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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steveg

Talking has been going on before abortion became law.  If you haven&#039;t been involved &#039;first hand&#039; you don&#039;t know what goes on, you haven&#039;t a clue.    I don&#039;t say this to insult you, but its the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steveg</p>
<p>Talking has been going on before abortion became law.  If you haven&#8217;t been involved &#8216;first hand&#8217; you don&#8217;t know what goes on, you haven&#8217;t a clue.    I don&#8217;t say this to insult you, but its the truth.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never worked in any thing related to abortion, on either side. I&#039;ve not been a volunteer or an activist or a staff member. 

However, I have followed the issue for many years (it&#039;s inescapable in American politics) and I&#039;ve known people who have had their own experiences. 

I don&#039;t claim to have answers. I believe that the pro-life side is far too quick to assume that women who have abortions are just selfish and monstrous. I believe that the pro-choice side is too quick to assume that people who oppose abortion have ulterior motives. 

I believe we&#039;d get a lot farther down the road to some sort of solution if everybody would just shut up with the slogans and the shouting and actually TALK to each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never worked in any thing related to abortion, on either side. I&#8217;ve not been a volunteer or an activist or a staff member. </p>
<p>However, I have followed the issue for many years (it&#8217;s inescapable in American politics) and I&#8217;ve known people who have had their own experiences. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim to have answers. I believe that the pro-life side is far too quick to assume that women who have abortions are just selfish and monstrous. I believe that the pro-choice side is too quick to assume that people who oppose abortion have ulterior motives. </p>
<p>I believe we&#8217;d get a lot farther down the road to some sort of solution if everybody would just shut up with the slogans and the shouting and actually TALK to each other.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steveg

Have you worked in pro-life?  Is your experience with abortion connected to personal friends, or is it with an abortion facility or one of the organizations which help pregnant girls/women?

I ask these questions, because you have a lot of answers, for someone who has never told us what you do in this area, what your experience really is.  Would you mind answering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steveg</p>
<p>Have you worked in pro-life?  Is your experience with abortion connected to personal friends, or is it with an abortion facility or one of the organizations which help pregnant girls/women?</p>
<p>I ask these questions, because you have a lot of answers, for someone who has never told us what you do in this area, what your experience really is.  Would you mind answering?
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised, no. I know a few women who have had abortions and more who considered it but decided not to. 

I have known a few like you describe, who just want to get out of a situation and go on with their lives and don&#039;t seem overly bothered by it. I admit they exist. But I know at least twice as many who either had abortions or at least considered it for much more desperate reasons. 

I figure it&#039;s not my place to judge, just to offer what help and support I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised, no. I know a few women who have had abortions and more who considered it but decided not to. </p>
<p>I have known a few like you describe, who just want to get out of a situation and go on with their lives and don&#8217;t seem overly bothered by it. I admit they exist. But I know at least twice as many who either had abortions or at least considered it for much more desperate reasons. </p>
<p>I figure it&#8217;s not my place to judge, just to offer what help and support I can.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STEVEG - 71

YOU WRITE .....&lt;b&gt;&quot;That&#8217;s not a question about what she says here, it&#8217;s about what people should say to women considering having an abortion. I say, most of the time those women feel trapped and scared already.&lt;/b&gt; How useful is it to add harsh and angry words from the &#8220;loving Christians&#8221; who want her to change her mind?&quot;.....

Steveg, talking to someone who is considering an abortion is very different from listening to someone talk about seeing a child in a toilet-

I wouldn&#039;t think of trying to persuade anyone from an abortion by yelling at them. 

You might be surprised Steveg, not all women are terrified of abortion, what they are upset about is the pain it might cause them, not the childs pain, or the life that little one will never get to live by their selfish act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STEVEG &#8211; 71</p>
<p>YOU WRITE &#8230;..<b>&#8220;That&#8217;s not a question about what she says here, it&#8217;s about what people should say to women considering having an abortion. I say, most of the time those women feel trapped and scared already.</b> How useful is it to add harsh and angry words from the &#8220;loving Christians&#8221; who want her to change her mind?&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Steveg, talking to someone who is considering an abortion is very different from listening to someone talk about seeing a child in a toilet-</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t think of trying to persuade anyone from an abortion by yelling at them. </p>
<p>You might be surprised Steveg, not all women are terrified of abortion, what they are upset about is the pain it might cause them, not the childs pain, or the life that little one will never get to live by their selfish act.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;REG&lt;/b&gt; - 65

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;V-Like I said before, you should start your own website!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Yes you have said this before.    If you don&#039;t like my posts, SKIP THEM!  You aren&#039;t required to read anything I write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>REG</b> &#8211; 65</p>
<blockquote><p><b>&#8220;V-Like I said before, you should start your own website!&#8221;</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes you have said this before.    If you don&#8217;t like my posts, SKIP THEM!  You aren&#8217;t required to read anything I write.
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing makes me feel important, SteveG, because I know that I am nothing. God is EVERYTHING in my life, and all I have in life I owe to Him. Apart from God, I am nothing and can do nothing.

