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The holiday Nazi
The holiday Nazi just came up to my office to remind me to stop calling our Christmas party a Christmas party (in a jolly email from yesterday). I never thought it would happen to me. She says I may be offending a Jewish man who works with us. He is a buddhist, I say back. And he doesn’t care. And so I was glad to read this paragraph, where a rabbi says Christians should do a better job of defending Christmas:
There is nothing wrong with sleigh bells, Bing Crosby, and Christmas pudding, but I should hope Christians would want more than just that, and as Christmas becomes more and more secularized, I am not sure they get it [...] In the end, the problem of Christmas is not mine any more than Christmas itself is. The real Christmas challenge belongs to Christians: how to take Christmas out of the secularized public domain and move it back into the religious sphere once again.
Rabbi Lawrence Hoffman said that. It comes from an article in Christianity Today from 14 years ago, back when the War on Christmas was just on the horizon of the American landscape. The author’s suggestion for how to take back Christmas? Start with Easter.
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Mmm, my boss called it the “Christmas Party” but signed the evite “Happy Holidays.” Is that like Bill O’Reily’s version of purgatory?
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Harrison, you are hopelessly antediluvian soul, totally unfit for post-modern reality. Get with the modernist program, or that office Nazi might obtain your pelt.
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I think I will create a religion based around the Drama Queen.
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When our family celebrates the birth of Christ it is in an atomosphere of faith. When I go to the office Christmas party I don’t expect a religious expereience. They are two different things.
When our church celebrates the birth of Christ it is a gathering of like-minded faith. When I go to the mall or the gas station and say “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Chanukkah” I’m being polite not participating in a cultural or public adoration of Christ.
The secular Christmas is sleigh bells and Bing Crosby, the “religious” Christmas is mangers and Hark the Herald. Why would we or should we force one upon the other?
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Well said, Adios.
Our party is a “Mid-Winter Party” and I have no problem with that – other than forgetting and saying “Christmas party” occasionally – but no one seems to care. The HR manager says that she has to call it by its right name, but she’s not particularly concerned whether the rest of us are consistent about it.
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My problem is that we’re not calling spades spades. It’s not a holiday party. It’s a Christmas party. That’s what it is. To call it anything else is to lie. You don’t have to be a Christian to come to a Christmas party, but you do have to admit that’s what it is. I’m offended, not as a believer, but as an American whose culture celebrates a particular holiday, with a particular name, during a particular time of year. It’s no big deal, but it kind of is.
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Adios, Pauline
For shame! How dare you inject an aura of reasonableness into the War for Christmas!!!! ;D
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I always laugh whenever someone posts something about an upcoming Winter Holiday Party. I actually saw such a thing at the Brooke Army Medical Center down in San Antonio
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I don’t go to my employer’s X-mas party, because all it is is a bunch of high school teachers letting it all hang out, and acting like a bunch of high school freshman- i.e. immature.
And please don’t get on my case about X-mas in this post, as the party has nothing to do with Christ, and neither does any other office party this time of year. So, HSK- your boss is correct in leaving Christ out of it, unless you work in a Christian business that has alcohol-free parties.
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HSK,
On what based do you assert that it is a Christmas party? Is a party celebrated in December necessarily a Christmas party? Is it because there were poinsettias for centerpieces at our party? Or because they gave out cards with a gift certificate in them, that those must have been Christmas gifts?
It is true that in previous generations, companies had Christmas parties in December for their employees. The vast majority of people (in this country) were assumed to be Christian, if only because they weren’t Jews or Muslims or Hindus or some other religion. So it was natural to call the party a Christmas party, since it went along with what people considered the “Christmas season” (though from a liturgical point of view this is the season of Advent and Christmas does not begin until Dec. 25) and was a good opportunity for employers to give gifts to employees and boost company morale.
The Christmas parties I remember from my first years as a working adult had nothing in common with the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ except the name, but everyone was used to calling it that. Now that there are more people among us who are adherents of other religions, and a great many who celebrate Christmas only as a secular holiday and would do the same if the holiday were renamed Winter Holiday or Yule or whatever, it seems perfectly logical to me to change the party’s name to reflect that. It’s a party for the sake of having a party, and the time frame leading up to Christmas simply happens to be a convenient and traditional time to have it.
