God’s Word, Candidates’ words
Why is Mike Huckabee, despite a lack of support from some supposed evangelical kingmakers, picking up sizeable evangelical backing? It’s because he apparently has the spiritual leanings of a George W. Bush but the ability to articulate them that Bush lacks.
If you missed last night’s YouTube Republican presidential candidate debate, check out the responses of three hopefuls after a video questioner thrust forward a Bible and aggressively asked, “Do you believe every word of this book?”
Giuliani and Romney both sputtered and worked hard to pick out their words carefully (note Giuliani’s mention of “modern context” and Romney’s non-mention of the Book of Mormon). Huckabee seemed relaxed and authentic. Here’s the transcript from CNN:
Emcee Anderson Cooper: Mayor Giuliani?
Huckabee: Do I need to help you out, Mayor, on this one?
(Laughter)
(Applause)
Giuliani: Wait a second, you’re the minister. You’re going to help me out on this one.
Huckabee: I’m trying to help you out.
Giuliani: OK. The reality is, I believe it, but I don’t believe it’s necessarily literally true in every single respect. I think there are parts of the Bible that are interpretive. I think there are parts of the Bible that are allegorical. I think there are parts of the Bible that are meant to be interpreted in a modern context.
So, yes, I believe it. I think it’s the great book ever written. I read it frequently. I read it very frequently when I’ve gone through the bigger crises in my life, and I find great wisdom in it, and it does define to a very large extent my faith. But I don’t believe every single thing in the literal sense of Jonah being in the belly of the whale, or, you know, there are some things in it that I think were put there as allegorical.
Cooper: Governor Romney?
Romney: I believe the Bible is the word of God, absolutely. And I try…
(Applause)
… I try to live by it as well as I can, but I miss in a lot of ways. But it’s a guide for my life and for hundreds of millions, billions of people around the world. I believe in the Bible.
Cooper: Does that mean you believe every word?
Romney: You know — yes, I believe it’s the word of God, the Bible is the word of God.
The Bible is the word of God. I mean, I might interpret the word differently than you interpret the word, but I read the Bible and I believe the Bible is the word of God. I don’t disagree with the Bible. I try to live by it.
Cooper: Governor Huckabee?
Huckabee: Sure. I believe the Bible is exactly what it is. It’s the word of revelation to us from God himself.
(Applause)
And the fact is that when people ask do we believe all of it, you either believe it or you don’t believe it. But in the greater sense, I think what the question tried to make us feel like was that, well, if you believe the part that says “Go and pluck out your eye,” well, none of us believe that we ought to go pluck out our eye. That obviously is allegorical.
But the Bible has some messages that nobody really can confuse and really not left up to interpretation. “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
And as much as you’ve done it to the least of these brethren, you’ve done it unto me. Until we get those simple, real easy things right, I’m not sure we ought to spend a whole lot of time fighting over the other parts that are a little bit complicated.
And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don’t fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small.




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Shocking a preacher handled a theological question better than a business man and a lawyer! It is just to bad that Huckabee also filled the evening with dishonesty on his bill that would have given in state tuition to illegal aliens. He said it was for scholarships and merit based only which is simply a lie it said in the bill that he pushed that any student who was in Arkansas schools for three years was eligiable for in state tuition even if there were not here legally. He needs to be called for these lies, we do not need another President from Hope who is willing to distort the truth and mislead the American people.
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As I said in another thread, Ghouliani’s a modernist.
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Mike Huckabee said, “And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don’t fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite God, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small.”
It is fine to discuss the nature of God, even in a debate, but Huckabee was right to answer with some humility on this point.
I am a passionate believer in the doctrine of the trinity, for instance. However, I also realize that a real understanding of the true nature of God remains far beyond my grasp. I also realize that the word “trinity” does not even appear in the Bible. Thus, I relish discussions on that topic and I argue passionately FOR it, but I do not use this term as a pretext for applying tests of faith on my fellow believers, nor will I divide the body of Christ over my opinions on the very nature of God (because my own opinions on that are too flawed to use them for that purpose).
What matters is that we humbly acknowledge our sins, repent of them and believe in Jesus (God’s Son) who came down to earth to show us as much about the Father as the human mind can grasp–that He is just, He is love and he is faithful and forgiving to those who repent.
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The only thing we need to believe about the Bible is that in it “We are told that Christ was killed for us, that His death has washed out our sins, and that by dying He disabled death itself.” — C.S. Lewis Mere Christianity.
