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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops ... block quote formatting issue!  :-)

Umm, that&#8217;s not exactly correct, Miss Vickie. Here&#8217;s the straight dope:&lt;blockquote&gt;ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA &#8211; According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is being done by FOX, not by the GOP. Note well:&lt;blockquote&gt;Fergus Cullen, Chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party issued this news release:&lt;blockquote&gt;FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: December 31, 2007
Contact: Fergus Cullen, Chairman, New Hampshire Republican Party

NH REPUBLICANS: DON&#8217;T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS

CONCORD &#8211; New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:

&#8220;Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate &#8211; not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.&#8221; 

&#8220;Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.&#8221; 

&#8220;The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.&#8221;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;And lastly, do you really think that the MSM news networks will be able to bar Paul in future debates after he finishes a close 3rd in Iowa behind a tied/very close race between Huckabee and Romney?

If they try that, the people won&#8217;t allow it. And it&#8217;ll only make Paul stronger.

Keep whislting past the graveyard, Vickie &#8230;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8230; block quote formatting issue!  <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Umm, that&#8217;s not exactly correct, Miss Vickie. Here&#8217;s the straight dope:<br />
<blockquote>ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA &#8211; According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is being done by FOX, not by the GOP. Note well:<br />
<blockquote>Fergus Cullen, Chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party issued this news release:<br />
<blockquote>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
Date: December 31, 2007<br />
Contact: Fergus Cullen, Chairman, New Hampshire Republican Party</p>
<p>NH REPUBLICANS: DON&#8217;T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS</p>
<p>CONCORD &#8211; New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:</p>
<p>&#8220;Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate &#8211; not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>And lastly, do you really think that the MSM news networks will be able to bar Paul in future debates after he finishes a close 3rd in Iowa behind a tied/very close race between Huckabee and Romney?</p>
<p>If they try that, the people won&#8217;t allow it. And it&#8217;ll only make Paul stronger.</p>
<p>Keep whislting past the graveyard, Vickie &#8230;
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Victoria (197):&lt;/b&gt; Did you read good &#8216;ole Ron Paul&#8217; was pulled from the &#8216;debates&#8217;?

&lt;b&gt;Frank:&lt;/b&gt; Umm, that&#039;s not exactly correct, Miss Vickie. Here&#039;s the straight dope:&lt;blockquote&gt;ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA &#8211; According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.&lt;blockquote&gt;This is being done by FOX, not by the GOP. Note well:&lt;blockquote&gt;Fergus Cullen, Chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party issued this news release:&lt;blockquote&gt;FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: December 31, 2007
Contact: Fergus Cullen, Chairman, New Hampshire Republican Party

NH REPUBLICANS: DON&#8217;T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS

CONCORD &#8211; New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:

&#8220;Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate &#8211; not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.&#8221; 

&#8220;Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.&#8221; 

&#8220;The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.&#8221;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;And lastly, do you really think that the MSM news networks will be able to bar Paul in future debates after he finishes a close 3rd in Iowa behind a tied/very close race between Huckabee and Romney?

If they try that, the people won&#039;t allow it. And it&#039;ll only make Paul stronger.

Keep whislting past the graveyard, Vickie ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Victoria (197):</b> Did you read good &#8216;ole Ron Paul&#8217; was pulled from the &#8216;debates&#8217;?</p>
<p><b>Frank:</b> Umm, that&#8217;s not exactly correct, Miss Vickie. Here&#8217;s the straight dope:<br />
<blockquote>ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA &#8211; According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.<br />
<blockquote>This is being done by FOX, not by the GOP. Note well:<br />
<blockquote>Fergus Cullen, Chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party issued this news release:<br />
<blockquote>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
Date: December 31, 2007<br />
Contact: Fergus Cullen, Chairman, New Hampshire Republican Party</p>
<p>NH REPUBLICANS: DON&#8217;T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS</p>
<p>CONCORD &#8211; New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:</p>
<p>&#8220;Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate &#8211; not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>And lastly, do you really think that the MSM news networks will be able to bar Paul in future debates after he finishes a close 3rd in Iowa behind a tied/very close race between Huckabee and Romney?</p>
<p>If they try that, the people won&#8217;t allow it. And it&#8217;ll only make Paul stronger.</p>
<p>Keep whislting past the graveyard, Vickie &#8230;
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank