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HSK: My problem is that we’re not calling spades spades. It’s not a holiday party. It’s a Christmas party. That’s what it is. To call it anything else is to lie.
What about any co-workers who may be celebrating other religions’ holidays during the winter season, Harrison?
You know, I don’t think it matters much whether your employer calls it Christmas or Holiday or “Chuck’s Magic Eggnog Drinking Fest.” But to say it must be a Christmas party only is arrogant.
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I think Jesus would refuse to identify with much of our Christmas celebrations and would prefer that we call it the holidays. On the other hand, the PC minders get a bit wearisome as in the case of our local grade school where students in first through fifth were instructed not to say Merry Christmas.
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Pauline,
I think it’s safe to say that in the United States, most places of employment have some kind of party this time of year (say, mid-December). This is a cultural phenomenon. The root of all the shopping, the party-going, the general celebration and lights and trees and pageants and office parties and whatnot is generally acknowledged as being rooted in the Christian tradition of Christmas.
That’s why I call it a Christmas party, and why I really don’t like it being called other things. Again, I’m NOT offended as a Christian. I’m offended as a member of the culture who seeks to preserve and perpetuate the artifacts of the culture. That has less to do with Christianity and more to do with America.
To call it a “holiday” party (despite even the Latinate root of that word) is to deny the historicity of the Christmas season. And denying history, even in such silly venue as the annual office party, is not something I want to do.
But this is not a battle worth fighting in my office, or on this thread. I will submit to the holiday Nazi.
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This is really driving me nuts.
STEVEG,
All those people celebrating other holidays are welcome to come to the Christmas party. I will also be celebrating my friend’s birthday this week, but I won’t be calling our office party a “Christmas-slash-Kelly’s-birthday-party” Party. Calling a Christmas party a “Christmas party” doesn’t exclude others from having other kinds of parties. But to impart the cultural weight of Christmas to less-culturally relevant holidays like Hannukah is to deny history.
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. . . we’re not calling spades spades . . .
Maybe, if she is not really a Nazi, she might be right, that the party is in fact a holiday party. Unmasking her would be a good way of demonstrating the true nature of the party as a Christmas party. Plus, if she is a Nazi, you could denounce her after a round of “O Tannenbaum”
Harrison, is there any chance this party will be a barbecue? I’m curious, because that’s how we celebrate all the holidays here. Easter, Memorial Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Fourth of July. They are all barbecues.
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Dear Mr. Moth,
I will try my best. It is a clam-bake. Possibly roasting a hog. May have hog nog. May have cheese log.
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Steve G, et al:
Here’s the test that shows the bottom line: if Christmas had never existed, or was during another part of the year, would this party tradition ever have started?
Answer: no.
We don’t have office parties for Purim or Yom Kippur, do we? Nope.
For the summer solstice? Nope.
For Imbolc or Beltane? Nope and nope.
It may no longer be politically correct to call it a Christmas party . . . but Christmas-”time” is the reason we have this party in late December.
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To clarify: I intended to write, “Here’s the test that shows the bottom line: if Christmas had never existed, or was during another part of the year, would this tradition of a party in Decemberever have started?”
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The politico is reporting this bizarre story:
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) has introduced a resolution (H.Res. 847) saying, and I am not making this up, that Christmas and Christians are important. The House is scheduled to vote on this groundbreaking resolution on Tuesday.
Here’s the text of H.Res. 847, just so you know how important Christianity and Xmas are:
“Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.
