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Answer to today’s quote: Nathaniel Hawthorne.
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Good Morning Folks. I hope everyone has a blessed day.
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This may deserve a thread of its own:
Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016669.php
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Joe B. wins! Nathanial Hawthorne is correct. Please enjoy your 12-hour-old electric-urn coffee in a stained cruise mug, shipmate!
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Whoa! That is creepy, Amphipolis! I always knew there was something about Rockefeller that I didn’t like, but this really creeps me out.
I hope our liberal friends will comment on this one.
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How does Lynn remember all our preferences for hot beverages?
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A question to Travis Birkenstock: Is your gravatar one of those old 45 rpm record inserts? That is what it reminds me of.
(For the young ones who have no clue, the old singles came on 5 inch disks with a larger hole in the middle than the 12 inch LPs. Some record players did not have a 45 adapter, so you could buy plastic inserts that looked a lot like Travis’ gravatar.)
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Oh yeah… I remember those… barely.
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Peter L,
In my best Ed McMahon voice, “You are correct, sir!”.
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#4 LOL
TGIF
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Some of you guys must really be old!
Peter L #6: Lynn has theis mega-gigabyte database with everyone in it. You can’t get away with anything. She remembers more than your wife.
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Chas, I don’t want to talk about it. I just had to buy a magnifying glass.
And speaking of being old, messy and geeky. I once cleaned out a closet and found an eight-track tape for the “Brady Bunch Live”.
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Checking to see if I get deleted rather than posted, after I preview and then hit post. I may have a rant after all . . .
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Ah, maybe it was just on the college thread–it may require an advanced blogging education to participate! Back to school for me!
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wow . . . . an 8 track cartridge? Now THAT brings back some memories, and there…….was……uummmm….*cough* am I that old??
Lynn, you might wish to change my beverage of choice in thine mega-database. I now prefer a chai tea with a dash of lime, sweetened with stevia. No more than a drop, please. That stuff is WAY sweet.
Travis….I remember having a boatload of the 45 rpm inserts. I had enough for some of my classmates who used them as trajectories in school sometimes…. sheeesh!
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On the way to work this morning, I rear-ended another car.
So there we are alongside the road and slowly the driver gets out of
the car . . . and you know how you just-get-sooo-stressed and
life-stuff seems to get funny?
Yeah, well, I could NOT believe it . . . he was a DWARF!
He storms over to my car, looks up at me and says, ‘I AM NOT HAPPY!’
So, I look down at him and say, ‘Well then, which one are you?’
. . . and that’s when the fight started
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.
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Justus331. Lynn knows that us old swabbies like our coffee strong enough to get up and walk.
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Joe B- Do you mean the coffee is strong enough to get the old swabbies walking, or that it can walk on its own?
That reminds me of when I used to make the coffee in the teachers’ lounge. I made it strong enough to suit me (much stronger than some Americans prefer). One day the English teacher (who basically liked colored water) came in my room, set her mug on the floor and said she wanted to see if the coffee would walk to me. I pointed to the water fountain just outside my room and told her it was easier for her to dilute my coffee than for me to make weak coffee stronger. (She admitted that she had an allergy, so she had to have it very weak.)
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Justs, please tell me that’s a joke. Please.
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I’m with Kyle, but I’m also guiltily laughing.
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Peter L,
My husband says that coffee is the one vice he didn’t learn in grad school. (Sometimes I ask him which are all the vices he did learn.) He had two classmates in the lab (molecular biology) who were from England, and who not only did not drink tea, they would only drink coffee that was so thick (as he puts it) that a spoon would stand up in it. And everyone knew not to even speak to them until they had had their first cup of coffee for the day.
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Strong coffee discussions begin and end with Lisa Douglas, Oliver’s wife on Green Acres. 4 cups ground coffee, 4 cups water.
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I wonder if those plastic 45 inserts actually had a name?
So what other obsolete devices or gadgets from yesteryear do you have in your garage or closet? Here’s another one. Remember the tennis racket press? Used to keep your wood tennis racket from warping.
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I will confess to having a manual can opener. I have been given 3 electric ones over my adulthood, but I always donate them still in the box to good will. I have no idea how old my can opener is…it belonged to my mother in law before I inherited it. It is all metal, doen’t even have the plastic on the handles.
