she was single and she’s like a “spiritual mom” to her.
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So what Randy is saying in the newsletter is that he will vote for a pro-life third party candidate before he’ll vote for a pro-abortion Republican (i.e. Giuliani) since what God thinks about abortion and where he stands on it is more important than trying to get any Republican into office. Something to think about.
Meanwhile, he supports a pro-life Republican for the primaries so he can hopefully avoid that dilemma in the general election.
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In case it isn’t obvious, I value Alcorn’s endorsement more than Falwell Jr’s.
I’ll be quiet now…
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Peter L: You can email me privately for more information about Jerry Jr. My father got to know him really well when he worked for Dr. Falwell until a few years ago.
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Thanks for your input TRR. I just started getting the newsletter online – this was the first online issue I received this way.
That is cool that your wife knows Kathy. The people involved in that ministry are amazing – I’ve never dealt with anyone as helpful, pleasant, sincere, generous and honest as they are!
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Please don’t call him Dr. Fallwell.
He is just Jerry.
Not sure why Mr. Jerry Fallwell, Mr. Walter Martin, and other preachers feel it is OK to take the title of “Doctor” without the hard work and effort.
I guess they think it gives them credibility.
I call it lying and deceiving.
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Dr. Jerry Falwell was awarded that title, Theo. There was no “lying” or “deceiving” involved, other than the “lie” of you saying that there was.
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Theo
Who are are you to to decide whether these men deserve these doctorates? Do you know or care the work they did to help others? Who are you to make these decisions? Are you a University President?
Did you know Dr walter Martin, did you ever meet him? I DID, do you believe you come anywhere near the standard of Biblical knowledge that he had? If so, how and why?
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There is clear evidence that both claimed the title of “Doctor” before being awarded honorary doctorates. I am not sure what gave them the impression that this was OK.
In my opinion, it is misleading to adopt the title of doctor without the necessary qualifications. Even if I had an honorary doctorate, I would not claim the title of doctor on that alone.
George W. Bush was awarded an honorary doctorate from Yale. Does that make him Doctor Bush?
Here are some other honorary doctors:
Muhammad Ali
Tim Allen
Bob Barker
Barbara Bush
John Carpenter
Ray Charles
Billy Joel
Lets add:
Walter Martin
Jerry Falwell
Victoria,
Now I understand where all of your bitterness and animosity comes from.
I think Dr. Walter Martin had a very narrow subjective view of the Bible. Since his biblical knowledge stems from his Biblical interpretation, I give it very little credibility.
His Christian Research Institute can hardly be considered a success in terms of true Christian charity.
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Theo
Theo you post……..“Victoria, Now I understand where all of your bitterness and animosity comes from.”
Theo, you couldn’t be more wrong. Accusing a man who honorably received his doctorate, and trying to take that away without the facts, as I have pointed out, in no way makes me bitter…….it does make me question the integrity of those who do not have the facts making such allegations.
Theo you post……”I think Dr. Walter Martin had a very narrow subjective view of the Bible. Since his biblical knowledge stems from his Biblical interpretation, I give it very little credibility.”
This is your opinion, but one which very few people who know Dr. Martin’s devotion to truth and his devotion to Scripture, would agree with you.
AGAIN, I ask……..do you believe you come anywhere near the standard of Biblical knowledge that he had? If so, how and why?
Theo, as far as all the other people you name as having doctorates, have nothing to do with the two which are part of the discussion here.
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Before I can answer your question, please tell me. What is the “standard” for Biblical knowledge? How did Walter Martin meet that standard? What proof can you offer that his interpretation of the Bible is the most accurate?
Dr. Walter Martin used the title “Doctor” at least as far back as his mother’s death in 1966, which was long before the founding of the correspondence school which he claimed had awarded the doctorate. California Coast University was founded in 1973 under the name “California Western University”, but lost a name-infringement suit in 1981. The school was identified as a diploma mill in official GAO Special Investigations Report (# GAO-04-1096T) which stated that the school provided degrees upon payment of a flat fee. It has since become accredited to award undergraduate degrees, and offers no theological degrees whatsoever.
His devotion to truth is debatable based on his public record.
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I base what I believe about the man because I heard him speak many times, and his many books.
What points do you disagree with Dr. Martin?
I don’t have a problem with Dr. Martin’s earlier honorary doctorates.
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California Coast University is listed as a “diploma mill” in government reports. “Diploma mills” are unaccredited schools that offer degrees for a relatively low flat fee and do not require any classroom instruction.
CCU doesn’t even offer a doctorate. It offers no degrees in theology. It is simply a mail order college education program. Here is the web site.
http://www.calcoast.edu/programs.php
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So your standard for truth is whether what he preaches conforms to your understanding of the Bible. As long as he is preaching to the choir, he is speaking truth then. That is an easy standard to reach.