Whereas Christmas, a holiday of great significance to Americans and many other cultures and nationalities, is celebrated annually by Christians throughout the United States and the world;
Whereas there are approximately 225,000,000 Christians in the United States, making Christianity the religion of over three-fourths of the American population;
Whereas there are approximately 2,000,000,000 Christians throughout the world, making Christianity the largest religion in the world and the religion of about one-third of the world population;
Whereas Christians identify themselves as those who believe in the salvation from sin offered to them through the sacrifice of their savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and who, out of gratitude for the gift of salvation, commit themselves to living their lives in accordance with the teachings of the Holy Bible;
Whereas Christians and Christianity have contributed greatly to the development of western civilization;
Whereas Christians and Christianity have contributed greatly to the development of western civilization;
Whereas the United States, being founded as a constitutional republic in the traditions of western civilization, finds much in its history that points observers back to its roots in Christianity;
Whereas on December 25 of each calendar year, American Christians observe Christmas, the holiday celebrating the birth of their savior, Jesus Christ;
Whereas for Christians, Christmas is celebrated as a recognition of God’s redemption, mercy, and Grace; and
Whereas many Christians and non-Christians throughout the United States and the rest of the world, celebrate Christmas as a time to serve others: Now, therefore be it
Resolved, That the House of Representatives–
(1) recognizes the Christian faith as one of the great religions of the world;
(2) expresses continued support for Christians in the United States and worldwide;
(3) acknowledges the international religious and historical importance of Christmas and the Christian faith;
(4) acknowledges and supports the role played by Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization;
(5) rejects bigotry and persecution directed against Christians, both in the United States and worldwide; and
(6) expresses its deepest respect to American Christians and Christians throughout the world.”
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Hmm. Personally I don’t have a problem with #1 and #3-6 but doubt that #2 is constitutional. Congress is busy now, too. And didn’t the government cover all this when Bush lit the national Christmas Tree?
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Dad Dog at #17:
Here’s the test that shows the bottom line: if Christmas had never existed, or was during another part of the year, would this party tradition ever have started?
Answer: no.
How do you know? We can’t test the hypothetical, so who knows?
It isn’t the point, though. The point is that Christmas is, correctly understood, a sacred Christian event.
There is also the secular phenomenon called Christmas, with the trees and lights and consumerism and all, but I am not sure why Christians would want to encourage people to confuse the two.
As I said in #11, I don’t really think it matters what it’s called. I am going to my office’s Christmas party tomorrow, and will call it by that name and will have a good time. But I will know that as I eat and exchange gifts with my Jewish, Muslim and atheist co-workers along with the Christians, that we are celebrating the secular Christmas, not the religious one.
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Sounds like Rep. Steve King (from right here in Iowa) has things right.
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LOL! I shoulda guessed!
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Scroop at #20: Personally I don’t have a problem with #1 and #3-6 but doubt that #2 is constitutional.
I have no problem with #1 and #3-5, but I reserve the right to disrespect silly ideas like young-earth Creationism.
I share your reservation on #2.
Congress is busy now, too.
Oh, but there is never anything more pressing than passing an unneeded feel-good resolution.
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Did Jesus tell us to celebrate His birthday? Did he even tell us when it was? Wasn’t Herod the only one in the bible having birthday celebrations? There was something that Jesus said to do in remembrance of Him, I just can’t remember what it was!!
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#17 and 18
Yes, its called the winter solstice. The pagans celebrated with gift giving, trees, and parties. The Christians stole the holiday.
#19
How does this feel good look at me type of legislation even make it on the agenda? Did the people of the US actually elect their representatives to discuss this type of do-nothing nonsense or are they supposed to run a government with a domestic and foreign policy?
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I understand Harrison’s point and I’ve thought often about this kind of stuff, especially the whole “war on Christmas” thing. I think there might be something else at play in all this fussin’ and feudin’:
I think it’s more cultural, than religious.
Allow me to explain:
When the rabbi talks about “sleigh bells” and “Bing Crosby”, that evokes a certain memory in people that they cherish. When I see the movie “Home Alone”, where Kevin is in the church yard by the Nativity scene, that evokes a powerful memory of the church in my neighborhood when I was a kid. It’s a spitting image of the church I walked by every day on my way to school.
We all have certain holiday traditions that we cherish, especially from our childhood. At one time there were some fairly common American traditions around Christmas. A fair amount of it was around religious celebrations, but not entirely. Every country and culture has their traditions around holiday celebrations.
When I hear people talking today about how they miss the way certain things were, it’s understandable. My mom reminisces all the time about going downtown and shopping for Christmas, and all the department store windows that had Christmas displays that were animated and lit up.