I also have something that looks like a funnel only it has an opening at the botton that is the width of a wide mouth mason jar. My grandmother and mother used it for home canning.
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I have an old-fashioned manual edger for the yard. It drives my neighbors crazy to watch me rake, edge, etc. by hand. They offer all sorts of power tools to do the job, but I’m just not a fan of the noise or air pollution.
I also use a manual can opener.
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Travis 23,
An adaptor. Still have the racquet press on the wooden racquet.
Kim,
It is called a canning funnel.
Cameron,
My kids thought I was crazy to make them mow with a reel mower. Now they think I am demented because when they moved out I got a riding mower and the new kids get to use..
Well, we do have a lot more to mow in order to keep the fire danger down. And I doubt the new kids will get to use it anytime soon.
Manual typewriter, treadle sewing machine, bowl for kneading bread, hand turned mixer…
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My one and only electric can opener was possessed or something. The thing liked to throw tomato sauce on people wearing light colors. Similar to the way babies are allergic to white. It makes them throw up.
Manual typewriter? I was about to complain about my desktop computer. I went through two laptops before I realized they were not really meant to be moved.
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“(She admitted that she had an allergy, so she had to have it very weak).”
So what in the world was she doing drinking it!!!! Sounds pretty foolish to me… And to top it off she’s complaining about how someone else was making it? Okaaaayyyy…..
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My wife found the best electric canopener… She liked it so well, she bought her best friend one.
That’s after we broke several manual and electric ones trying to find one that would last. The new manual ones just don’t last like the old ones did. They have those cheap plastic bushings in them (instead of the brass) that won’t last through a couple of cans.
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Peter L. This old swabby is so old, I served as an able bodied seaman on the Ark with Noah.
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What’s wrong with using a manual can opener? The one from Pampered Chef is great. Easy to use, and doesn’t leave sharp edges. I’ve used electric ones at other people’s houses, and they always seem to splatter you when the lid comes off.
I used to use my father’s manual lawn mower, because I was afraid of running over the electric cord the way he had (my mother wouldn’t let him use a gas-powered mower). It works fine as long as you don’t let the grass get too tall. I’d use one now if I found a used one at a yard sale. (Since we have a working gas-powered mower, I can’t see spending full price to buy a new one.)
I’ve read that they’re getting popular again, these days. Instead of paying for gasoline, and sometimes for repairs, plus paying for a membership to go work out at a gym, people get their exercise using a manual mower and save money while they’re at it.
I would not go back to a manual typewriter. I like doing my editing on the screen, not having to either get it just right before I type, or having to retype the whole thing when I change my mind (or having to settle for not getting it just right). (I just edited this, in preview mode, because I got write and right mixed up.)
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And a well seasoned cast iron skillet was the original non-stick skillet. Can’t be beat. I also love my cast iron dutch oven.
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I’d like to get a reel mower–does anyone know where I can get one?
A few years ago we had several acres, so we bought a self-propelled one, and it still took all day to finish. Now we have a postage stamp for a yard, and I think the self-propelled’s damaged (holes/stumps in current yard may have mortally wounded it).
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Manual can opener, too, though I like my electric chopper for mincing garlic.
I’ve got a reel mower you can have Cameron. You’ll just have to come to northern CA to get it.
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Hmm, might offset any potential savings by making the trip…
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I’ve got a wooden shoe-stretcher in the back of my bedroom closet, the kind that has a large screw that you use to widen the “foot” and button-like inserts to place in the spot that corresponds to where the shoe pinches.
To switch the topic around, what newer devices do you have that make you wonder how you managed without them?
For me, it’s the Black & Decker jar opener. I have Arthritis in my hands and find it a real blessing.
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If you want anything retro, look on e-bay. If you can’t find someone selling it there, it probably is not available anywhere.
My wife uses a manual can opener, but has one of the new kind that takes the whole top off the can to avoid the sharp edges.
I prefer the wooden pencils over the mechanical kind, as there is no spring to break (and the lead in a wooden one is stronger).
In my bedroom is a 13″ B&W, tube-type TV with rabbit ears from the 1970s. It still works, and gets a channel from 65 miles away that the other TV in the house cannot get (the pre-cable TVs had a much better receiver).
