Comments on: 1952 and 2008 http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:46:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: alissa http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-260009 alissa Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:39:29 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-260009 Kbells: Exactly what I'm doing here. :) Kbells: Exactly what I’m doing here. :)

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]]> By: Sawgunner http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-259232 Sawgunner Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:57:18 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-259232 The Values Voters/Religious Right "didnt exist" in the 50s? I think that bloc only came into existence as a distinct entity in the 70s. As others have noted, in the 50s there was a consensus on most issues relating to marriage, abortion etc. The New Deal labor unionists were all solidly married men with kids who wanted only to ensure labor got a bigger piece of the pie, and that the vicissitudes of free enterprise were better managed. The "proFamily Movemt"? Certainly unlimited abortion ignited an uproar in the 70s, but We can thank Jimmy Carter and Jim Guy Tucker for our even needing a proFamily voting bloc. Carter hosted a White House conference on The Family. Gays and other nontraditional "families" demanded and got the WH to drop the THE from the conference title. It was a rancorous-filled gathering. Connie Marshner collected names and began a mailing list. The Values Voters/Religious Right “didnt exist” in the 50s? I think that bloc only came into existence as a distinct entity in the 70s. As others have noted, in the 50s there was a consensus on most issues relating to marriage, abortion etc. The New Deal labor unionists were all solidly married men with kids who wanted only to ensure labor got a bigger piece of the pie, and that the vicissitudes of free enterprise were better managed.
The “proFamily Movemt”? Certainly unlimited abortion ignited an uproar in the 70s, but We can thank Jimmy Carter and Jim Guy Tucker for our even needing a proFamily voting bloc. Carter hosted a White House conference on The Family. Gays and other nontraditional “families” demanded and got the WH to drop the THE from the conference title. It was a rancorous-filled gathering. Connie Marshner collected names and began a mailing list.

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258790 Peter Leavitt Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:35:02 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258790 JUSTUS331, It's true McCain has gone wobbly on some important conservative issues in the past, though based on a recent session he had with the WSJ editorial board, he is moving to the right at least on economic issues. I trust his wors when he gives it. The point is that as far as I can see he would be the best man to lead the crucial Republican coalition of interests as well as pick up a good share of independents and blue dog Democrats. Having said this, the one area that I have questions about McCain is whether he would select conservative Supreme Court nominees along the line of Roberts and Alito. Yet, on balance for the moment I'd vote for McCain in the primary. JUSTUS331, It’s true McCain has gone wobbly on some important conservative issues in the past, though based on a recent session he had with the WSJ editorial board, he is moving to the right at least on economic issues. I trust his wors when he gives it.

The point is that as far as I can see he would be the best man to lead the crucial Republican coalition of interests as well as pick up a good share of independents and blue dog Democrats.

Having said this, the one area that I have questions about McCain is whether he would select conservative Supreme Court nominees along the line of Roberts and Alito. Yet, on balance for the moment I’d vote for McCain in the primary.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258761 Scroop Moth Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:01:44 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258761 <i>Methinks John McCain is not a conservative.</i> McCain voted against George Bush's tax cuts and has fused to sign Grover Norquist's anti-tax pledge. Spending is taxation. "Tax cuts" are a burden-shift away from the very wealthy to everyone else in the economy. Methinks John McCain is not a conservative.

McCain voted against George Bush’s tax cuts and has fused to sign Grover Norquist’s anti-tax pledge. Spending is taxation. “Tax cuts” are a burden-shift away from the very wealthy to everyone else in the economy.

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]]> By: Justus331 http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258743 Justus331 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:12:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258743 Peter (post 4)....Methinks John McCain is not a conservative. Remember the McCain / Feingold Campaign finance bill?? I strongly urged my congresspeople to vote that down, but to my chagrin, they did not. That first Bill of Right says: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW.....abriging free speech. Well that's what the finance campaign bill ended up being. I respect Mr. McCain's heroism, but that has not translated in conservatism on his part. Peter, you and I agree on Mitt Romney, tho. I was living in Blackstone, Mass. when He ran for governor, with Kerry Healey as his running mate. I'm sorry I voted for him. I like to think I'm more conservative than most Repubs. I;ll just wait-n-see who's still available come March 4th at the Rhode Island primary. Peter (post 4)….Methinks John McCain is not a conservative. Remember the McCain / Feingold Campaign finance bill?? I strongly urged my congresspeople to vote that down, but to my chagrin, they did not. That first Bill of Right says: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW…..abriging free speech. Well that’s what the finance campaign bill ended up being. I respect Mr. McCain’s heroism, but that has not translated in conservatism on his part. Peter, you and I agree on Mitt Romney, tho. I was living in Blackstone, Mass. when He ran for governor, with Kerry Healey as his running mate. I’m sorry I voted for him.
I like to think I’m more conservative than most Repubs. I;ll just wait-n-see who’s still available come March 4th at the Rhode Island primary.

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]]> By: Marie http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258707 Marie Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:39:06 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258707 I am astounded at the lack of coverage of Fred Thompson. Every radio and tv show and newscast mentions McCain, McCain, McCain, without even MENTIONING that Thompson came in 3rd! It is getting surreal. I am astounded at the lack of coverage of Fred Thompson. Every radio and tv show and newscast mentions McCain, McCain, McCain, without even MENTIONING that Thompson came in 3rd! It is getting surreal.

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]]> By: kBells http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258561 kBells Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:42:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258561 Alissa #5. So am I, but I'm capable of studying and learning from history before my lifetime. Alissa #5. So am I, but I’m capable of studying and learning from history before my lifetime.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258527 Scroop Moth Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:01:05 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258527 PETER LEAVITT: <i>. . . on the issues of abortion and marriage Obama is an unredeemable liberal . . . The liberals like to think they have the majority of Americans with them on abortion anf marriage, though this is exceedingly doubtful.</i> A huge difference from 1952 is that Christians are bonded to the Republican party by Reaganomic theory and severed from the Democratic party by their perception that Obama is a baby killer. PETER LEAVITT: . . . on the issues of abortion and marriage Obama is an unredeemable liberal . . . The liberals like to think they have the majority of Americans with them on abortion anf marriage, though this is exceedingly doubtful.

A huge difference from 1952 is that Christians are bonded to the Republican party by Reaganomic theory and severed from the Democratic party by their perception that Obama is a baby killer.

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258499 Peter Leavitt Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:18:33 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258499 :oops: In the above 2005 should be 2004. :oops: In the above 2005 should be 2004.

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]]> By: alissa http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-258498 alissa Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:17:27 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/04/1952-and-2008/#comment-258498 I'm too young (and probably not up enough on my history) to have noticed these contrasts and similarities - thanks. :) I’m too young (and probably not up enough on my history) to have noticed these contrasts and similarities – thanks. :)

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