When I said &quot;we know about you,&quot; it means that the Christians here know that you&#039;re just like us -- a sinner in need of a Saviour. You can&#039;t win salvation through anything you do in this life either, because it&#039;s a gift of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing makes me feel important, SteveG, because I know that I am nothing. God is EVERYTHING in my life, and all I have in life I owe to Him. Apart from God, I am nothing and can do nothing.</p>
<p>When I said &#8220;we know about you,&#8221; it means that the Christians here know that you&#8217;re just like us &#8212; a sinner in need of a Saviour. You can&#8217;t win salvation through anything you do in this life either, because it&#8217;s a gift of God.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! I love it when people say &quot;we know about you&quot; as if you&#039;ve figured out some great secret. 

Does it make you feel important?

I am pretty transparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! I love it when people say &#8220;we know about you&#8221; as if you&#8217;ve figured out some great secret. </p>
<p>Does it make you feel important?</p>
<p>I am pretty transparent.
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My statement above stands on its own merits. SteveG. I don&#039;t have to prove anything.

Don&#039;t worry -- we all know about you, and it&#039;s okay. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My statement above stands on its own merits. SteveG. I don&#8217;t have to prove anything.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry &#8212; we all know about you, and it&#8217;s okay. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJLawyer at #68:

&lt;i&gt;Victoria doesn&#8217;t have to speak &#8220;soft and cuddly&#8221; here&lt;/i&gt;

I agree. But her question was &lt;i&gt;How soft and cuddly do you think we should talk, to those who have no more morals, than to toss a child on their way down to the sewer, through a pipe drain?&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not a question about what she says here, it&#039;s about what people should say to women considering having an abortion. I say, most of the time those women feel trapped and scared already. How useful is it to add harsh and angry words from the &quot;loving Christians&quot; who want her to change her mind? 

(I don&#039;t know where you get your information that &quot;most&quot; abortions are done for convenience. But in any event, I&#039;m talking about those women who are not.)

&lt;i&gt; &#8212; what kind of people are you that you don&#8217;t address the idea of expelling a child into a toilet? That&#8217;s pretty disgusting, and I would think it would be disgusting even to someone who favors abortion.&lt;/i&gt;

And how do you conclude that it&#039;s not? I find that idea as repellent as you do and I&#039;m not defending it. But the protestors at clinics don&#039;t reserve their venom for the late-term pregnancies.  

Like it or not, abortion is legal. People who seriously want to end abortion should be working to change the law AND should be supporting efforts to reduce unwanted pregnancies in the first place. Screaming at women who are already terrified may scare some of them away, and no doubt makes the busybodies happy, but it doesn&#039;t really solve anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJLawyer at #68:</p>
<p><i>Victoria doesn&#8217;t have to speak &#8220;soft and cuddly&#8221; here</i></p>
<p>I agree. But her question was <i>How soft and cuddly do you think we should talk, to those who have no more morals, than to toss a child on their way down to the sewer, through a pipe drain?</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a question about what she says here, it&#8217;s about what people should say to women considering having an abortion. I say, most of the time those women feel trapped and scared already. How useful is it to add harsh and angry words from the &#8220;loving Christians&#8221; who want her to change her mind? </p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t know where you get your information that &#8220;most&#8221; abortions are done for convenience. But in any event, I&#8217;m talking about those women who are not.)</p>
<p><i> &#8212; what kind of people are you that you don&#8217;t address the idea of expelling a child into a toilet? That&#8217;s pretty disgusting, and I would think it would be disgusting even to someone who favors abortion.</i></p>
<p>And how do you conclude that it&#8217;s not? I find that idea as repellent as you do and I&#8217;m not defending it. But the protestors at clinics don&#8217;t reserve their venom for the late-term pregnancies.  </p>
<p>Like it or not, abortion is legal. People who seriously want to end abortion should be working to change the law AND should be supporting efforts to reduce unwanted pregnancies in the first place. Screaming at women who are already terrified may scare some of them away, and no doubt makes the busybodies happy, but it doesn&#8217;t really solve anything.
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