We also have a 1950s vintage TV in the garage. The picture tube is out, but the sound is great! I wish I could put the new tube in it, or use the sound system for the new TV.
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Friends,
Some of you might be familiar with one David Kupelian author of “The Marketing of Evil” and editor at WorldNetDaily. He pens an ironic article about why so few folks are “real Christians,” and tries to peddle his theology, which according to you folks isn’t Christian at all.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59745
He’s actually a follower of one Roy Masters, a biblical Arian (denies the Trinity) who quotes from the Gnostic Gospels, and promotes “Christian mysticism” and reliance on a meditation exercise as essential for salvation.
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#36 “what newer devices do you have that make you wonder how you managed without them?”
Cable modem for accessing the internet. Dial-up was a real drag.
I like mechanical pencils because I don’t have to sharpen them. Our pencil sharpener is in the craft room downstairs, and when I’m comfortably settled in my recliner doing crosswords, I really don’t feel like going downstairs to sharpen my pencil. (Of course, I don’t feel like getting up to put laundry in the dryer, let the dog out, get my son a glass of milk, find something my husband has mislaid, let the dog back in, etc., but those have to be done anyway.) The pencil doesn’t have to be sharpened, so I either use a mechanical pencil (if someone else hasn’t taken it while I was doing all the above), or settle for a blunt point, which doesn’t show up as well to my middle-aged eyes.
I could manage without cell phones, but they are a big help. I don’t have a cell phone for work, so they usually call on the home phone, the few times they need me off hours, but the cell phones help my husband and teenage son and I keep in touch and coordinate schedules and take care of the things that one of us forgot to tell the other.
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Peter L,
ebay is great for small items, but I would hate to think what shipping charges would be on a manual lawnmower!
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Pauline,
You can only use pens on crosswords, I think there is a law somewhere. Pencils are for wood working and hanging pictures.
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So, I have been doing some studying in the hope of helping my eleven year old resolve some conflict. It appears there should be no problem for her to observe the Sabbath on Saturday in a Sunday go to meeting house. The Sabbath is a day of rest and I see no direction for it to be a going to church day. She can rest, not shop, not work, etc on Saturday and go to church with us on Sunday. Is that doable do you think?
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Yellow, No. 2 pencils. mmmmmmmm. Nice. The scoot-skit-scritch of a real pencil on a page sounds exactly like hard intellectual work. Especially if there’s an oscillating fan in the background.
I hope I never see a manual typewriter again. Notice how everyone griped when we didn’t have preview on wmb.
Ditto rotary dial phones. I could probably get along fine without my cell phone, but I really like my kids’ — the electronic leash!
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Mumsee, that really sounds workable to me, if you’re willing to live with it.
I taught myself to type on an old manual typewriter with two sticking keys. This was in 1989; I bought it for five bucks or so, got a book from the library on typing, and sat down to learn. I was going to college in the fall and was putting myself through school, so I wouldn’t have money to pay someone to type my papers.
Every time I sat down to type, no matter what time of day, someone in the apartment below hit their celing with a broom. (These same neighbors turned their music up really loud every Sunday afternoon as soon as my sister and I got home from church.) I finally had to take the typewriter out to the little storage shed on the balcony (this was summertime in Phoenix), place it on a box, and sit in great discomfort (awkward position as well as hot) to learn to type. In college I used the electric typewriters in the computer lab for about two years and then I learned Word Perfect and created my papers that way, in the computer lab. I’m very happy to have my own computer now.
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Mumsee,
That sounds both reasonable and workable. My impression is that that was the practice of the earliest Christians, who were Jews of course and in the habit of resting on the Sabbath (Saturday). Then they gathered to worship on Sunday morning, because that was when Jesus had risen from the dead. I’ve thought sometimes of trying to follow that pattern myself, especially if my husband ends up getting a church to pastor again – as pastors definitely do not get Sundays off.
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When my children were little, I was very grateful for my cordless phone. I could chat on the phone for a while, but still be able to keep an eye (& hand, if needed) on the girls.
Pauline – Years ago, with agreement from the church board, my pastor & his wife decided Monday would be their day off. One important reason for taking this special day off, & letting the congregation know about it, is to safeguard their marriage. I think that, in general, their privacy & need for time off together has been respected.