I listened to one of his Bible Answer Man programs in which he professed that Jesus and Michael the Archangel were the same individual. That was the one time I listened to him. I was not impressed with his interpretation of the Bible. Either him or Hank Hanegraaf.
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Victoria,
I went back to look at Walter Martin’s essays. I think I was wrong about him saying Michael and Jesus were the same. I must have jumped into the middle of his program and listened to him telling a Jehovah’s Witness viewpoint. I only listened for a few minutes and then turned it off so I may have missed his point. Sorry about that last entry.
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Theo – 25
YOU WRITE….“So your standard for truth is whether what he preaches conforms to your understanding of the Bible. As long as he is preaching to the choir, he is speaking truth then. That is an easy standard to reach.”
Theo people listen to their pastors, because they more likely agree with them. However, there have been times when I don’t agree with my pastor, but he is still my pastor. That isn’t a so called ’standard’ its just a fact. Dr. Martin knew the Scriptures, can you prove he didn’t?
I thank you for making clear that Dr Martin did not believe Michael the Archangel was Christ Jesus.
Theo you post…..“That was the one time I listened to him. I was not impressed with his interpretation of the Bible. Either him or Hank Hanegraaf.”
Theo, how can anyone have an opinion based on a few minutes, listening to a radio program ONCE, as you posted in post 25. Then as you posted in #26…….” I only listened for a few minutes and then turned it off so I may have missed his point. Sorry about that last entry.”
As far as Dr. Martin’s Honorary degree, and the degree which he earned, you need to research the reason why ‘SOME’ people attack him.
Theo, what Biblical points do you disagree with Dr. Martin? Have you read any of his books?
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Not really interested in his books. I have better things to do then attack the religious beliefs of other people. He made his living in trying to tear down people’s beliefs.
While I am interested in what the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholics, or Seventh Day Adventists believe, I don’t consider it my goal to claim that my interpretation of the Bible is any more correct.
The Bible itself is a mixed message of real history and metaphorical stories. Internal consistency is sometimes lacking. It is easy to see why even Evangelical churches often disagree on doctrines.
I don’t see that dedicating your life to attacking another’s beliefs is in any way noble.
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I apologise for jumping to a conclusion that I shouldn’t have about Martin’s teachings of Jesus and Michael.
I stand by my perspective that claiming to be a “doctor” to assume greater authority is a form of deception.
Jesus himself was hesitant to adopt any titles.
Luke 18
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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I apologise for jumping to a conclusion that I shouldn’t have about Martin’s teachings of Jesus and Michael.
And you’re going to apologize for jumping to conclusions about Victoria . . . when?
Now? . . . Now? . . . Now?
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Theo – 28
The Scriptures prove them false, many JW’s have no idea what the Bible really says, they are not allowed to study it by themselves for fear they will turn from what the Watchtower has told them. The Mormons have added another book which is the Book of Mormon, but never telling those they try to convert what the ‘real’ beliefs are, only at the very end, when the person has decided to join.
The Apostle Paul spoke boldly against false teaching, why shouldn’t we? Why shouldn’t we as Believers WARN those who might not know the truth?
“And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.” Acts 9:29
It’s not attacking Theo, we are to tell people, and warn them of those things which the Bible doesn’t teach. Cults are very dangerous, Dr. Martin was an expert in what they believed.
Look at 2 Timothy – again he tells them to “reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” We as Born Again Believers are to do NO LESS. Dr. Martin understood the importance of “SOUND DOCTRINE” and he used his life to warn those who might fall into, false doctrine or had fallen into its clutches to KNOW the TRUTH.
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2 Timothy 4
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Theo – 29
Theo, the moment Jesus said “I and my Father are ONE” Jesus was taking title. That’s why the Jews wanted to stone him, He had made it clear HE JESUS, was God the Son –
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10
In verse 33 the Jews realized immediately that Jesus was saying that HE was God “I and my Father are one” – - – - the Jews knew what that meant, it meant that Jesus was making Himself God, as in verse 33. The Jews knew what Blasphemy meant, and as far as they were concerned Jesus had committed blasphemy.
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Theo
I notice in your Bio that you say you believe in the divinity of Jesus, but then later say you are non-Trinitarian – how does that work?
How can you be both, it’s contradictory.
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Amen, Vic!
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LOL!!! I love the circular firing squads…
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Hamachitwo
Are you twirling around firing your BB gun again? I knew it had to be YOU! LOL
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I wonder where Theo is?
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I have to work. Sorry I can’t be online 24 hours.
