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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theo, you may be the odd one then.  I may have a law degree, but I don&#039;t &quot;relate&quot; to Hillary Clinton. I haven&#039;t had the advantages she has had in life, and I haven&#039;t forgotten where I came from either. I understand a man like McCain a lot better.  His years as a POW have real meaning for me.  He understands suffering. I relate to that. I relate to Huckabee&#039;s Christian faith. We speak the same language. I even understand Thompson -- he has the perspective on the power that I hope I would have.  

Evidently, you need a self-centered, they can&#039;t do it without me Type A personality. A person who doesn&#039;t relate won&#039;t do a blessed thing -- kinda like a lot of the clowns in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theo, you may be the odd one then.  I may have a law degree, but I don&#8217;t &#8220;relate&#8221; to Hillary Clinton. I haven&#8217;t had the advantages she has had in life, and I haven&#8217;t forgotten where I came from either. I understand a man like McCain a lot better.  His years as a POW have real meaning for me.  He understands suffering. I relate to that. I relate to Huckabee&#8217;s Christian faith. We speak the same language. I even understand Thompson &#8212; he has the perspective on the power that I hope I would have.  </p>
<p>Evidently, you need a self-centered, they can&#8217;t do it without me Type A personality. A person who doesn&#8217;t relate won&#8217;t do a blessed thing &#8212; kinda like a lot of the clowns in Congress.
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		<title>By: Theo Godwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo Godwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t want someone I can relate to.  I don&#039;t want someone who I could be friends with.  I want someone who can perform the duties of US president.

Huckabee&#039;s stance on taxes is ludicrous.  He needs to stop talking about getting rid of the IRS.  His health care plan is basically a weight loss and smoking cessation plan.  I guess since he lost 120 pounds he figures that the rest of America can as well.  I expect a little more from the US president.  

I will be voting for Obama unless some other candidate can provide a stronger path for America. I am not sold on Obama and I honestly would like to vote Republican but I couldn&#039;t handle another 4 years of non-sense like we have seen the last 8 years.  McCain or Romney could potentially sway me but it would be difficult since they are basically supporting Bush&#039;s reign of terror.  If Thompson was the candidate that everyone had hoped for, he may have stood a chance.  The man hardly even wants to be president however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t want someone I can relate to.  I don&#8217;t want someone who I could be friends with.  I want someone who can perform the duties of US president.</p>
<p>Huckabee&#8217;s stance on taxes is ludicrous.  He needs to stop talking about getting rid of the IRS.  His health care plan is basically a weight loss and smoking cessation plan.  I guess since he lost 120 pounds he figures that the rest of America can as well.  I expect a little more from the US president.  </p>
<p>I will be voting for Obama unless some other candidate can provide a stronger path for America. I am not sold on Obama and I honestly would like to vote Republican but I couldn&#8217;t handle another 4 years of non-sense like we have seen the last 8 years.  McCain or Romney could potentially sway me but it would be difficult since they are basically supporting Bush&#8217;s reign of terror.  If Thompson was the candidate that everyone had hoped for, he may have stood a chance.  The man hardly even wants to be president however.
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		<title>By: Tychicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tychicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJL: I&#039;m with you - I think that Huckabee would stand a chance against anyone in the race, especially given people&#039;s mood these days of wanting someone who they can relate to, and who will seek to relate to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJL: I&#8217;m with you &#8211; I think that Huckabee would stand a chance against anyone in the race, especially given people&#8217;s mood these days of wanting someone who they can relate to, and who will seek to relate to them.
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		<title>By: rdean</title>
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		<dc:creator>rdean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64:  I&#8217;d also add that &#8220;the maker&#8221; has made his thoughts known on this.

1979??

