Thinness next to godliness?
A new study finds that nearly every woman – no matter her weight – thinks she just isn’t thin enough. A Cornell University professor and graduate found that half of underweight women want to stay the same weight or get thinner, and 90% of normal-weight women still want to lose weight.
The researchers said women idealize a body weight and shape that doesn’t match healthy standards. Travis Stewart, director of ministry relations for Remuda Ranch (a Christian eating disorder treatment center), said the church should think about how it addresses body image and eating disorders.
“We tend to take those diagnosed with eating disorders and put them in a category and say that they’re different from ourselves,” Stewart said, but many women without a full-blown disorder still see their bodies inaccurately and may under-eat or over-exercise.
Stewart said anorexic girls tend to be perfectionist, a problem that a performance-based, legalistic church can worsen. He cited Lilian Calles Barger, author of Eve’s Revenge: Women and a Spirituality of the Body, who says thinness has replaced chastity as a virtue. Modern women believe that a strong, self-controlled, virtuous woman is a woman who exercises and controls her eating. This reflects Stewart’s own experience counseling girls who say they feel pride or shame based on what they eat: “Think about the implications of that in the church. The most self-controlled, the most godly woman is the woman who controls what she eats, exercises.”
Stewart said the church needs to have a deeper discussion about the theology of the body. We say that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, but what does that mean? “We don’t really challenge the cultural view that our body is primarily sexual,” Stewart said. “I think the church would do well to understand a person as a whole person.”




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Good grief. Put some clothes on that woman.
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That picture is either really old or she is rewearing a red carpet dress from over a year ago.
Kira Knightly was on the cover of US weekly in an article of extreme thiness last year in the same dress.
Yeah, she’s an extreme example of gross. Or at least she was, last year.
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Kira is gorgeous. That just happens to be a very bad picture of her.
Yes, society pressures all of us to lose weight and women feel it more acutely. Truth is though that most people could stand to drop at least 10 pounds for their health.
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“Baby Got Back” had it right. You have to check out at least the top two. But all of these are great and so funny.
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Luke: You’re right, the picture is old and I think Keira Knightley has gained weight since then. The point of the picture is that Knightley (and other actresses and other ordinary people) may not have full-blown eating disorders, but may still be undereating, overexercising and becoming too thin. To be diagnosed as anorexic, you have to weigh 85% of a healthy body weight. So you can be starving yourself and still not be anorexic in the technical sense of the word.
DC Lawyer: Interestingly, the study stated that overweight people also wanted to be thinner, but they didn’t want to lose enough weight to become a normal, healthy weight.
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When the Ghandi movie was a big hit, the joke circulated that it was so popular because Ghandi was what everyone in Hollywood aspired to be: thin and tan.
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Keira used to be gorgeous before she got so very thin. Now her proportions are off and she’s not nearly as attractive.
Regardless, the point is a good one, though I’m not particularly concerned with the fact that 90% of women with a normal weight still want to lose some. The fact is that a normal weight covers a fairly large margin of difference and most people tend to look more attractive on the lower end of that margin. So long as attractiveness is not defined to a point of being unhealthy, all is well. The problem isn’t with the principle that thin is more attractive than thick (it’s true), it’s that people take that general principle and apply it to an extreme. It’s precisely the same problem our society has with equating sexual attractiveness with youth. The first leads to eating disorders, the latter — when taken to the extreme — leads to pedophilia.
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I would add that all of the men I know state that they don’t like that excessively thin look for women. Women are supposed to have some – not excessive but some curves (and some soft padding over the bones).
I would put it this way, if the man you’re with wants you to be built like a 12 year old boy, then you should find a straight man to be with.
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Kira looks hungry. Her chest looks like a fifteen year old boy’s.
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I was at the doctor’s office a few months ago and I was disturbed to see the weight to height chart, with ranges given for overweight and obese. But no range for underweight!
What message does a chart like that send to a potentially anorexic young woman?
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“a problem that a performance-based, legalistic church can worsen”
Perhaps you could have added “parents” and “authority figures” with “church” to the above.