To some people, saying “Merry Christmas” is a wonderful thing, because that’s what they grew up with. To some people, going to midnight mass on Christmas eve is something they would never miss, because it means so much to them to celebrate the birth of Jesus. To other people, it’s “Happy Holidays” and a more secular celebration. My mom has Christmas cards from 40 years ago that say “Happy Holidays” on them. She has cards that show the Santa Claus made popular by Montgomery Ward store.
Today, people’s idea around the holidays is different. They’re establishing their own traditions and ways of celebrating. And some day they too will complain about how great it used to be in the days gone by. I think of the Billy Joel song “We Didn’t Start The Fire”.
Company policies and traditions change. At one time, companies sent their employees home with a Christmas ham. How many do that anymore? At one time, companies threw lavish Christmas dinner parties. Now they do luncheons. And the language of business has changed. At one time, you addressed your boss as “Mr. ____”. Now, it’s more informal. Times change and people change.
The point is, I think a lot of the “hoopla” around Christmas is an anger that things aren’t the way they used to be. It’s really difficult to do things in a new/different way, when the old way seems so much better.
I’m of the mind that we each should keep alive our traditions in our families, our friends, and our houses of worship. But in the business world and the public domain, where this country has become much more diverse, we will all have to do some adjusting. There’s no point in being angry about it, because, whether we like it or not, change will happen. I also know that there will always be “Scrooges” who will complain no matter what happens. I’m of the opinion one should ignore the extremes at either end of the spectrum.
Christmas is only 2 weeks from today. It will be over before we know it. So just enjoy the ride and ignore the complainers and the troublemakers.
However you celebrate the holidays, be safe and enjoy!
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Psalm Singer – 25
__ “Did Jesus tell us to celebrate His birthday?” __
No Jesuss did not tell us to celebrate His birthday, HOWEVER, He didn’t tell us NOT to celebrate either -
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Christmas Day, December 25th, is an Official United States Federal Holiday, no other occasion mentioned by anyone here is. So, whether you’re celebrating the secular or the holy, that’s why you’ve [probably] got the day off. And it’s a Christmas Party, to which all are invited. If friends and acquaintances of other [or no] faiths want to have parties, let them. I’ll go to theirs and wish them a happy occasion, too.
http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_Schedules/fedhol/2008.asp
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Anlir, solid points throughout. But was it really necessary to bring Billy Joel into the discussion? I’ve got that stinking pile of Boomer nostalgia wrapped in a vapid song stuck in my head now…
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“#19
How does this feel good look at me type of legislation even make it on the agenda?”
HRW, this is the kind of stuff the Obstructionist Republicans put out there to appease their “culture warrior” Fox News watching base. It’s one of the reasons nothing gets done.
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Excellent and thoughtful comments, Anlir–AND Rob
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HSK,
Since the way Americans have celebrated Christmas for the past couple centuries is quite a recent development in the broad scope of history (even if only Christian history is considered), I can’t say it bothers me to let this particular bit of history (the office “Christmas” party) go by the wayside.
I would prefer to work at keeping alive traditions related to Advent, which many churches barely recognize. I loved our family Advent celebration as a child, lighting the Advent candles, reading appropriate Scripture passages, and singing Christmas carols in various languages.
I would love to go Christmas caroling house to house, but it’s been twenty years since I found a group to do that with. Some groups go caroling to shut-ins, which is of course also a good thing. But I found something very appropriate about caroling to everyone on the street, regardless of whether we knew them, that expresses the generous giving of the Christmas season.
I’m happy to continue the tradition of the Christmas tree. I like my Christmas ham and mincemeat pie.
And I’m happy to pass on the stories and movies of Christmas that I grew up with, even though they don’t really go very far back in history – A Christmas Carol, The Other Wise Man, The Night Before Christmas, and the even more recent How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Amahl and the Night Visitors, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, and A Charlie Brown Christmas.
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HSK,
I could not find “Holiday Nazi” in the Urban Dictionary, it does however suggest you may be a “Christmas Nazi.”
….just the messenger….
