Comments on: What a bunch of crybabies http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:06:14 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-2/#comment-251496 musing Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:27:00 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-251496 bob buckles post 53, but of course the university is not presenting one side of the argument, if for no other reason than liberal and leftist are so unspecific as to provide minimal information. within this ceontext there is still huge variability. And in fact there are any number of intellectual conservatives who find universities very pleasant. What you must accept, however, is the model of evidenced based anaysis. As outkast and victoria have been careuflly pointing out, this makes it tough for certain forms of religious models to work smoothly in a modern academic environment. bob buckles post 53,

but of course the university is not presenting one side of the argument, if for no other reason than liberal and leftist are so unspecific as to provide minimal information. within this ceontext there is still huge variability.

And in fact there are any number of intellectual conservatives who find universities very pleasant.

What you must accept, however, is the model of evidenced based anaysis. As outkast and victoria have been careuflly pointing out, this makes it tough for certain forms of religious models to work smoothly in a modern academic environment.

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-2/#comment-251432 rdean Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:23:28 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-251432 #53: Why does anyone have to be convinced? Christians want to convince scientists that spend their entire careers pursuing scientific knowledge that they are wrong and "God did it". So is that leftist? Doe that make determined ignorance "conservative"? Wah wah. Physics, biology, botany, physiology, Math, English, engineering, none of these are "leftists". Unfortunately, I suspect there are few of the super religious in these fields. Why? Are they too busy crying about imaginary “leftist” universities that they prefer to stay away from evil education? You should also stay away from the benefits of science. It’s not fair to complain about it and then rely on it. It’s only “crocodile” tears. #53: Why does anyone have to be convinced?

Christians want to convince scientists that spend their entire careers pursuing scientific knowledge that they are wrong and “God did it”. So is that leftist? Doe that make determined ignorance “conservative”?

Wah wah. Physics, biology, botany, physiology, Math, English, engineering, none of these are “leftists”. Unfortunately, I suspect there are few of the super religious in these fields. Why? Are they too busy crying about imaginary “leftist” universities that they prefer to stay away from evil education? You should also stay away from the benefits of science. It’s not fair to complain about it and then rely on it. It’s only “crocodile” tears.

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]]> By: Bob Buckles http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-2/#comment-251288 Bob Buckles Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:38:33 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-251288 #45 RDEAN My point is,If someone is only presented with one side of an arguement, only one view of a controversy, one point of view on politics then there will only be one answer. This is unlikely to give good answers. It has been amply demonstrated that the academy is Leftist, Liberal. What kind of education will a student get? This is a bad idea. Why does anyone have to be convinced? Why is there even a question that it should be changed? Where's the beef? #45 RDEAN

My point is,If someone is only presented with one side of an arguement, only one view of a controversy, one point of view on politics then there will only be one answer. This is unlikely to give good answers.

It has been amply demonstrated that the academy is Leftist, Liberal. What kind of education will a student get? This is a bad idea. Why does anyone have to be convinced? Why is there even a question that it should be changed? Where’s the beef?

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-2/#comment-250972 rdean Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:44:17 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250972 TO #48: You can't use the invented "info" from a site that has such an agenda. Any group that advocates people disowning their own children is not focused on the "family". TO #48: You can’t use the invented “info” from a site that has such an agenda. Any group that advocates people disowning their own children is not focused on the “family”.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-2/#comment-250838 musing Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:36:32 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250838 amphipolis post 50, indeed well spoken. The academic competition will in the end win out. amphipolis post 50,

indeed well spoken. The academic competition will in the end win out.

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]]> By: Amphipolis http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-1/#comment-250825 Amphipolis Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:17:00 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250825 There are both Christian and secular conservative schools. Let them compete with the feminist, pacifist, multi-cultural, PC fluff schools for the best students. If the elite universities don't offer elite clases, students will go elsewhere. There are both Christian and secular conservative schools. Let them compete with the feminist, pacifist, multi-cultural, PC fluff schools for the best students.

If the elite universities don’t offer elite clases, students will go elsewhere.

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-1/#comment-250808 musing Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:49:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250808 Harrison Scott Key, You do indeed keep managing to provide interesting twists and turns! It certainly keeps ones interest up! You are anything but predictable! Thanks! Harrison Scott Key,

You do indeed keep managing to provide interesting twists and turns!

It certainly keeps ones interest up! You are anything but predictable!

Thanks!

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]]> By: SteveHu http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-1/#comment-250807 SteveHu Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:45:31 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250807 #45 Is this an example of a straw man argument? I don't see the "Because the Bible says so" argument at work among those who know better. Example: http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000001140.cfm #45
Is this an example of a straw man argument?

I don’t see the “Because the Bible says so” argument at work among those who know better. Example:

http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000001140.cfm

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]]> By: Harrison Scott Key http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-1/#comment-250792 Harrison Scott Key Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:11 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250792 JJF, and others: You can't "agree" or "disagree" with a good story. It's not a proposition to be confirmed or refuted. Knowing this as I do, I can always enjoy a well-told story, no matter who does the telling. That's one problems Christian conservatives have when reading literature. They try to fit it into their worldview bucket, but the best stories don't fit in worldview buckets. JJF, and others:

You can’t “agree” or “disagree” with a good story. It’s not a proposition to be confirmed or refuted.

Knowing this as I do, I can always enjoy a well-told story, no matter who does the telling.

That’s one problems Christian conservatives have when reading literature. They try to fit it into their worldview bucket, but the best stories don’t fit in worldview buckets.

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]]> By: Stephen http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/comment-page-1/#comment-250759 Stephen Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:37:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/11/what-a-bunch-of-crybabies/#comment-250759 Tisk-tisk, Harrison -- you could have answered JJF very nicely without denigrating Rousseau! Tisk-tisk, Harrison — you could have answered JJF very nicely without denigrating Rousseau!

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