You&#039;re right, it&#039;s not the right forum.  However, if you ever get a chance to meet this mysterious &quot;maker&quot;, come back from where ever you are and tell us about him.  I suspect it will be a long wait.  Sad to judge people on an imaginary friend, so imaginary in fact, no one has ever met him.  Pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64:  I&#8217;d also add that &#8220;the maker&#8221; has made his thoughts known on this.</p>
<p>1979??</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s not the right forum.  However, if you ever get a chance to meet this mysterious &#8220;maker&#8221;, come back from where ever you are and tell us about him.  I suspect it will be a long wait.  Sad to judge people on an imaginary friend, so imaginary in fact, no one has ever met him.  Pity.
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if Huckabee &quot;began the Republican Reformation,&quot; WHY would Republicans favor McCain? Why would Republicans want the person who didn&#039;t start the reformation?  Perhaps we&#039;re back to &quot;misunderestimating&quot; people -- again.

Isn&#039;t it always possible that the people, the voters, understand that even a candidate can misspeak one word for another? I think Huckabee would actually stand a chance against Hillary.  If you&#039;re shrill, how do you attack such a nice, humble guy?  Would Obama change his character and attack him?  Maybe we&#039;d have a more civil debate.

Maybe the &quot;evangelical&quot; began a reform of politics in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if Huckabee &#8220;began the Republican Reformation,&#8221; WHY would Republicans favor McCain? Why would Republicans want the person who didn&#8217;t start the reformation?  Perhaps we&#8217;re back to &#8220;misunderestimating&#8221; people &#8212; again.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it always possible that the people, the voters, understand that even a candidate can misspeak one word for another? I think Huckabee would actually stand a chance against Hillary.  If you&#8217;re shrill, how do you attack such a nice, humble guy?  Would Obama change his character and attack him?  Maybe we&#8217;d have a more civil debate.</p>
<p>Maybe the &#8220;evangelical&#8221; began a reform of politics in general.
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		<title>By: Tychicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tychicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Anyone that can shake the foundation of the Republican Party deserves a &#8220;thumbs up&#8221;.&lt;/I&gt;

It seems to me that both Ron Paul &lt;I&gt;and&lt;/I&gt; Mike Huckabee are doing the shaking up. David Brooks&#039; words from Arcadia&#039;s link are very interesting:

&lt;I&gt;Second, Huckabee understands much better than Mitt Romney that we have a crisis of authority in this country. People have lost faith in their leaders&#8217; ability to respond to problems. While Romney embodies the leadership class, Huckabee went after it. He criticized Wall Street and K Street. Most importantly, he sensed that conservatives do not believe their own movement is well led. He took on Rush Limbaugh, the Club for Growth and even President Bush. The old guard threw everything they had at him, and their diminished power is now exposed.

Third, Huckabee understands how middle-class anxiety is really lived. Democrats talk about wages. But real middle-class families have more to fear economically from divorce than from a free trade pact. A person&#8217;s lifetime prospects will be threatened more by single parenting than by outsourcing. Huckabee understands that economic well-being is fused with social and moral well-being, and he talks about the inter-relationship in a way no other candidate has.

In that sense, Huckabee&#8217;s victory is not a step into the past. It opens up the way for a new coalition.

A conservatism that recognizes stable families as the foundation of economic growth is not hard to imagine. A conservatism that loves capitalism but distrusts capitalists is not hard to imagine either. Adam Smith felt this way. A conservatism that pays attention to people making less than $50,000 a year is the only conservatism worth defending.

Will Huckabee move on and lead this new conservatism? Highly doubtful. The past few weeks have exposed his serious flaws as a presidential candidate. His foreign policy knowledge is minimal. His lapses into amateurishness simply won&#8217;t fly in a national campaign.

So the race will move on to New Hampshire. Mitt Romney is now grievously wounded. Romney represents what&#8217;s left of Republicanism 1.0. Huckabee and McCain represent half-formed iterations of Republicanism 2.0. My guess is Republicans will now swing behind McCain in order to stop Mike.