1. Christmas Nazi
A person obsessed with making sure that everything from public offices down to the stores you go to conform to his cultural beliefs during the Christmas Holiday season. (hit the link for more of the definition)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christmas+Nazi
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I think if the atheists and agnostics have a problem with calling winter parties a “Christmas party,” they should start at the top and petition Congress to change the name of the official “Christmas” holiday.
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This morning I heard a new song on the radio that is a snarky, pro-Christmas sing played by the Christian “rock” station. Words singer sings are to the effect that it’s my country, too, and the country was founded as a Christian nation, and if you don’t like hearing the word Christmas, put a helmet on. Christmas with a capital C. While I may agree with the sentiment, the song’s quite tacky, and indeed, a little rude.
If you google “UK Christmas defense” you may be surprised to learn that the Muslims are coming to the defense of Christmas. Read the Telegraph article if you find it.
I also just read that a ten minute movie is being made by a Dutch politician that is so anti-Muslim that the Netherlands is bracing for a riot when it is shown in a month.
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On my blog I have posts about two Jewish men, Ben Stein and Barry Farber, who both think Chrisitans are being pushed around. Ben Stein and Barry Farber, two Jewish men, say that they like Christmas and even enjoy it when people wish them a Merry Christmas.
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Concerning the pro-Christian bill mentioned in comment #19, I believe it is a response to prior bills honoring other religions. It seems fair to me to recognize the main religion in the US, if other religions have already been recognized in that way.
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Anlir’s comment seems pretty accurate to me, and I believe it actually supports what Harrison Scott Key is saying. If we consider this question from a solely cultural position, is it wrong for some of us to still want the American holiday of Christmas recognized at work, at school, and in public squares? (HINT: Can cultural features ever be right or wrong?)
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Here’s a link to an article about the House resolution that recognized Islam and Ramadan.
http://indiapost.com/article/usnews/1386/
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Here’s a more reliable source.
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Here’s the resolution recognizing several Asian religions and the holiday of Diwali.
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Outkast: I think if the atheists and agnostics have a problem with calling winter parties a “Christmas party,” they should start at the top and petition Congress to change the name of the official “Christmas” holiday.
December 25 is Christmas. Duh.
The whole month of December is not Christmas, and indeed includes holidays recognized by other faiths.
Once again, this is not complicated.
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Being in charge of our company’s holiday decor, so far we’ve received 18 cards with some version of “Happy Holidays” or “Season’s Greeting” on them and 5 cards that say “Merry Christmas”. Some cards are just awful! I don’t know why businesses even send them out, they’re so bad. One I refuse to post is a picture of a skyscraper (their firm, I presume) and a palm tree – with no lights. It’s just a picture of downtown Miami or something.
I guess you’d call me the “Decorating Nazi” because nothing get put up (at Christmas especially) without my approval!
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Re: “Happy Holidays!”
I think the phrase originally referred to Christmas and New Year’s. (I’m sure it didn’t refer to Kwanzaa or Eid al Fitr.)
It’s not really the phrase that bothers me, as it is the rules that some people have imposed against the C-word.
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Kyle … you’re probably right, but even so, “Happy Holidays” is hardly an attack on either Christianity or Christmas. This “war on Christmas” nonsense is about as phony as issues get.
We live in a society that includes people of many faiths? Why exclude them from celebrations by insisting they must be specifically “Christmas” and therefore Christian?
I just find the whole thing very silly.
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The owner of my company is a virulent anti-Christian. He mandates that the party be called a Holiday Party and just to make sure there is no confusion, it is held at the end of January when there are no “holy days”. Strangely though, he has a tree and gives his kids presents.
Atheists make no sense.
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Xion,
I’d be curious to know why you continue working there if this guy is as bad as you indicate? Why be miserable?
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Another point, employers are caught in a no-win situation these days. They’ve got employees from all persuasions and religions (and non-religion). It takes away from company time and the work at hand to have to deal with disputes over religion and holidays and parties and who gets which holiday off, etc. So I can’t say I blame an employer for putting the kibosh on the whole thing. While I would be very sad if my employer did that, I’d understand. If employees can get along amicably over celebrating holidays, no one can blame an employer for ending all celebrations. It’s really secondary to the purpose of work.
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Oops!