Keep plugging along, ....... we love all the silly contributions, ETC.,

Did you read good &#039;ole Ron Paul&#039; was pulled from the &#039;debates&#039;?  He&#039;s not even in the running - Who would have ever &lt;b&gt;GUESSED?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank</p>
<p>Keep plugging along, &#8230;&#8230;. we love all the silly contributions, ETC.,</p>
<p>Did you read good &#8216;ole Ron Paul&#8217; was pulled from the &#8216;debates&#8217;?  He&#8217;s not even in the running &#8211; Who would have ever <b>GUESSED?</b>
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Fyne Jr. (157):&lt;/b&gt; Franky Phoenix. Nice to know you finally appreciate a simple answer to a question. Maybe next time you&#8217;ll hesitate to belch out crap like &#8220;I&#8217;ll get to it when I get to it.&#8221;

&lt;b&gt;Victoria (160):&lt;/b&gt; Fyne Jr. Your last sentence is a WINNER!

&lt;b&gt;Frank:&lt;/b&gt; VICTORIA: Hilarious, considering you haven&#039;t a clue to what FJ is referring.

Fyne Jr.: So, just what &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; that Q you asked me ... what, two years ago? ... to which I replied &#8220;I&#8217;ll get to it when I get to it&quot;?

Seriously. I&#039;ll give it a shot answering it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Fyne Jr. (157):</b> Franky Phoenix. Nice to know you finally appreciate a simple answer to a question. Maybe next time you&#8217;ll hesitate to belch out crap like &#8220;I&#8217;ll get to it when I get to it.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Victoria (160):</b> Fyne Jr. Your last sentence is a WINNER!</p>
<p><b>Frank:</b> VICTORIA: Hilarious, considering you haven&#8217;t a clue to what FJ is referring.</p>
<p>Fyne Jr.: So, just what <i>was</i> that Q you asked me &#8230; what, two years ago? &#8230; to which I replied &#8220;I&#8217;ll get to it when I get to it&#8221;?</p>
<p>Seriously. I&#8217;ll give it a shot answering it &#8230;
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		<title>By: HamachiTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>HamachiTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation, Steve, Theo, HRW, and Scroop. It&#039;s refreshing to see people use facts and remain courteous in their discourse, even when attacked and called names by lesser minds. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation, Steve, Theo, HRW, and Scroop. It&#8217;s refreshing to see people use facts and remain courteous in their discourse, even when attacked and called names by lesser minds. Cheers!
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		<title>By: Theo Godwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo Godwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people said Hillary did it but there were never any charges filed against her by the police or any other agency.  All parties involved concluded that Vince Foster committed suicide.

Even if there is no statute of limitations, it would take dramatic evidence to reopen the investigation.  While I would be hesitant to defend Hillary, I don&#039;t think she can be convicted on the evidence presented by conspiracy theorists.</description>
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<p>Even if there is no statute of limitations, it would take dramatic evidence to reopen the investigation.  While I would be hesitant to defend Hillary, I don&#8217;t think she can be convicted on the evidence presented by conspiracy theorists.
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theo  -- 

I don&#039;t think there was any mystery about Vince Foster. As I recall, everyone said Hillary did it, and Ken Starr dropped the ball.  Do you deny it?  Rembember, there is no statute of limitations.  She&#039;s still a murderess.  If it was outrageous then, it is outrageous now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theo  &#8212; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there was any mystery about Vince Foster. As I recall, everyone said Hillary did it, and Ken Starr dropped the ball.  Do you deny it?  Rembember, there is no statute of limitations.  She&#8217;s still a murderess.  If it was outrageous then, it is outrageous now.
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		<title>By: Theo Godwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo Godwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>181
Good point.  Perhaps he and Cheney should be number 1 on the list.  They probably beat Feinstein in corruption.  