Huckabee probably won&#8217;t be the nominee, but starting last night in Iowa, an evangelical began the Republican Reformation.&lt;/I&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anyone that can shake the foundation of the Republican Party deserves a &#8220;thumbs up&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>It seems to me that both Ron Paul <i>and</i> Mike Huckabee are doing the shaking up. David Brooks&#8217; words from Arcadia&#8217;s link are very interesting:</p>
<p><i>Second, Huckabee understands much better than Mitt Romney that we have a crisis of authority in this country. People have lost faith in their leaders&#8217; ability to respond to problems. While Romney embodies the leadership class, Huckabee went after it. He criticized Wall Street and K Street. Most importantly, he sensed that conservatives do not believe their own movement is well led. He took on Rush Limbaugh, the Club for Growth and even President Bush. The old guard threw everything they had at him, and their diminished power is now exposed.</p>
<p>Third, Huckabee understands how middle-class anxiety is really lived. Democrats talk about wages. But real middle-class families have more to fear economically from divorce than from a free trade pact. A person&#8217;s lifetime prospects will be threatened more by single parenting than by outsourcing. Huckabee understands that economic well-being is fused with social and moral well-being, and he talks about the inter-relationship in a way no other candidate has.</p>
<p>In that sense, Huckabee&#8217;s victory is not a step into the past. It opens up the way for a new coalition.</p>
<p>A conservatism that recognizes stable families as the foundation of economic growth is not hard to imagine. A conservatism that loves capitalism but distrusts capitalists is not hard to imagine either. Adam Smith felt this way. A conservatism that pays attention to people making less than $50,000 a year is the only conservatism worth defending.</p>
<p>Will Huckabee move on and lead this new conservatism? Highly doubtful. The past few weeks have exposed his serious flaws as a presidential candidate. His foreign policy knowledge is minimal. His lapses into amateurishness simply won&#8217;t fly in a national campaign.</p>
<p>So the race will move on to New Hampshire. Mitt Romney is now grievously wounded. Romney represents what&#8217;s left of Republicanism 1.0. Huckabee and McCain represent half-formed iterations of Republicanism 2.0. My guess is Republicans will now swing behind McCain in order to stop Mike.</p>
<p>Huckabee probably won&#8217;t be the nominee, but starting last night in Iowa, an evangelical began the Republican Reformation.</i>
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many of you (especially the Canadian) are very hung up on your definitions of political ideas/movements, i.e., you use these words libertarian and neo-con to describe what&#039;s happening here putting things in boxes that no longer have four sides.

I think it&#039;s much simpler. I agree with Frank in Phoenix that this is a primary season unlike anything we&#039;ve seen, because I think &quot;the people&quot; want to take control, they want things to get done, they want to cut through all the horsepucky. They gave the Repubs a change, then the Dems, and for both groups it was about THEM. They did nothing for the people. This isn&#039;t just about who will be president. This is the &quot;people&quot; redefining the way we do political business here. 

(I hope we&#039;re successful.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many of you (especially the Canadian) are very hung up on your definitions of political ideas/movements, i.e., you use these words libertarian and neo-con to describe what&#8217;s happening here putting things in boxes that no longer have four sides.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s much simpler. I agree with Frank in Phoenix that this is a primary season unlike anything we&#8217;ve seen, because I think &#8220;the people&#8221; want to take control, they want things to get done, they want to cut through all the horsepucky. They gave the Repubs a change, then the Dems, and for both groups it was about THEM. They did nothing for the people. This isn&#8217;t just about who will be president. This is the &#8220;people&#8221; redefining the way we do political business here. </p>
<p>(I hope we&#8217;re successful.)
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anlir,

My thoughts:

The primary season has never been been a game of start-to-finish domination by the man who eventually becomes his party&#039;s nominee. Iowa is neither unimportant, nor is it a bona-fide kingmaker.

