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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAWGUNNER:  &lt;i&gt;And the young people then took to drink and drugs and . . .&lt;/i&gt;

Some experimented.  Many took to it, and many who did, turned to Jesus and went to church.

The unrecognized truth about &quot;60&#039;s liberalism&quot; is that we turned against it, rejected it, never forgave it, and have blamed and hated it ever since.  There are a lot of reasons why this happened.  One of them is that, even in the 60&#039;s, most boomers were conservative like the country.  The cultural war against the 60&#039;s was already being waged by anti-black hardhats and Southern enlisted boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAWGUNNER:  <i>And the young people then took to drink and drugs and . . .</i></p>
<p>Some experimented.  Many took to it, and many who did, turned to Jesus and went to church.</p>
<p>The unrecognized truth about &#8220;60&#8217;s liberalism&#8221; is that we turned against it, rejected it, never forgave it, and have blamed and hated it ever since.  There are a lot of reasons why this happened.  One of them is that, even in the 60&#8217;s, most boomers were conservative like the country.  The cultural war against the 60&#8217;s was already being waged by anti-black hardhats and Southern enlisted boys.
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		<title>By: Sawgunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sawgunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The early 60s saw lotsa kids then become Goldwater-inspired Libertarians and Reaganites. They are the ideological grandparents of the Ron Paulistas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The early 60s saw lotsa kids then become Goldwater-inspired Libertarians and Reaganites. They are the ideological grandparents of the Ron Paulistas!
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		<title>By: Sawgunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sawgunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read about the idealists of the early and mid60s who went south to register black voters and do what they could to combat poverty. It&#039;s interesting to note that the same type of wide-eyed optimistic kids are still traipsing off to better the world. But they eschew politics and instead are in all type of ministry or missions work. The idealism of SNCC and other secular groups lacked any type of inner-guidance. And the young people then took to drink and drugs and-- unlike the idealistic Christian youths one sees hammering houses in New Orleans-- they fretted away their enthusiasm and hope at bettering the world and nation
Bully for Christian idealist/youth I say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read about the idealists of the early and mid60s who went south to register black voters and do what they could to combat poverty. It&#8217;s interesting to note that the same type of wide-eyed optimistic kids are still traipsing off to better the world. But they eschew politics and instead are in all type of ministry or missions work. The idealism of SNCC and other secular groups lacked any type of inner-guidance. And the young people then took to drink and drugs and&#8211; unlike the idealistic Christian youths one sees hammering houses in New Orleans&#8211; they fretted away their enthusiasm and hope at bettering the world and nation<br />
Bully for Christian idealist/youth I say!
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		<title>By: trr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Llama, read my previous comment. Perhaps they&#039;re trying to atone for the marching band hatred of the past! :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Llama, read my previous comment. Perhaps they&#8217;re trying to atone for the marching band hatred of the past! <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: trr</title>
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		<dc:creator>trr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of funny ones from TJ today.

Don&#039;t worry, though: they just left out invertebrates because they were trying to exclude politicians.

&lt;i&gt;The students debated whether to demonstrate on the company&#8217;s property with a marching band, but the conversation soon digressed into the risk of using e-mail. Some worried that the authorities would read what they wrote.&lt;/i&gt;

They don&#039;t have a plan, but at least they&#039;ve got paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of funny ones from TJ today.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, though: they just left out invertebrates because they were trying to exclude politicians.</p>
<p><i>The students debated whether to demonstrate on the company&#8217;s property with a marching band, but the conversation soon digressed into the risk of using e-mail. Some worried that the authorities would read what they wrote.</i></p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have a plan, but at least they&#8217;ve got paranoia.
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		<title>By: RonD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DCL,

