Comments on: The equivocation of racism, part II http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:35:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265813 Night Train Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:19:32 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265813 <i>God has made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth … (Acts 17:26)</i> Which is just more proof that the Bible is not the inspired word of God. There are several different type of blood, as even elementary kids now, and they are not at all fungible. And trying to pass off racist Paul and the rest of the Bible as non-racist is a real knee slapper. It's right up there with "God hate slavery". God has made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth … (Acts 17:26)

Which is just more proof that the Bible is not the inspired word of God. There are several different type of blood, as even elementary kids now, and they are not at all fungible.

And trying to pass off racist Paul and the rest of the Bible as non-racist is a real knee slapper. It’s right up there with “God hate slavery”.

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]]> By: Luke http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265445 Luke Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:04:51 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265445 Mmmm, Xion's selective memory Re: theology and racism aside: I'm surprised this thread has turned largely away from "Jay-Z made falsified claims of racism" to "Cristal was idiotic for alienating a favored customer." Weird. Mmmm, Xion’s selective memory Re: theology and racism aside:

I’m surprised this thread has turned largely away from “Jay-Z made falsified claims of racism” to “Cristal was idiotic for alienating a favored customer.”

Weird.

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]]> By: Xion http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265406 Xion Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:57:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265406 Race is a marketing ploy, a tactic for winning elections, getting jobs and sympathy and avoid actual discussion. But the term is passé according to <a href="http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0011-3204%28198212%2923%3A6%3C641%3ARRTPDO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage" rel="nofollow">modern anthropology</a>. Of course, theologians have known this for quite some time. <i>God has made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth ...</i> (Acts 17:26) Race is a marketing ploy, a tactic for winning elections, getting jobs and sympathy and avoid actual discussion. But the term is passé according to modern anthropology. Of course, theologians have known this for quite some time.

God has made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth … (Acts 17:26)

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]]> By: llama http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265304 llama Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:27:50 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265304 As a business owner, the best customers are those that pay their bills on time and in full. Race or profession has nothing to do with it. No one is breaking any laws of man or God. The last time the French were right about something was when they defeated themselves in the French revolution. As a business owner, the best customers are those that pay their bills on time and in full. Race or profession has nothing to do with it. No one is breaking any laws of man or God.

The last time the French were right about something was when they defeated themselves in the French revolution.

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]]> By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265166 krm Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:58:22 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265166 I wouldn't want a bunch of rappers prominently using my product either. It isn't race, it is concern for one's product/image on a long term basis. I wouldn’t want a bunch of rappers prominently using my product either. It isn’t race, it is concern for one’s product/image on a long term basis.

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]]> By: Lester http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265137 Lester Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:28:54 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265137 Leave it to the Frenchies to have no clue how economics works. He should be glad people are buying his product. I don't hear Mercedes, Lexus, Glock or any other company complaining that rappers use/buy their products. Heck, maybe he's sly like a fox. This is all free publicity; maybe more people with money to burn will try his bubbly to see what all the hype is about. Of course, those who know wine realize that you can get a good bottle of bubbly for far less than what Cristal charges. Leave it to the Frenchies to have no clue how economics works. He should be glad people are buying his product. I don’t hear Mercedes, Lexus, Glock or any other company complaining that rappers use/buy their products.

Heck, maybe he’s sly like a fox. This is all free publicity; maybe more people with money to burn will try his bubbly to see what all the hype is about.

Of course, those who know wine realize that you can get a good bottle of bubbly for far less than what Cristal charges.

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]]> By: adios http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265133 adios Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:25:06 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265133 The comment could be just as offensive, I suppose, but it is not a comment of race, but class. The comment could be just as offensive, I suppose, but it is not a comment of race, but class.

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]]> By: Bob Buckles http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265095 Bob Buckles Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:15:24 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265095 As a conservative and a Republican, who cares about race? As a conservative and a Republican, who cares about race?

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]]> By: Luke http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265084 Luke Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:54:57 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265084 Oh g-d, I reread that and remembered how much I HATE rhetorical questions. Allow me to rephrase: <b>A dispute over $600 bottles of wine tells us nothing valuable about race relations.</i> Oh g-d,

I reread that and remembered how much I HATE rhetorical questions. Allow me to rephrase:

A dispute over $600 bottles of wine tells us nothing valuable about race relations.

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]]> By: Luke http://online.worldmag.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-265081 Luke Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:51:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/01/22/the-equivocation-of-racism-part-ii/#comment-265081 Oh, you mean is Louis Roederer a "racist" company for not liking the hip hop community's affection for Cristal? Who really knows. It's pretty widely acknowledge that The Economist contributer who wrote the article deliberately made the language more inflammatory than Frederic Rouzaud had meant, and Jay-Z (who is in no means representative of race relations) was reacting to that article and reports about that article. Still Rouzaud did express displeasure at the attention, indicating that he was not just concerned with selling bottles of wine but also that those bottles be bough by the <i>right people</i>. And that seems to come from a moderately racist place to me. At best, it's still elitist and snobby! Post the hype, Jay-Z has taken Rouzaud up on his suggestion that Krug and Dom Pérignon would appreciate his business, and I don't really object to someone not buying wine from someone who doesn't respect their business. What is important to me is that Ford's tone doesn't make me trust him. He's coming off as a ranting conservative, not as someone who's primary goal is improvement in race relations or a racial equality activist. Maybe that's Harrison's fault, but I doubt it. I think his examples betray is disrespectful motivations. What does a dispute over $600 bottles of wine tell us about race relations anyway? Oh, you mean is Louis Roederer a “racist” company for not liking the hip hop community’s affection for Cristal?

Who really knows. It’s pretty widely acknowledge that The Economist contributer who wrote the article deliberately made the language more inflammatory than Frederic Rouzaud had meant, and Jay-Z (who is in no means representative of race relations) was reacting to that article and reports about that article.

Still Rouzaud did express displeasure at the attention, indicating that he was not just concerned with selling bottles of wine but also that those bottles be bough by the right people. And that seems to come from a moderately racist place to me. At best, it’s still elitist and snobby!

Post the hype, Jay-Z has taken Rouzaud up on his suggestion that Krug and Dom Pérignon would appreciate his business, and I don’t really object to someone not buying wine from someone who doesn’t respect their business.

What is important to me is that Ford’s tone doesn’t make me trust him. He’s coming off as a ranting conservative, not as someone who’s primary goal is improvement in race relations or a racial equality activist. Maybe that’s Harrison’s fault, but I doubt it. I think his examples betray is disrespectful motivations.

What does a dispute over $600 bottles of wine tell us about race relations anyway?

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