I was not expecting Ron Paul to kick butt &amp; take names in corn country. (He opposes, after al, federal farm subsidies, unlike &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&amp;Issue_id=23&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;the agri-socialist who won Thursday.)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Given the upcoming primary contests -- especially Tuesday in NH -- suffice to say that I&#039;m pleased with RP&#039;s Iowa showing.

Note that NH&#039;s GOP chairman is in ongoing negotions with Fox news to get Ron Paul included in Fox&#039;s &quot;itty-bitty-trailer forum.&quot; (What, in the 21st Century, they can&#039;t include him via video-screen from a remote location?!) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYZulZ07uoY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;He (the NH GOP chairman) has threatened to pull state GOP sponsorship of Fox&#039;s forum if Paul is not included.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; This should give you some idea of the difference between NH&#039;s &quot;Live Free or Die&quot; Republicans vs. the &quot;sorta Conservative - but don&#039;t you dare touch my subsidies!&quot; IA Republicans.

In addition, Paul supporters from all over the country have been swarming NH like winter locusts for the last two months to get the word out. The effort in NH makes the Iowa effort look like a morning walk. (Just spend a half-hour at YouTube to see documentation of this. I don&#039;t think RP volunteers spent near as much time in Iowa.)

And finally, it is my understanding that &lt;b&gt;in NH, you can change your party registration/affiliation on the day of the primary.&lt;/b&gt; There have been reports from pockets around the country (though I don&#039;t know if it qualifies as a honest-to-goodness &quot;national trend&quot;) of large numbers of voters changing their registration to Republican. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/open-letters.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Given Ron Paul&#039;s appeal to a broad, cross-party range of voters,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; I suspect that this is primarily being done by Democrats and independents -- not to mention Libertarians -- who want to vote for Ron Paul.

So, back to the beginning: While I wasn&#039;t holding my breath in Iowa, I confess I&#039;ll be chewing my nails over New Hampshire. But all in all, the primary season is going to have to unfold a piece at a time. Ron Paul is arguably the most unique candidate in either party, because of his principled constitutionalism. And his supporters have been doing successful end-runs around the MSM&#039;s &quot;kingmaker machine&quot; since January. (I would also remind you that the Paul campaign has been greatly decentralized -- grass-roots, bottom up, not centralized top-down control. Sorta like Paul&#039;s position on state&#039;s rights and true federalism.)

All of these factors, I think, are going to make this primary season unlike anything we have seen in our lifetimes, and could very well make Ron Paul the GOP nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anlir,</p>
<p>My thoughts:</p>
<p>The primary season has never been been a game of start-to-finish domination by the man who eventually becomes his party&#8217;s nominee. Iowa is neither unimportant, nor is it a bona-fide kingmaker.</p>
<p>I was not expecting Ron Paul to kick butt &amp; take names in corn country. (He opposes, after al, federal farm subsidies, unlike <a href="http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&amp;Issue_id=23" rel="nofollow"><b>the agri-socialist who won Thursday.)</b></a> Given the upcoming primary contests &#8212; especially Tuesday in NH &#8212; suffice to say that I&#8217;m pleased with RP&#8217;s Iowa showing.</p>
<p>Note that NH&#8217;s GOP chairman is in ongoing negotions with Fox news to get Ron Paul included in Fox&#8217;s &#8220;itty-bitty-trailer forum.&#8221; (What, in the 21st Century, they can&#8217;t include him via video-screen from a remote location?!) <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYZulZ07uoY" rel="nofollow"><b>He (the NH GOP chairman) has threatened to pull state GOP sponsorship of Fox&#8217;s forum if Paul is not included.</b></a> This should give you some idea of the difference between NH&#8217;s &#8220;Live Free or Die&#8221; Republicans vs. the &#8220;sorta Conservative &#8211; but don&#8217;t you dare touch my subsidies!&#8221; IA Republicans.</p>
<p>In addition, Paul supporters from all over the country have been swarming NH like winter locusts for the last two months to get the word out. The effort in NH makes the Iowa effort look like a morning walk. (Just spend a half-hour at YouTube to see documentation of this. I don&#8217;t think RP volunteers spent near as much time in Iowa.)</p>
<p>And finally, it is my understanding that <b>in NH, you can change your party registration/affiliation on the day of the primary.</b> There have been reports from pockets around the country (though I don&#8217;t know if it qualifies as a honest-to-goodness &#8220;national trend&#8221;) of large numbers of voters changing their registration to Republican. <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/open-letters.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Given Ron Paul&#8217;s appeal to a broad, cross-party range of voters,</b></a> I suspect that this is primarily being done by Democrats and independents &#8212; not to mention Libertarians &#8212; who want to vote for Ron Paul.</p>
<p>So, back to the beginning: While I wasn&#8217;t holding my breath in Iowa, I confess I&#8217;ll be chewing my nails over New Hampshire. But all in all, the primary season is going to have to unfold a piece at a time. Ron Paul is arguably the most unique candidate in either party, because of his principled constitutionalism. And his supporters have been doing successful end-runs around the MSM&#8217;s &#8220;kingmaker machine&#8221; since January. (I would also remind you that the Paul campaign has been greatly decentralized &#8212; grass-roots, bottom up, not centralized top-down control. Sorta like Paul&#8217;s position on state&#8217;s rights and true federalism.)</p>
<p>All of these factors, I think, are going to make this primary season unlike anything we have seen in our lifetimes, and could very well make Ron Paul the GOP nominee.
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		<title>By: Anlir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anlir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter L.,