For your average leftist, what about today is so different?  You&#039;ve got Bush, Halliburton, Iraq, nuclear threat, terrorist&#039;s threats, greedy corporate America, rich guys, poor guys, criminals and victims.  There is everything now that was then even though the names and details have changed.  For you, the same struggle continues.  I&#039;m sure there are more than a few on your side who still find the goals of the SDS as admirable now as they did then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCL,</p>
<p>For your average leftist, what about today is so different?  You&#8217;ve got Bush, Halliburton, Iraq, nuclear threat, terrorist&#8217;s threats, greedy corporate America, rich guys, poor guys, criminals and victims.  There is everything now that was then even though the names and details have changed.  For you, the same struggle continues.  I&#8217;m sure there are more than a few on your side who still find the goals of the SDS as admirable now as they did then.
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		<title>By: llama</title>
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		<dc:creator>llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just loved it when Hillary said in the debate that she wasn&#039;t talking about change like Obama but that she had actually made change over the last 35 years instead of just talking about it.

Well,  I have no idea what change she has made.  She had no position of power to make change until she became a Senator.  Her try at health care reform while Wee Willy was president was a complete fiasco.  She hasn&#039;t managed to get any new laws passed as a sponsor since being elected and she certainly wasn&#039;t able to change her husbands sexual predator nature either.

Why no one called her a change liar to her face in the debate I will never know but Obama lost a good chance to put her away for good.

The SDS was and will be if it is revived nothing more than another left wing terrorist organization but it doesn&#039;t surprise me that some of the more left wingers here thought that they had fine world changing for the better manifiesto either.

Where I went to college they burned down the building that was home to music education, housed the marching band&#039;s instruments and their uniforms.  Possibly they were upset that the music that was being taught or played by the marching band was just too much of something they didn&#039;t like :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just loved it when Hillary said in the debate that she wasn&#8217;t talking about change like Obama but that she had actually made change over the last 35 years instead of just talking about it.</p>
<p>Well,  I have no idea what change she has made.  She had no position of power to make change until she became a Senator.  Her try at health care reform while Wee Willy was president was a complete fiasco.  She hasn&#8217;t managed to get any new laws passed as a sponsor since being elected and she certainly wasn&#8217;t able to change her husbands sexual predator nature either.</p>
<p>Why no one called her a change liar to her face in the debate I will never know but Obama lost a good chance to put her away for good.</p>
<p>The SDS was and will be if it is revived nothing more than another left wing terrorist organization but it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that some of the more left wingers here thought that they had fine world changing for the better manifiesto either.</p>
<p>Where I went to college they burned down the building that was home to music education, housed the marching band&#8217;s instruments and their uniforms.  Possibly they were upset that the music that was being taught or played by the marching band was just too much of something they didn&#8217;t like <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: DC Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guilt has nothing to do with it, KRM.  I would suggest you read Andrew Sullivan&#039;s piece in the December Atlantic Monthly.  http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama.

I think Obama is one of the smartest people in public life.  I think his rhetoric is stirring and that&#039;s important.  He brings out the best in people.  He, like Reagan and Kennedy, has the ability to inspire.  

And yes, I would like to elect the first Black president, but no more so than I would like to elect the first woman president.  I support Obama because he will put a different face, literally and figuratively, on American politics and on America&#039;s foreign policy.  I support Obama because I believe electing someone like him is the best way to demonstrate to the world and to ourselves that our 400 year experiment in Democracy is still relevant and still worth defending.  I support him because I think America is ready to live up to the ideas of our founding documents--that all men are created equal--and America really is a place where a guy with a background like Obama&#039;s (not just his race) can grow up to be president. 

It&#039;s the epitome of my politics and values to elect Barak Obama.  It&#039;s not about race or guilt or anything like that.  Obama has found a way to transcend those issues.  

At the end of the day, voters don&#039;t really vote substance.  They vote on feelings and inspiration.  That was the key to Ronald Reagan&#039;s success.  It was why John Kerry lost.  Most Americans according to polls agreed more with John Kerry on more issues than they did Bush.  Same with Gore.  But they couldn&#039;t stomach Kerry and Gore as people.  Obama touches a very different nerve and inspires people on all sides of the political spectrum. 

My mother, no liberal, called me up last night at 11:00 gushing.  &quot;Did you see Obama&#039;s speech?&quot; she asked me.  &quot;It was WONDERFUL.&quot;  Some people in public life have a gift and Obama has it, and I trust he will use it to unite this country behind the challenges we face. 

