Comments on: Cucumbers and butterflies http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:38:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: HamachiTwo http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251948 HamachiTwo Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:30:48 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251948 Naked Firemen and Cucumbers and Butterfly threads? What in the world is going on around here???!!! Naked Firemen and Cucumbers and Butterfly threads? What in the world is going on around here???!!!

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]]> By: Cheryl D. http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251859 Cheryl D. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:43:32 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251859 Pauline, Your name is supposed to link to your website, but it won't let me. Could you e-mail me? (extra dot extra at juno com) Pauline,

Your name is supposed to link to your website, but it won’t let me. Could you e-mail me? (extra dot extra at juno com)

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]]> By: Pauline http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251739 Pauline Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:08:58 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251739 Cheryl D., My sister used to live in Chicago - she worked at Moody Bible Institute. She told me she knew one of the people who created those books, though I can't remember if it was Lindvall or Puckett. I find that what the church uses for adults is not necessarily the same as what is used in classes for children, where they are assigned memory verses. NIV and NIrV are similar enough for many verses that I'm not sure which one my son is learning his verses in. I learned most of the verses I know in KJV in churches/schools where it was the only version allowed. I have tried learning some in other versions, but they don't "stick" - I don't know if it's because I'm in my 40's now, or because even the verses that I didn't memorize as a teen became so familiar to me in the KJV that nothing else sounds "right." I finally started trying to memorize 1 Peter in Greek, which I know well enough to do the translation into something that sounds like a synthesis of various English versions. Cheryl D.,
My sister used to live in Chicago – she worked at Moody Bible Institute. She told me she knew one of the people who created those books, though I can’t remember if it was Lindvall or Puckett.

I find that what the church uses for adults is not necessarily the same as what is used in classes for children, where they are assigned memory verses. NIV and NIrV are similar enough for many verses that I’m not sure which one my son is learning his verses in.

I learned most of the verses I know in KJV in churches/schools where it was the only version allowed. I have tried learning some in other versions, but they don’t “stick” – I don’t know if it’s because I’m in my 40’s now, or because even the verses that I didn’t memorize as a teen became so familiar to me in the KJV that nothing else sounds “right.” I finally started trying to memorize 1 Peter in Greek, which I know well enough to do the translation into something that sounds like a synthesis of various English versions.

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]]> By: Cheryl D. http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251729 Cheryl D. Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:42:13 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251729 All right, on the subject: I got children's Bibles for my girls, but it wasn't anything splashy: Early Reader's Bible, NKJV. Hard-cover (durable) with a kid-friendly cover, but it basically is a Bible with a few extra line drawings and probably more kid-friendly material in the back. I hate seeing "designer" things like metal covers that try to make the packaging look "cool," as though the Bible needs an apology. I recommend against kid <i>versions.</i> Don't get the NIrV or something like that. Child years are prime years for memorizing, so get a version that is worthy of being memorized and explain what kids don't understand. I personally don't like the NIV; I think it takes too many liberties. But if my church used it, I'd happily get it for kids. As my church uses the ESV and I use the NKJV, I figured I needed to choose between those two versions, and I chose the one I use, which is probably a little simpler anyway. All right, on the subject: I got children’s Bibles for my girls, but it wasn’t anything splashy: Early Reader’s Bible, NKJV. Hard-cover (durable) with a kid-friendly cover, but it basically is a Bible with a few extra line drawings and probably more kid-friendly material in the back. I hate seeing “designer” things like metal covers that try to make the packaging look “cool,” as though the Bible needs an apology.

I recommend against kid versions. Don’t get the NIrV or something like that. Child years are prime years for memorizing, so get a version that is worthy of being memorized and explain what kids don’t understand. I personally don’t like the NIV; I think it takes too many liberties. But if my church used it, I’d happily get it for kids. As my church uses the ESV and I use the NKJV, I figured I needed to choose between those two versions, and I chose the one I use, which is probably a little simpler anyway.

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]]> By: Cheryl D. http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251722 Cheryl D. Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:35:23 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251722 Pauline, Ella Lindvall is a friend of mine. (I spent Christmas with her family my last three or four years in Chicago.) There are four in that series, and Moody started a similar series (Tell-Me Stories) that ended up having just one title, Parables Jesus told. It's even better than the Read-Alouds, I think. (Slightly brighter colors, a hint of the gospel in each story.) Then Kent Puckett died, so it was his last book to illustrate. I give Parables Jesus Told at every baby shower, and consistently, two or three years later the new mom will come to me and say that book is her child's favorite. I had seven- to nine-year-old neighborhood children in Chicago, poor readers, who read those books every time they came by, for months. They were far "too old" for them, but they liked them, and they helped them establish the habit of reading and then move on to harder books. I sent Parables home with my foster kids when they left me in October, along with the Psalm 23 poster from their wall. Pauline,

Ella Lindvall is a friend of mine. (I spent Christmas with her family my last three or four years in Chicago.) There are four in that series, and Moody started a similar series (Tell-Me Stories) that ended up having just one title, Parables Jesus told. It’s even better than the Read-Alouds, I think. (Slightly brighter colors, a hint of the gospel in each story.) Then Kent Puckett died, so it was his last book to illustrate.