Of course once this truth is accepted, all the rest of the Bible is revealed as truth as well. Even the story of Jonah, whom Jesus Himself said pointed to Him.
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spiritual leanings of a George W. Bush????
Pat Buchanon spelled out Bush perfectly. He said that Bush wants to transform the entire world into his view of what democracy should be. He said Bush has been a disaster and the only one that doesn’t know that is Bush.
You can’t compare anyone to Bush. It’s not fair to them. Bush is a pretend mystic.
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Bush is a humanist who speaks Christianese. Huckabee actually comes across as authentic.
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#3: Mike Huckabee said, “And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree
He also said that “pluck out your eye” is a metaphour and not to be taken literally as are other things in the Bible.
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Interesting. I would much prefer a candidate who said something along the lines of “The Bible is a great book, but let’s talk about something that really matters in this campaign, and that is the Constitution of the United States…”
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“he apparently has the spiritual leanings of a George W. Bush”
Is that a reference to Bush’s membership in Skull and Bones, where he took an occultic vow as part of membership? Not exactly the kind of president I am looking for.
Give me someone that believes that they are bound by the Constitution and has a record to prove it.
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BIOJOSH, do you have any links you could share regarding Huckabee and education for illegals? I’ve heard that accusation before, but have never been able to find anything to back it up.
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Stephen, why do you say that Bush is a humanist? I’m not disagreeing. I want to know what you’ve seen/heard that led you to that.
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Here is a link to the bill
http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/ftproot/bills/2005/public/HB1525.pdf
And here is the bill the key is the last paragraphs.
Stricken language would be deleted from and underlined language would be added to the law as it existed
prior to this session of the General Assembly.
*KAC234* 04-11-2005 19:35 KAC234
State of Arkansas 1 As Engrossed: S3/31/05 S4/11/05
2 85th General Assembly A Bill
3 Regular Session, 2005 HOUSE BILL 1525
4
5 By: Representatives Elliott, Blount, Chesterfield, Clemons, Davis, Dobbins, Goss, W. Lewellen, Rainey,
6 L. Smith
7 By: Senators Wilkins, Steele, Brown
8
9
10 For An Act To Be Entitled
11 ACCESS TO POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION ACT OF 2005;
12 AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
13
14 Subtitle
15 ACCESS TO POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION ACT OF
16 2005.
17
18
19 WHEREAS, there are children of undocumented immigrants who have lived
20 in Arkansas most of their lives; and
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22 WHEREAS, most of these children have spent their formative years in
23 Arkansas elementary and secondary schools; and
24
25 WHEREAS, many of these children have proven their academic ability by
26 graduating from an Arkansas high school; and
27
28 WHEREAS, many of these children are precluded from accessing an
29 affordable college education because they do not qualify for in-state tuition
30 rates or state-supported scholarships; and
31
32 WHEREAS, educational opportunities should be offered to all children so
33 they may contribute to the future economic viability of Arkansas,
34
35 NOW THEREFORE,
36 BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS:
As Engrossed: S3/31/05 S4/11/05 HB1525
2 04-11-2005 19:35 KAC234
SECTION 1 1. (a) This act shall be known as the “Access to
2 Postsecondary Education Act of 2005”.
3 (b) Any tuition rate that is granted to residents of Arkansas shall be
4 granted on the same terms to all persons, regardless of immigration status,
5 who have attended a secondary educational institution in Arkansas for at
6 least three (3) years and who have either graduated from an Arkansas high
7 school or received a general education diploma in the state.
8 (c) In addition to the requirements under subdivision (b) of this
9 section, a student without documented status shall file an affidavit with the
10 state-supported institution of higher education stating that the student has
11 an intent to legalize his or her immigration status.
12 (d) The Arkansas Higher Education Coordinating Board shall promulgate
13 the rules necessary for implementation of this act.
14
15 /s/ Elliott
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If you listened carefully to the debate, you might have noticed that at one point, Senator McCain castigated Ron Paul (correctly in my view) for his constant references to our failing in in Iraq.
At another point in the debate, however, McCain himself made that very same claim.
Hmmm.
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The tuition bill sounds wonderful to me. Why punish a child for the “sins” of their parents? I like Huckabee – he’s not an angry Christian. I don’t like his politics, but I like him.
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At first glance, not supporting Huckabee may appear to be strange behaviour for evangelicals but these are the same people who supported Bush. They would rather support a man who patronized them rather then a man of principle.