Yes, I am putting form over substance, but I really think that&#039;s how people think.  And on substance, I there is much to like about Obama and much that is already revealed if you take the time to really listen to his speeches over the past few years.  There&#039;s also a lot of achievement in his record as an Illinois legislator.  I agree with him on the war.  I agree generally with his approach to foreign policy.  On other issues of importance to me Obama is not a lot different than Clinton or Edwards, which is fine with me.  I understand that may not work for you.  But if you agreed with the basic Democratic platform and had these three candidates (Clinton, Obama, and Edwards) to choose from, why wouldn&#039;t you pick Obama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guilt has nothing to do with it, KRM.  I would suggest you read Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s piece in the December Atlantic Monthly.  <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama</a>.</p>
<p>I think Obama is one of the smartest people in public life.  I think his rhetoric is stirring and that&#8217;s important.  He brings out the best in people.  He, like Reagan and Kennedy, has the ability to inspire.  </p>
<p>And yes, I would like to elect the first Black president, but no more so than I would like to elect the first woman president.  I support Obama because he will put a different face, literally and figuratively, on American politics and on America&#8217;s foreign policy.  I support Obama because I believe electing someone like him is the best way to demonstrate to the world and to ourselves that our 400 year experiment in Democracy is still relevant and still worth defending.  I support him because I think America is ready to live up to the ideas of our founding documents&#8211;that all men are created equal&#8211;and America really is a place where a guy with a background like Obama&#8217;s (not just his race) can grow up to be president. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the epitome of my politics and values to elect Barak Obama.  It&#8217;s not about race or guilt or anything like that.  Obama has found a way to transcend those issues.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day, voters don&#8217;t really vote substance.  They vote on feelings and inspiration.  That was the key to Ronald Reagan&#8217;s success.  It was why John Kerry lost.  Most Americans according to polls agreed more with John Kerry on more issues than they did Bush.  Same with Gore.  But they couldn&#8217;t stomach Kerry and Gore as people.  Obama touches a very different nerve and inspires people on all sides of the political spectrum. </p>
<p>My mother, no liberal, called me up last night at 11:00 gushing.  &#8220;Did you see Obama&#8217;s speech?&#8221; she asked me.  &#8220;It was WONDERFUL.&#8221;  Some people in public life have a gift and Obama has it, and I trust he will use it to unite this country behind the challenges we face. </p>
<p>Yes, I am putting form over substance, but I really think that&#8217;s how people think.  And on substance, I there is much to like about Obama and much that is already revealed if you take the time to really listen to his speeches over the past few years.  There&#8217;s also a lot of achievement in his record as an Illinois legislator.  I agree with him on the war.  I agree generally with his approach to foreign policy.  On other issues of importance to me Obama is not a lot different than Clinton or Edwards, which is fine with me.  I understand that may not work for you.  But if you agreed with the basic Democratic platform and had these three candidates (Clinton, Obama, and Edwards) to choose from, why wouldn&#8217;t you pick Obama?
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Beast, Resurrected&quot;

Initially, I thought the title of this thread indicated that this was yet another look at Hillary Clinton&#039;s NH comeback...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Beast, Resurrected&#8221;</p>
<p>Initially, I thought the title of this thread indicated that this was yet another look at Hillary Clinton&#8217;s NH comeback&#8230;
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		<title>By: llama</title>
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		<dc:creator>llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that they included Animals being a llama and all but, I was talking to the plants, and rocks and they are quite upset about being ostracized by the new SDS.  Most folks don&#039;t know that some animals can talk to the plants, rocks and other seemingly silent things to humans  and I can tell you the plants are thinking about rioting against the SDS and throwing rocks at them:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that they included Animals being a llama and all but, I was talking to the plants, and rocks and they are quite upset about being ostracized by the new SDS.  Most folks don&#8217;t know that some animals can talk to the plants, rocks and other seemingly silent things to humans  and I can tell you the plants are thinking about rioting against the SDS and throwing rocks at them:-)
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