Keira looks really happy in the picture. Isn’t that what’s important? It’s funny that first thing a lot of people will do when talking about issues of weight is mention anorexia and give an example of some poor girl who is “way too thin.” Seems to me, judging by the surface is what is perpetuating these problems of obesity and anorexia to begin with. If someone is happy, confident, and self-assured and happens to also be “underweight” or “overweight”, then who really has the weight problem? The accuser or the accused?
“Keira Knightley’s friends and family have banned her from reading newspapers, because they make her so angry”
Guess what? She’s not an anorexic. World is only perpetuating gossip. How Christian is that? Her friends will ban her from Worldmag now!
I’ve know naturally skinny people who have resorted to eating TOO MUCH for lack of confidence in their own body. “Put some meat on your bones, kid!” I’ve heard that myself.
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“a problem that a performance-based, legalistic church can worsen”
Perhaps you could have added “parents” and “authority figures” with “church” to the above.
Might as well add media, friends, peers, newspapers and television as well. They can be as “legalistic” and “performance based” as the rest.
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She looks like Winona Ryder in that picture, as in gaunt.
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Man. Talk about perpetuating self-consciousness about weight. Tell me, Bianca. Would you tell her to her face that she looks gaunt? That her chest looks like a 15 year old boy’s? While it may be the truth, it would be rude, insensitive, and superficial.
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Put some clothes on is right or maybe better yet, find another picture.
My 5 yr old grandson saw the picture come up before I did – he asked me “why is that girl dressed like that?” Exactly.
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Wig,
No, I wouldn’t tell her to her face that she looks gaunt or that she has a teenaged boy chest. I’d probably just sit her down for three month’s worth of meals at our dining room table.
Kiera is a beautiful woman, and I’ve seen her in movies where she looks healthy, but this is one picture where she looks plain awful. And I don’t mean awful as in “what a dog.” I mean awful as in unhealthy and starved. Women in the entertainment and modeling industries are pressured to be thin constantly. Why do you think Mary Kate(or Ashley)had problems? Candice Bergen’s parents had to get her a personal trainer when she did Full House
because people thought that she was too fat. It’s sick.
Women are supposed to have more body fat than men in order to bear children and sustain a pregnancy through a famine. But I digress.
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Sorry, not Candice Bergen – Candice Cameron. Got my celebs mixed up!
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Stewart said the church needs to have a deeper discussion about the theology of the body. We say that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, but what does that mean? “We don’t really challenge the cultural view that our body is primarily sexual,” Stewart said. “I think the church would do well to understand a person as a whole person.”
We could start by respecting the context of the passages we cite. Ironically, the passage that calls our bodies temples of the Holy Spirit is specifically in reference to the effect sexual sin has on us as opposed to other sin (1 Corinthians 6:18-20).
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
If we want a theology that explains what any relevant scripture means, it would be wise to read the scripture in context. I think that is what the church needs to understand a person as a whole person who struggles with sin. That way we can understand that being fat is not sinful, but being a glutton is.
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“I’ve seen her in movies where she looks healthy, but this is one picture where she looks plain awful.”
This picture is not a movie. Movie’s often do not portray reality in action, plot, or personal appearance. Perhaps you are so familiar with the illusion created by movies that the reality of her appearance in person seemed shockingly different.
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BTW, I’ve seen woman who had her body type, could eat all they wanted, but still stayed thin.
“Women are supposed to have more body fat than men in order to bear children and sustain a pregnancy through a famine”
Sure. And men are supposed to club woman on head for wife, hunt for food, and live in caves. What geological period do you come from?
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It is interesting that we allow men to have a little meat on their bones, but women are to have none.
I have never had a female friend who was happy with her weight. They all say they are too fat, no matter how skinny they are. I try to tell them otherwise, but it goes in one ear and out the other.
The females in my life who are overweight do seem to have some self-esteem issues. Unfortunately, we men especially send them the message that they need to be prettier and skinnier. Popular culture, corporations, and the media don’t help things either.
But then I look at women like Queen Latifa and Cameron Manheim and I’m happy that they are cool with their weight and the way they look. I hope more women will look to them instead of the fashion industry and movie stars.
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Wigwam,
Whatever geological period the Bible was written in, that’s my address, Hon.