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Stubob and anyone with boys,
Along the same vein from Mumsee’s question on a Christian’s liberty to eat pork…
To circumcise or not to circumcise, that is the question.
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MUMSEE!!!
I’ve always hated people who could do crosswords with a pen. I can’t even keep my checkbook register with a pen.
As for circumcision, nobody asked me in 1958. The doctor just circumcised my son and charged me $10. I don’t know what I would have done if someone asked. I was working part-time for $1.42/hr and $10 was a lot of money.
StuBob: It irritated me when the phone company charged for push button dialing. Who benefitted by that? They did. Imagine how it would tie up the lines if everyone were to use rotary type dialing today. For that reason, I don’t e-file my taxes. The IRS is the great benefactor and they charge us for it. It’s a matter of principle with me.
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I use a manual can opener and love my cast-iron frying pans, skillet and Dutch oven. I also really, really like my electric coffee maker and my dishwasher.
and my cell phone (no landline)
My folks still had a rotary-dial phone and a party line when I started college in 1985.
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I love all the power features on my car and hope I never have to go back to one without them!
I’ve never found a manual can opener that worked well for me, but if I ever get stuck at a Pampered Chef party, I’ll remember that they have a good one. (I’ve been very diligent about not attending any home parties!)
I wouldn’t want to be without the touch tone feature on my home phone and I can’t imagine life without my computer.
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Karen O,
When my husband was a pastor, he made Monday his day off. But I worked full-time and didn’t have the same option. My “days off” (Saturday and Sunday) were spent taking care of the kids, doing laundry and cleaning and shopping, preparing for and teaching Sunday School. I found it difficult not to envy his “real” day off on Monday, with no one at home to disturb him.
When I worked at a company that got a copy of the newspaper for the lunchroom, two of us would make photocopies of the crossword puzzle so we could both do it (separately). I did that in pen (because the ink is easier to see), since copy paper holds up to pen (including crossouts and writing dark to cover a mistake) better than newsprint does, and because if it got too messed up I could always just make another photocopy.
I would consider doing Sudoku in pen, since I have to be absolutely certain before I mark in a number anyway. (Each number depends on having been right on the previous ones, so if I mess up one number I have no idea which ones I would have to change along with it, and I might as well start over completely – which would be a pain even with pencil.)
My parents eventually got a modern phone to replace one of their rotary phones, because it had speed-dial. Of course, sometimes they speed dialed me by mistake when they wanted someone else, and with my father’s poor hearing it sometimes took me a while to convince him I wasn’t who he thought I was.
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Mumsee,
I generally follow the Saturday-Sabbath pattern that you mentioned. After a week of teaching, on Saturday I am generally exhausted and I generally do pretty restful stuff (although I do laundry and vacuum the house, but that’s not really work to me). On Sunday morning I go to church, and Sunday afternoon is my prep time for the upcoming week–grading, planning, whatever.
I like it, and it works for me.
Oh, and I also love manual can openers, and I have no dishwasher (which is okay, because washing dishes is somewhat therapeutic to me). I do have a cell phone, I love iTunes, and I like the internet a lot.
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#43 STUBOB
“Yellow, No. 2 pencils. mmmmmmmm. Nice.”
Have you tried Ticonderoga #2s? They are the best wooden pencils; they sharpen best, the lead lasts best and the erasers are the best. If you like, try the larger triangle shaped Ticonderogas.
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Chas,
I am so sorry you hate me, I thought we were family and one should not hate family.
Theselittleones,
Of three boys, first two were done but not the third. No problems with any of them. We did not like what seemed to be unnecessary torture of a newborn with the plan that they would behave themselves.
Pauline,
I started using pens years ago because my grandfather did his in pen and kept at it when I tried a pencil and realized I could not see it. Not because I think I am incredibly intelligent and far above using pencil.
Thanks all, for the Sabbath and pork feedback. We have had our discussion and all is well.
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Now look what I have done. Where is preview when you need it? I knew I should not attempt the bold to Chas. It was only supposed to be the sorry part. Now I am sorrier than I was.
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Chas- If you go on-line, there are several sites for doing taxes and e-filing for free, unless you have a very difficult tax form to do.
#2 pencils: Have you ever tried the newer ones with plastic (or some other non-graphite substitute)? Yecch!