182
This list is for investigations that occurred in 2007.  Vince Foster&#039;s death was mysterious and certainly deserved further investigation but it was many years ago.

Revised list:
1. Bush and Cheney - $1 trillion Iraq War, $3 billion in oil profits, 4000 American lives
2. Feinstein - $billions to her husband&#8217;s company
3. Pelosi - $25 million
4. Senator Harry Reid - $1 million+
5. Hillary Clinton - $800,000
6. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - $600,000+
7. Jefferson - $400,000+ (was seeking as much as $10 million)
8. I. Lewis &#8220;Scooter&#8221; Libby - $250,000 fine
9. Governor Mike Huckabee - $70,000
10. Senator Barack Obama - $60,000
11.  Rep. John Conyers &#8211; misuse of government staff as personal servants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>181<br />
Good point.  Perhaps he and Cheney should be number 1 on the list.  They probably beat Feinstein in corruption.  </p>
<p>182<br />
This list is for investigations that occurred in 2007.  Vince Foster&#8217;s death was mysterious and certainly deserved further investigation but it was many years ago.</p>
<p>Revised list:<br />
1. Bush and Cheney &#8211; $1 trillion Iraq War, $3 billion in oil profits, 4000 American lives<br />
2. Feinstein &#8211; $billions to her husband&#8217;s company<br />
3. Pelosi &#8211; $25 million<br />
4. Senator Harry Reid &#8211; $1 million+<br />
5. Hillary Clinton &#8211; $800,000<br />
6. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani &#8211; $600,000+<br />
7. Jefferson &#8211; $400,000+ (was seeking as much as $10 million)<br />
8. I. Lewis &#8220;Scooter&#8221; Libby &#8211; $250,000 fine<br />
9. Governor Mike Huckabee &#8211; $70,000<br />
10. Senator Barack Obama &#8211; $60,000<br />
11.  Rep. John Conyers &#8211; misuse of government staff as personal servants
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theo --

Are you giving Hillary a pass on the murder of Vince Foster?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theo &#8211;</p>
<p>Are you giving Hillary a pass on the murder of Vince Foster?
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEO:   &lt;i&gt; Any other suggested entries?&lt;/i&gt;

George Bush:  billions and billions
--He associated with Jack Abramoff in the White House (far more intimately than Hillary associated with Norman Hsu, whose crimes didn&#039;t include illegal fundraising for Hillary).  Abramoff&#039;s crimes involved Bush officials and  dozens of lawmakers and staffers.
--He commuted the prison sentence of #7 on the list to stop him from singing in jail.
--War profiteering and billions of lost and unaccounted money.
--Bush directed Alberto Gonzales to fire the US attorney who prosecuted Rep. Duke Cunningham for corruption.

Alberto Gonzales
--False prosecution of Gov. Seligman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THEO:   <i> Any other suggested entries?</i></p>
<p>George Bush:  billions and billions<br />
&#8211;He associated with Jack Abramoff in the White House (far more intimately than Hillary associated with Norman Hsu, whose crimes didn&#8217;t include illegal fundraising for Hillary).  Abramoff&#8217;s crimes involved Bush officials and  dozens of lawmakers and staffers.<br />
&#8211;He commuted the prison sentence of #7 on the list to stop him from singing in jail.<br />
&#8211;War profiteering and billions of lost and unaccounted money.<br />
&#8211;Bush directed Alberto Gonzales to fire the US attorney who prosecuted Rep. Duke Cunningham for corruption.</p>
<p>Alberto Gonzales<br />
&#8211;False prosecution of Gov. Seligman
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