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A Thin Person “Weighs In”
I’m genetically predisposed to be thin. My father made Barney Fife look fat. I saw a photo taken of him about the time he married my mom, thus about age 35, in which he looked like he was seriously undernourished. I knew this man, but my jaw still dropped open at the photo. But I, like Dad, basically “can’t” gain weight. (And I’m not as thin as he was, either–I’m an inch and a half shorter and about the same weight he was in his 60s.)
I regularly get “credit” for my self-control (in reality I like chocolate), and people feel free to say anything and everything about my size. Apparently it’s the first thing people notice about me, which puzzles me a little; except for thin arms, the rest of me is “normal.”
When I was younger, and a bit thinner, I got even more comments. Some of them were jokes, like telling me how fat I was; it made me wonder if people say stuff like that to anorexics, which they then take seriously. (Everyone else is being polite, but Amanda told me the truth, that I’m fat.)
In college, I was the thinnest person in a freshman PE class. The teacher talked about anorexia repeatedly, and I really wanted to take her aside and tell her my genetic history and to tell her I wasn’t anorexic or bulimic but I WAS tired of the subject! And then, the end of the year the PE class had to take a “fat test.” Guess what? I turned up as right exactly in the center of my ideal body density. I, the thinnest person in the class, a bit underweight, the subject of jokes about my weight, was “perfect” by the charts.
One of my brothers (an ideal weight, not overweight) told me he once saw a weight chart that separated by bone size (a good idea). My family is definitely small-boned. I can touch every one of my fingers to my thumb around my wrist. (I do have long fingers.) Well, my brother saw that if he had a bone size two levels up he would still be considered overweight; as it was, he was considered “obese.” The weight charts, in other words, are obscene.
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I can’t grow a thick healthy looking beard. I suppose I won’t make it through the next ice age. Good thing we have global warming. Do I have a facial hair problem? Perhaps I’m mentally stunting facial hair growth or I secretly pluck facial hairs in my sleep. Maybe everyone should assume I’m a freaking mental case just like Knightley.
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Don’t dispair, Wig. Beards are nice on men, but they don’t make the man.
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Wiglaf – don’t worry too much about the beard. You can probably find a manly man type to club an animal and get its skin for you befor the next ice age sets in.
You were off target in slamming Bianca – women are indeed designed to carry more body fat in order to sustain pregnancies. That we don’t, at the moment, have as much need for that design feature doesn’t make it any less a design feature.
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Having had friends who died of anorexia, I’ve read books on the subject and one thing often emphasized is once in the anorexic state, women no longer can look at a mirror and objectively see how thin they are.
I thought that a little odd, until I went on a diet this year myself and lost 20 pounds. I would read the scale and not believe I had lost the weight–even though I bought the scale brand new for this occasion. If my clothes hadn’t started feeling looser, I would not have believed it. I thought I looked exactly the same in the mirror.
And then people started congratulating me on my wonderful weight loss and several people didn’t recognize me. (Okay, I have new glasses, and now short hair, but I didn’t think I had changed that much).
None of you on the blog noticed.
My health stats are much better now, but I still would like to lose more weight–10 pounds would be terrific, and 20 perfect. See how insiduous it is? My husband, by the way, is perfectly happy with me. Or at least he says he is . . .
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Thin just doesn’t do it for male llamas. There needs to be some meat on them haunches before any shape can be discerned.
Thin just looks sick. I know I make a point to talk to really thin thin women and it always starts out “are you Ok” – “Why sure I am comes the reply”. I say (Thank goodness, praise the Lord, you look like death warmed over and I thought for sure you might be dying from some horrible wasting disease.”
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Oh I know Bianca,
Remember when DJ was starving herself to go to that pool party and she passed out at the gym? TRAGIC!
Cheryl, I have exactly the same body type. Not only can i touch my thumb and pinky together around my wrist, I can do it unsubstantially up the length of my arm (not quite halfway to my elbow). I tell people I’m actually not THAT flaming a queer, I just really do have pretty week wrists.
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You know who says great things about body image?
Tyra…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ5unYaNd3c
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I think Tyra Banks has a lot of valid things to say. I was hopeful too with the advent of the actress America Ferrera. She has alas succombed to the thinness myth.
I have to agree that Keira looks ghastly. And let me say upfront while this image might be something other women or H’wood photographers are proud to celebrate, I’m hard pressed to find a man out here in Red State flyover country who would find that gal to be a prizewinner.