I noticed you stopped in quoting John before you got to Christ’s answer. Gets trickier there. You seemed to have avoided Christ’s response.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jesus is saying it is not blasphemy because those who receive the word of God can be called gods in the scripture. He therefore is not blasphemous by claiming to be the Son of God. Notice he said “Son of God” and avoided the title of “God”.
Jesus never claims the title of God but claims to be one with God and to be the Son of God.
30 I and my Father are one.
Jesus also says that a husband and wife are one flesh. He also prays in John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
It seems that oneness is more figurative than physical.
On the subject of seeking the title of “Doctor” in Matthew 23 it says:
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Seems that these men who claim the title of “Doctor” are seeking to be given honors of men. Especially when they haven’t earned it.
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Theo
And I thought you stayed awake full time, on LINE!
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My post 33 below
I notice in your Bio that you say you believe in the divinity of Jesus, but then later say you are non-Trinitarian – how does that work?
How can you be both, it’s contradictory.
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How can you believe in the Divinity of Christ and not believe in the Trinity. I asked you this question and you have not answered it –
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The Trinity puts Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit as the same substance, co-equal, and co-eternal.
I do not think this is biblical. The Bible puts the Father as greater than the Son. The Son is begotten of the Father. They therefore cannot be co-eternal. The Son was forsaken by the Father on the cross. They are therefore no co-substantial.
Jesus is certainly divine as He is the only begotten Son of God. He is also perfect and has a oneness with the Father that we are seeking.
He also defers to the Father in all things. Jesus did not seek his own will but the will of the Father.
Jesus has a oneness with God the Father that makes Jesus divine. He is not however equal to God the Father despite this oneness.
There is not a need to discuss this in depth. My opinion is that the trinity was a concept developed in the 4th century and it is not fully supported by scriptures.
I also don’t believe that the Bible is 100% accurate and precise. It is written by imperfect men who are trying to describe a relationship with the divine. There are no perfect books. There are no perfect men. We therefore must make our best guesses using imperfect sources.
I respect your opinion on the Bible but disagree with your interpretation of it.
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I hadn’t thought about Huckabee much before today. He came and preached at a local charismatic church and I went to hear him. What a fantastic speaker!
Not only that but he hopped up on stage and started playing bass guitar with the worship band. He’s quite good. The worship leader is blind, but someone must have told him that Huckabee was wearing a tie. The leader laughed and said this was the first time ever that a band member wore a tie. Everyone laughed an Huckabee tore his tie off.
Later in the day I watched some speeches by Huckabee and noticed that energy independence was his primary message. That is also my number one issue. So I think I am warming up to the guy. I believe I may vote for him, even though he has no chance of winning (maybe).
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BioJosh #7 It is sad that a Christian leader as Huckabee is being called would stand on a stage and be dishonest about his in state tuition bill for illegal aliens.
There is a lot of confusion about this. The problem is that Huckabee proposed a bill that would give children of illegal immigrants who were in the Arkansas school system for their entire lives the same access to meritorious scholarships as their peers had. The reasoning was that the children should not pay for the sins of their parents. There was no special treatment for illegals.
However, as the bill made its way through the sausage grinder of government, all of the merit provisions were stripped away. So you are right, Huckabee keeps speaking of what he proposed vs. what was eventually voted on.
It looks like the bill ultimately failed to pass so the point is moot. So is it disingenuous to speak of the bill he proposed or should he speak of the stripped down version that ultimately failed anyway?
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Xion,
Are you worried about Huckabee’s leadership and organizational skills. His campaign brags about its lower fundraising and lack of advertising. Isn’t that something you should not be proud of. Giuliani and Romney make his campaign look weak and incapable. Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are all show stronger organizations as well.
I like Huckabee’s personality and character but he lacks organization, leadership, novel ideas, and solid planning.
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Theo
What kind of organizational skills do Clinton, Obama and Edwards exhibit?
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#43 Are you worried about Huckabee’s leadership and organizational skills.
Do the candidates run the campaign organizations, or do the organizations run them?
I kind of like the idea of someone without all the professional glitz and spin. Can he win? Not a chance! But I like the guy anyway.
Imagine a race where all the candidates and their organization are from the Ozarks! Woo-doggy, fire up those fiddles boys! Of course, Hillary would roast the guy on a spit and that would be the end of that. Hell hath no fury …
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Xion,
After some of the reports, and news, you just never know. Huckabee just might be the ‘MAIN TICKET’ stranger things have happened – and this one would be a winner -
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This endorsement isn’t probably as huge, but today he got the endorsement of Tim and Beverly LaHaye. Beverly LaHaye is the Founder of Concerned Women of America. On an equally important note on the state level – he recieved an endorsement from Chuck Hurley, who is the executive director of the Iowa Family Policy Center, and he is a very influential voice among evangelicals in Iowa.
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