If employees can’t get along…
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Xion didn’t say his boss is bad — just that he’s wrong on this particular issue.
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Victoria/#28,
Does your reasoning apply to worship as well?
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#46 Anlir says, “I’d be curious to know why you continue working there if this guy is as bad as you indicate? Why be miserable?
I’m not miserable. The problem is his, not mine. I like my job and I like my boss. He is just confused, that’s all.
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Anlir,
Don’t look now, but there is a big ugly hate filled monster following you.
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H20,
I know.
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Xion,
Ok. Your words describing him were quite strong (”virulent anti-Christian”). You also talk about him issuing “mandates”. Most people would assume the guy’s an ogre from those words.
If my boss were a “virulent homophobe” and issuing “mandates” that were anti-gay, I’d quit in a heartbeat because I’m gay.
Perhaps he’s not as bad as your words indicated?
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Joel: Have you noticed how the atheists and anti-Christians on this blog love to make hateful statements about us? (Don’t look now, but there is a big ugly hate filled monster following you. and I know) and then complain about how we are the ones being intolerant?
I better watch out for the FBI around my house today now!
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Sorry, post 53 should have been directed at Xion, not Joel. I think they both understand, though!
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28 Victoria
No Jesuss did not tell us to celebrate His birthday, HOWEVER, He didn’t tell us NOT to celebrate either –
By that logic, Victoria, we could say Jesus did not specifically tell us when and where to worship. He also did not tell us a lot of things you would not want people doing.
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I think the important thing when reflecting on and celebrating Christ’s birth is that we remember the reason He came to earth in the first place — which was to die for our sins (atone), rise again (conquer) and ascend (reign).
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Happy Solstice, everyone!
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Anlir, Ok. Your words describing him were quite strong (”virulent anti-Christian”). You also talk about him issuing “mandates”. Most people would assume the guy’s an ogre from those words.
Well, he’s as at least as nice as you are.
Yup, he’s virulently anti-Christian. No question about it. He got mad at me for having a “God Bless America” bumper sticker after 9/11. He said, “I can’t believe you can be so jingoistic!” When we travel together he attacks my beliefs and we debate evolution ’till the wee hours.
But that’s no different than what I get here, from you even. But I like you both and actually enjoy the challenge.
If my boss were a “virulent homophobe” and issuing “mandates” that were anti-gay, I’d quit in a heartbeat because I’m gay.
You shouldn’t quit because people disagree with you. Oh, and by the way — you are not really “gay”. You just act that way. Is that an anti-gay thing to say, or is it simple disagreement?
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#53, 54. Yeah Outkast, I was wonder who exactly was the hate filled monster?
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Funny, Xion, that complaints were filed against me this afternoon for calling H2 “hollow,” yet these anti-Christians are allowed to call an evangelical Christian on an evangelical-based blog an “ugly hate-filled monster” without any recourse?
Not that I’m complaining, of course. I’m used to name-calling from my political and social and religious opponents. I’m just a little curious why the anti-Christians complain at the drop of a hat about an honest description of their reasoning, while they resort to such name-calling . . .
Things that make us go Hmmmm . . .
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Who filed a complaint against you, Outkast? It certainly wasn’t me. I actually found it amusing, if not ironic.
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HAPPY SOLSTICE to you, DCL!
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I wasn’t accusing you, #61, nor was I complaining. I was just noting that you referred to me in those terms. Can’t you do any better at name-calling that to refer to me as “ugly” and “hate-filled?
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#63, The comment does not refer to you, does it? Or are you saying you are following Anlir around?
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H2 – I’m curious as to how you figure that anyone is “following” you around. Isn’t it the norm for most everyone to go from thread to thread?
Ed/Qwerty used to accuse me of following him around and is why I’ve decided to ask you about this. I made very few comments in response to a multitude of Ed’s comments and yet any time I did, he cried “Foul!”
Honestly, it appears to me that you’re bordering on harrassment concerning Outkast. Not that you care what my opinion is – just saying.
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VS,
I never said anyone is following me around…
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VS: It seems that our buddies Ham/Lon and Anlir are having some sort of affair. Don’t they make a cute (though unnatural) couple?
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