It&#039;s interesting you should mention that.  Last night they were showing pictures of the crowds at Clinton&#039;s, Obama&#039;s, and Paul&#039;s rallies over the last few months.  Most of the people at Clinton&#039;s were older (50+), most of the people at Obama&#039;s were middle-age (25-50), and most of the people at Paul&#039;s were younger (under 25).  Like Howard Dean, Paul imported an enthusiastic army of young people to Iowa to work for his candidacy.  It was a serious effort.  But it didn&#039;t quite work out.

Don&#039;t get me wrong - I wish Ron Paul well.  Anyone that can shake the foundation of the Republican Party deserves a &quot;thumbs up&quot;.

But who I really want to hear from on this is Frank in Phoenix.  I want to hear his thoughts on Ron Paul&#039;s vote count.  Perhaps I&#039;m missing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter L.,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting you should mention that.  Last night they were showing pictures of the crowds at Clinton&#8217;s, Obama&#8217;s, and Paul&#8217;s rallies over the last few months.  Most of the people at Clinton&#8217;s were older (50+), most of the people at Obama&#8217;s were middle-age (25-50), and most of the people at Paul&#8217;s were younger (under 25).  Like Howard Dean, Paul imported an enthusiastic army of young people to Iowa to work for his candidacy.  It was a serious effort.  But it didn&#8217;t quite work out.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I wish Ron Paul well.  Anyone that can shake the foundation of the Republican Party deserves a &#8220;thumbs up&#8221;.</p>
<p>But who I really want to hear from on this is Frank in Phoenix.  I want to hear his thoughts on Ron Paul&#8217;s vote count.  Perhaps I&#8217;m missing something.
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		<title>By: Peter L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anlir says young voters tend not to show up, thus Ron Paul only getting 10%.  Tell that to Obama, as a lot of his supporters were young. Also, since Ron Paul&#8217;s support is coming through on-line donations, they could be coming from all over the country, not just Iowa.

BTW- I am not now, nor have I been a Ron Paul supporter.  That could change in the next five weeks, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anlir says young voters tend not to show up, thus Ron Paul only getting 10%.  Tell that to Obama, as a lot of his supporters were young. Also, since Ron Paul&#8217;s support is coming through on-line donations, they could be coming from all over the country, not just Iowa.</p>
<p>BTW- I am not now, nor have I been a Ron Paul supporter.  That could change in the next five weeks, however.
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