I once read that Marilyn Monroe would be deemed a bit on the hefty side by modern-day standards.
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We each have to come to a personal peace about our looks, our genetic make-up, our weight, our temperaments, etc. After all, we’re not going to get an 100% ‘thumbs-up’ from the world. Ain’t gonna happen.
I like the way I look, but would never be described as skinny. I could lose weight according to the charts, but actually like my size and shape. (So does my husband, and so do my friends).
Still, I’m no stranger to the constant nagging done by magazines, television, and officious people from one of my home towns. I actually enjoy answering back when it comes to any discussion of looks and weight.
Why do we have to be so cookie-cutter? God is infinitely more creative than that. It’s narrow minded to see beauty only in thinness/leanness. There are body types to consider.
I know this: Life is too short to fall into that much self-consciousness. You may not have a tomorrow, or for that sake, a next moment. Think on things more eternal and more uplifting.
Sure, look your best. Who doesn’t like that?
But don’t compare apples to pears. We are each fearfully and wonderfully made.
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Are you home, Sawgunner?
I hope so…
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Hey, I am the exact same height and weight as Marilyn Monroe and I don’t think I’m chunky! (I’m also the same height and weight as MLK,Jr too, but that’s not as flattering to mention). I eat well and run 16 miles a week. While I have never been discribed as a venti, grande and largo have come up.
I married into a family like Cheryl D’s. Out of my seven kids four got my hubby’s skinny side and three got my robust build. My oldest son is a stout defensive end while my next son is a great wide reciever, but can’t eat enough to gain even that proper weight.
But for my girls it is tough. None are overwieght, but they reflect both sides of the family. Those who take after my husband can and do eat anything they want. It is the daughter who takes after me I have to watch to make sure she eats enough. My girls were discussing this recently and they think models and actresses have thier effect, but the biggest factor is feedback from men.
My oldest and thinnest was recently brought into a conversation wtih a table of businessmen. She is a waitress and used to men flirting. But they were asking her about another waitress and the biggest guy at the table–downright fat–said that she was too chunky for his taste. Tip or no tip my daughter went off on a little-too-loud tirade about the gross double standard men have. It got a round of applause from the womenfolk in the restaurant and left Mr. Fatso red-faced. All her women tables tipped well, the other businessmen seated with the fat one all slipped her a 20 and the female manager kissed her.
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Adios – Most of the men I know freely admit to likely the somewhat rounded look in women – a heathy weight, but not anywhere near fashion/Hollywood standards.
It is like women uniformly saying they want tall men – but apparently being, for the most part, very happy with lesser statures.
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Personally, I like women on the thin side. Ava Gardner melted me. My wife, even in her late sixties, has remained elegantly thin. The buxom Monroe and Parton types have their place, though they lack class.
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Adios and everyone else,
Yep I’m back. We start today (3 Dec Monday) our “reintegration training”. That whole thing came about after men came back from Afghan war 1.0 and began suicide/homicide rages. (Brittle marriages dont get any less brittle after the hub has been abroad in a war)
We have two daughters. The way body size/shape is allocated is a great mystery. Daughter T will most likely be “willowy” as some phrase it. H will have a lifelong battle. Luckily H is our sports minded daughter and we will utilized that to its best advantage.
I have seen siblings where the boy is rake handle thin and the daughter even has an “is she pregnant?” tummy bulge.
Long ago I concluded the only thing you judge as it is walking away from you is a bull or cow at a lifestock auction or “sale barn”.
On a different note, we went to a community center “breakfast with Santa” where local half-time drill teams did (surprisingly tasteful, non-trashy) drill-dance routines. One gal whose parents attend our church was there and did a good job. No, she WAS NOT one of the gals held aloft by her team-mates but she did all the steps in right cadence.
Ive always wondered if drill or cheer teams can still exclude a gal who might be a tad overweight. Seemed as though the more tubby gals were often consigned to marching band (although even some of them played on the tennis team).
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People obsess about their bodies way too much. God made us the way we are for a reason. and as long as you’re treating your body respectfuly, there should be no reason to fret.
I too have had times of discontent over my body, but we are made in God’s image, and bashing our bodies, verbaly or actualy is disrespecting our creator.
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