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I only use manual can openers and do not use a dishwasher. When I moved in here, there was a “built-in” can opener (I had it removed) and a dishwasher (I want it removed–I don’t even know if it works; it’s simply taking up space).
I own a cell phone, but it’s very basic, and only on when I travel or need to make a call. No voice mail, prepaid. When I had to buy a new camera three years ago, I deliberately stuck with film (OK, OK, it does have a little computer that runs it and a motorized telephoto lens–but it isn’t digital).
Re manual can openers: Get the most expensive one in the store, not the cheapest, and it should work OK. I always make sure I own two, because after a few years it will randomly break, and then it’s really good to have a replacement.
Oh yes, I don’t want an ice maker on my freezer, or auto defrost, and I didn’t plug in my speakers on my computer, since I don’t want it talking to me. My current car has automatic door locks and power windows; I’ve had it since 1999 and it’s my first car to have those features. But alas, the dirver’s side window decided to stop working, and that means I now have to open the door twice at a bank drive-through, three times at fast-food drive-through. The power window was great at my old job, where I got in and out of the parking garage with a pass, but now I’d just as soon have the manual kind (except that I love being able to roll down the other windows in the car from my seat).
New features can be really nice, but I’m not in love with technology. And I refuse to read a book on my computer unless I’m editing it.
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Re circumcision, though I am not a mother of boys, I’m in a boy-dominant family. One nephew had to have it done when he was about eight, and that’s far worse, and the reason my sister chose to do it at birth with her sons. I know another child who had to have it done later too. My sister has insisted on having her sons done with a “bell” (I can’t say anything more about the instrument, except that that is what it’s called, and it’s supposed to be much safer for the child, no risk of a knife slipping). And apparently there was a very good reason that Jewish babies were done on the eight day of life: Modern medicine has found that that is the least painful day to have it done!
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PeterL
Obnoxious.
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Cheryl D- I thought the 8th day was when the proper coagulants, or whatever, were finally present.
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Well, since we’re taking a census: I have a manual can opener. I don’t like how the electric ones look on the counter, and we don’t open all that many cans.
Peter L.
She had a coffee allergy? I’ve never heard of that until now. Can’t abide weak coffee. I won’t drink it.
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My little nephew was circumcised today.
I asked if it was being done by a rabbi (since he’s out of the hospital, already). He said no, but that the doctor was Jewish and would say the blessing of circumcision.
Naturally, I was curious, what could that be?
So I asked him. He said it was a blessing.
There was a pause, and then I asked a stupid and embarrassing question. “Are they going to bless the whole baby?”
A long pause.
“yes.”
It really pays to think before one speaks!
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Mumsee, you know that I couldn’t work up a hatred for you if I tried. But my feelings were hurt until I saw your #55.
Peter L. I’ve already paid almost $45 for TurboTax. I’ll work with it this time.
EYG: I had to read that twice before I got it.
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Memo to: KyleA #19 and Michelle #20
Laugh all you want, my precious friends, for the man of Justus will enthrall you with many more jokes of this type. mwahahahahahaahaaha
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Justus & EYG – Thanks for the laughs today. But, Justus, did you really say that?
Can-openers – I, too, use a manual one (a very good, sturdy, & easy one). Like someone already said, the electric ones tend to splatter.
Pencils – When my younger daughter was littler, she called mechanical pencils “electrical pencils”.
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EYG #62. Don’t feel bad. I’ve said some dumb things. For example when Pope John Paul I died a month after Pope Paul VI. Someone came in the room and said “Did you hear the pope died.” And I said, “You mean he died again.”
Dumbest thing I’ve said since becoming a parent. “Careful, dear, don’t break your new drum.”
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As for many of the kosher or Jewish laws, there typically was a really good reason for it. Being a woman, I can tell you from past experience, if I ever get involved with another man he will be circumcised. I won’t go any further than that but may Stubob will explain how it is better for the female of the species.
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33, Cameron, I tried a Google search for “reel mower” and got links to Amazon.com, Target.com, and a bunch of other places. Eartheasy.com had one guy’s testimonial after one season with his reel mower.
My neighbors across the street have a reel mower that I think they got at LL Bean (up the street from us), and one of their daughters likes to use it on their small front lawn. But their dad prefers a power mower and sometimes borrows ours (and usually mows part of our lawn for us in return!). I’d like a reel mower (used one occasionally growing up), but my husband doesn’t think it would work very well – lawn’s too big and too bumpy.