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HRW, I think you have that reversed. We supported Bush because he said, and we believed, that he was a man of principles. Big disappointment. Maybe that is the way it is with all politicians. Principles are something you profess to so that you can get into office. Once there, they are easily discarded.
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Alan Keyes should have been included in these debates.
CNN poised to exclude Alan Keyes from Florida debate
He’ll be on the ballot for the primaries in Georgia. If he weren’t, I would have voted for Huckabee.
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Sorry, I still have not figured out the link thing.
http://www.alankeyes.com/articles/071127debate.php
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Anlir
If he is going to take my money, as a citizen of Arkansas, and provide a free college tuition to illegals, he had better offer me the same opportunity.
I didn’t have anyone offer to pay my way.
If your going to give away a college education, you had better start with your own citizens.
Anything else is an offense worthy of a pitch-fork and torch wielding riot.
And I would lead the charge.
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Mr. Meaner,
It’s not free tuition. It’s the same rate as Missouri residents pay. You can go for the same amount as they can. Actually, according to the bill, they have to pass a few more hurdles than an in-state resident does.
It’s a good think Joseph & Mary didn’t seek shelter in America. Talk about your ultimate illegal aliens!
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anlir
That is the way it was dressed to appear.
If you’ll notice the phrase “state supported scholarships”, that leaves enough gray area where some future legislation can use the letter of the law, and find some “just social cause” to provide free education to the “oppressed minority”.
Also the bill above was the finished version that was voted on. And it was watered down to attempt to address the issues I brought up.
The fact remains that Huckabee thinks that tax revenue is his money to dole out as he sees fit.
(Romney did an excellent job of calling him out on this last night.
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BTW, I doubt Joseph would have brought Mary over so Jesus could be an anchor baby, to get free services that other people payed for.
You know..the whole thou shalt not steal thing,
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You all missed the point rather you agree with giving illegals benefits over Americans or not Huckabee lied he did not change his mind or switch his postion he flat lied to everyone and this was not the first time he has done this. He did when he got hit on taxes and now he is doing it on illegal immigration policy and no one will hold him to it. Also
“Any tuition rate that is granted to residents of Arkansas shall be
4 granted on the same terms to all persons, regardless of immigration status,
5 who have attended a secondary educational institution in Arkansas for at
6 least three (3) years and who have either graduated from an Arkansas high
7 school or received a general education diploma in the state.”
This means that if you are in Mexico and want your kid to go to college you can move to AR and get huge discounts on what you pay compared to someone who has been serving in Iraq and comes home and decides to go to AR but is from MO.
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Alan Keyes should have been included in these debates.
If Alan Keyes belongs in the debates, then so does the homeless guy downtown who’s always ranting about something or other to passerby. He’s got as much credibility as, and more integrity than, Alan Keyes.
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Wherein does Keyes lack integrity?
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Pam,
Alan Keyes has long been for reparations based on skin color to redress injustices well over 100 years ago. That is both unreasonable and unconstitutional. He’s a fine orator, but we need better thinkers than this.
Let Mr. Keyes work to win a lower office and then work his way up with experience. He wants too much all at once. No politician who thinks and feels that way can get much good done in the long run.
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Pam,
It is awesome that Alan Keyes has the courage to speak up boldly. I like to listen and his voice needs to be heard. But to vote for him now is to throw away your vote (which you have a right to do). I suggest, for what that’s worth, that you vote for someone who shares your convictions AND who has actively put his political passions into practical public service and has an effective political record of experience.
I think we have several Republican candidates from which to choose with decent convictions and also with some real life experience making a difference politically with those convictions. We need someone as willing to work hard as they are willing to speak out boldly. Keyes only does one of those things well.
Your vote is not cheap. Don’t throw it away too easily.
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Interesting point, Joel. That is one thing that alarms me about Rudy G. (among other things). Going from mayor to President… not so sure about that. Keyes spent 11 years with the US State Department. Are you saying he should have more experience serving in an elected office?
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Considering what Alan Keyes did to his own daughter, I wonder if his minister is “Fred Phelps”? It wouldn’t suprise me. Alan Keyes is what is rotten with the Repubublican party. It needs to be cored. Good, patriotic Americans want it back from the lunitic right fringe.
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Ronald Reagan said of Alan Keyes, “I have never known a more stout-hearted defender of a strong America than Alan Keyes.”
Alan Keyes was Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations in Ronald Reagan’s administration.
He was the highest ranking person of African-American decent in the Reagan administration.
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