I give Parables Jesus Told at every baby shower, and consistently, two or three years later the new mom will come to me and say that book is her child’s favorite. I had seven- to nine-year-old neighborhood children in Chicago, poor readers, who read those books every time they came by, for months. They were far “too old” for them, but they liked them, and they helped them establish the habit of reading and then move on to harder books. I sent Parables home with my foster kids when they left me in October, along with the Psalm 23 poster from their wall.

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]]> By: Psalm Singer http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251684 Psalm Singer Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:44:04 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251684 I thought version selection was all a matter of personal preference for many years. Recemntly I found out that the American Standard, 1901, is the only version that corrected the KJV's misuse of the word divorce. (Our modern translations do not have this correction) Since divorce is so common, and the reason for divorce, "putting away" is just as common, it is vital that our generation learn the difference between them and which one God truly hates. I thought version selection was all a matter of personal preference for many years. Recemntly I found out that the American Standard, 1901, is the only version that corrected the KJV’s misuse of the word divorce. (Our modern translations do not have this correction) Since divorce is so common, and the reason for divorce, “putting away” is just as common, it is vital that our generation learn the difference between them and which one God truly hates.

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]]> By: Kim http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251669 Kim Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:19:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251669 I grew up in Christian school and to this day wish I could find my copy of the KJV Student Bible. It had all sorts of cross references and details I haven't been able to find in any other Bible. When I taught Disciple Bible Study I used the New Oxford Standard. Loved it too. I grew up in Christian school and to this day wish I could find my copy of the KJV Student Bible. It had all sorts of cross references and details I haven’t been able to find in any other Bible. When I taught Disciple Bible Study I used the New Oxford Standard. Loved it too.

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]]> By: EYG http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251651 EYG Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:04:38 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251651 My friend just bought her great niece the most interesting looking bible. It was a pink hardcover, had a large, plastic pearl strand as a handle and resembled a little girl's dress-up purse. She thought it was terribly cute for a 5 year old. I don't know what I think. My friend just bought her great niece the most interesting looking bible.

It was a pink hardcover, had a large, plastic pearl strand as a handle and resembled a little girl’s dress-up purse.

She thought it was terribly cute for a 5 year old.
I don’t know what I think.

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]]> By: Cathy in NOLA http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251644 Cathy in NOLA Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:52:31 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251644 I just recently bought my almost 7yo son a Bible, mainly b/c his reading level is so good. I had though to get an NIV but I looked up what the reading levels were for each translation I found that the NKJV was comparable. I have issues w/ NIV at points and our family Bible is NKJV so.. Anyway, I found a slightly damaged (bumped edge, I think) copy with large print for $7 at CBD. I got a cover for it for about $5. My mom even embroidered his name and a dragon (his request) on it, which he loves. He now brings his Bible to church and follows along with the pastor (which, as has been pointed out, can be hard when the preacher uses NIV). He manages, though. As for children's Bibles, I've never been happy with any I found. It always tricks the stories out so that they're mostly unrecognizable. I'd like a book with pictures of lots of Bible stories, maybe from older paintings, and leave me free to condense the story myself. I just recently bought my almost 7yo son a Bible, mainly b/c his reading level is so good. I had though to get an NIV but I looked up what the reading levels were for each translation I found that the NKJV was comparable. I have issues w/ NIV at points and our family Bible is NKJV so.. Anyway, I found a slightly damaged (bumped edge, I think) copy with large print for $7 at CBD. I got a cover for it for about $5. My mom even embroidered his name and a dragon (his request) on it, which he loves.
He now brings his Bible to church and follows along with the pastor (which, as has been pointed out, can be hard when the preacher uses NIV). He manages, though.
As for children’s Bibles, I’ve never been happy with any I found. It always tricks the stories out so that they’re mostly unrecognizable. I’d like a book with pictures of lots of Bible stories, maybe from older paintings, and leave me free to condense the story myself.

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]]> By: mmacmurray http://online.worldmag.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/comment-page-1/#comment-251639 mmacmurray Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:40:30 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/14/cucumbers-and-butterflies/#comment-251639 Since our church uses the ESV, we got our oldest son an ESV children's Bible, ordered from Crossway. It's about 9" high x 6" wide and has a hardcover, red, with white on the front cover where the title is. The binding seems decent. It is a red-letter edition (my husband and I both prefer the black-letter edition). It has pictures, including some that are supposed to be Jesus, and I might not have gotten it if I'd realized that ahead of time. But he likes having his own Bible and does try to follow along during the Scripture readings (he's 5), then often looks at the pictures during the sermon. His Christian school uses the NIV, but "version confusion" isn't really a factor at this point. Once he's reading, he'll have to use the NIV at school. Since our church uses the ESV, we got our oldest son an ESV children’s Bible, ordered from Crossway. It’s about 9″ high x 6″ wide and has a hardcover, red, with white on the front cover where the title is. The binding seems decent. It is a red-letter edition (my husband and I both prefer the black-letter edition).

It has pictures, including some that are supposed to be Jesus, and I might not have gotten it if I’d realized that ahead of time. But he likes having his own Bible and does try to follow along during the Scripture readings (he’s 5), then often looks at the pictures during the sermon.

His Christian school uses the NIV, but “version confusion” isn’t really a factor at this point. Once he’s reading, he’ll have to use the NIV at school.

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