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Reel mowers get dull easily, they seize up with every twig, and they cost as much as a power mower. They are cool, however.
RE: Circumcision. Personal choice. BUT, as Cheryl points out, many boys who don’t have it done as infants require it later. It’s about 15%. “Later” can mean much later, like 90’s. Imagine the body image problems.
Also, the incidence of cancer of the penis in uncircumcised men is 1 in 650. It’s nearly zero in circumcised men. I’m not aware of a down side to circumcision.
I decline to follow up on Kim’s comment
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My dad, an original environmentalist (a logger), used a reel mower all of the time and had a fairly large yard. The same mower he was using when I was a wee child. Waste not want not and all. He also spent a good deal of time sitting in the yard digging up weeds (no weedkiller on that yard!) He considered it a good way to keep in shape. He used it up until the heart attack he had when beating my twenty two year old son on the tennis court at seventy four or so. The docs said he was in such good shape they could not find the damage but knew he had had one. Anyway, he then conceded to use a gas mower my older brother found for him but not self propelled. He still beats me at tennis and golf.
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Kim,
I really cannot imagine knowing that (whether he is or isn’t) one way or the other before marriage–or basing a marriage on such a factor. And no, I don’t want to know more about why you feel so strongly!
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I too use a manual can opener and although I own a simple electric hand mixer, I usually use a wisk. All through college in the early 80’s, I used my father’s manual typewriter (and I couldn’t type!). I am so happy to have computers now.
Of course, I don’t use a lot of modern things here. My iron is charcoal heated (fortunately I don’t use it myself) and my “hot” water is sun-heated or heated on my butane stove. Blow dryers and curling irons use too much power for the solar panels and batteries, so that’s out. My refrigerator runs off a butane bottle as well as the stove. Both have the amazing capacity to run out at the most inconvenient times.
I have dial-up internet connection and although it is slow (28.8), I am thrilled to have it. It keeps me from getting completely out of touch with the rest of the world.
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Actually Karen, my buddy Pierre sent that joke (see post 16) to my e-mail. I reckon he got it from his boss at IBM.
ok………….so where are we getting the pizza tonight? Oh……and what are your favorite pizza toppings, all??
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My favorite pizza is with “light” (as in using only 1/2 the amount) and pineapple. That’s it!
I used to love green peppers and onions but they started behaving very badly so had to give them up!
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Ooops! I meant to say light cheese! (And I even used preview.)
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Justus, I actually did have pizza last night, at Carrabbas.
We had everything except Olives and eggplant.
I don’t like olives, but my husband does. And, he doesn’t like eggplant, but I do.
It was thin crust and done just right.
I was happy with just one piece. (Maybe that’s the blessing of an ‘everything’ pizza.)
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We had company a couple of nights ago and the kids made pizza. Thick crust, ground beef, pineapple, olives, mushrooms, three types of cheese. Made the crust with just a touch of vineagar. Very tasty.
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We had pizza for lunch yesterday – thin crust, cheese and kalamata olives – and then the boys ate the leftover pieces for supper. I had leftover curried chicken that a friend brought me the other day.
My husband ate at the hospital cafeteria before he left work.
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Hamburger, bacon, & onion has become a family favorite. I also like sausage on a pizza, & mushrooms. And if the pizza place is good enough, even a plain cheese pizza can be delicious.
Big Y (a grocery chain) has delicious pizza. Next to that, I’d choose Papa T’s, in a nearby town.
When I was a kid, we lived in Ohio for several years. Cassano’s Pizza King had a peanut pizza that was really good!
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Other all time favorite to me besides Hawaiian is barbecued chicken. Mmm mmm. The new kids thought I was insane (could be right) but they gave it a try and all really liked it.
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I have actually had a lobster / wild mushroom pizza. Very nice, indeed. Karen, there is a Big Y in Walpole, Mass…….maybe a 1/2 hour drive for me.
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EYG, I’m with you on not being a fan of olives…… Maybe it’s the brine.
I remember having their veal parm over linguine. mmmmmmmmmmmm
There is a Carrabas here in Rhode Island….in Warwick. I’ve actually been there to dine, and found it to be quite good.
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