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Clinton and McCain win, Rudy out?
Hillary Clinton won big over Barack Obama (but gaining no delegates … for now) in Florida’s Democratic primary, while John McCain edged out Mitt Romney for all of the Sunshine State’s GOP delegates, pushing him into the overall lead. Rumor has it that Rudy Giuliani, who finished a distant third in Florida, will drop out and endorse McCain tomorrow. On to Super Tuesday!
Topic: Campaign 2008, WorldMagBlog
Keywords: barack-obama, campaign-2008, Florida Primary, Hillary-Clinton, John-McCain, mitt-romney, rudy-giuliani
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McCain’s disingenuous distortions this week actually worked. But I do think a waking up process will begin soon or else Republicans are in for a long liberal nightmare (and that is if McCain wins in November).
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Rudy should have switched to the Dems. He would appeal to strong defense Henry “Scoop” Jackson types in the party (both of us!) and his pro-Gay, proAbort and anti-2nd Amendment views would have been completely mainstream among the majority of Democrats.
Not even the Clintons ever marched in any Gay Pride parade (which I understand lotsa R politicians do in the NorthEast) And the NRTL repeatedly has run an ad where Giuliani sez he would give his daughter the money for an abortion.
Not the way to win friends and supporters in the R party as far as I can see it.
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Edwards is to get the AG job in an Obama administration. Not sure what Giuliani is maneuvering for in a McCain presidency. McCain’s veep wont be a Dan Quayle
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Edwards is to get the AG job in an Obama administration.
Yeah, like that’s gonna happen. Obama administration – that’s hilarious.
Looks real bad for the Huckster. I think Romney still has legs, but he needs some big wins a week from tomorrow. Ron Paul will probably get bigger percentages with his upcoming indy run than he’s getting now. He may be the Ross Perot of 2008, ensuring the Clinton’s return to the White House.
Obama administration! LMBO!
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If McCain gets the nomination he better pray to God that nothing goes wrong in Iraq between now an November. Given that the war is the signature issue that he’s running on, he’s taking a huge gamble. I don’t know if it will be enough, even if the war remains status quo. Considering that the majority of the American people want us out of Iraq, it could be a deal breaker for him. Also, if the economy is bad, the Republicans will pay the price for being in control when thing went south.
I still think Clinton is gonna pull it off and win the nomination. If it’s her, she will have my full support in November. If it’s Obama, he will have my full support. Either of them will be far better than any of the Republicans.
If Romney wins the nomination, it’s gonna be a huge nasty fight between him and whomever the Democrats put up. He strikes me as a man who will go to any lengths to win, no matter how low he has to go.
I think it’s all gonna shake out on Super Tuesday. Could be wrong – we shall see.
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Obama has another week to enjoy his fairy tale.
Come Tuesday night, he turns back into a frog.
Mr. and Mrs. Ordinary White American Democrat, who are the vast majority of voters, are simply not going to nominate a man who’s close friends with a guy who loves Louis Farrakhan and trashes murdered white girls like Natalee Holloway.
And, of course, when he loses, it will be blamed on “white racism”, naturally.
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Anlir,
While I agree with you that a downturn in the war would be bad for any GOP candidate, I think there’s something you’re overlooking. Don’t forget, Bush caught Osama a long time ago, and is going to trot out the news just in time for the election. Or was that supposed to happen in 04? I get confused sometimes…
/sarcasm
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I think this is bad.
You have a super-primary coming up, with a week for the media to dote on McCain.
The way things are shaping up, this next round could potentially decide this thing.
McCain has two things going for him the media’ bias, and he’s got big mo’ going for him going in to the super primary.
It’s a lose-lose for conservatism, if McCain comes out on top.
If he should happen to get enough independent votes, to counter the conservatives who won’t vote, and actually win in Nov., you can bet that
conservatism will be further re-defined to the left…while the left will just keep going farther to the left.
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#8^)
“big mo’” would be momentum for those not familiar with sports lingo.
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McCain will not win in November. Unless the Earth stands still, and Obama somehow becomes the nominee, it doesn’t matter who the GOP nominates. They’re toast. Apparently most of the people on WoW haven’t really come to grips with the depths of the anger and hatred of Bush that’s out there. And it’s not just liberal wackos and far out leftists. I’m talking about average, ordinary Americans. A huge number of them, who used to love W, now despise him, and consequently despise his party. As long as Hillary doesn’t start attending a church pastored by a freak who reveres Louis Farrakhan, the White House will be hers. For extra insurance, you’ll have Ron Paul’s indy run, which will siphon more GOP votes than Dem votes.
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Rudy’s toast. Now it’s McCain’s mo vs Mitt’s bucks. My money is on the money.
Regardless, Huckabee is by far the most likely Veep candidate. Maybe you guys ought to plunk for McCain who is much more likely to expire in office…
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Arcadia’s probably right about Huckabee being the VP nominee. There’s a winning formula. Imagine that campaign slogan:
McCain/Huckabee-The Old Guy and The Agent of Intolerance
Kinda has a ring to it, huh?
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There’s plenty of campaign finance dirt left on Hillary, that none of the dems. are apparently willing to use.
If the nominee is Mitt, I’m pretty sure that dirt will come out. With McCain, I think his secret crush on Hillary will keep him from stooping to that level. Hillary doesn’t have any real ammo she can use against McCain. His positions are pretty much like her’s.
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McCain can’t beat Hillary, but he’ll do better than Romney would. Romney strikes people as a (insert rude name for rectum/male genitalia here). Even more than Hillary comes off as a you know what.
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Wow.
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Fyne, Jr., huh?
Are you any relation to Martin Luther King, Jr?
How about Absorbine, Jr?
(Say, whatever happened to Absorbine, Sr. anyway?)
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Hillary hasn’t picked up anymore deligates yet, and by all accounts our primary will not be decided on the 5th.
Making Edwards the Attorney General? That is enough of a reason to vote Obama. I think if people see this line up:
President Obama
Vice President Sebelius
Attorney General Edwards
Secretary of State Winfrey!
I think people will turn out if droves to see it happen!
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I don’t think McCain should pick Huckabee as VP. McCain needs the independent voters to beat the democrats. Independents are far more important than evangelicals to a republican in a general election. They might be scared off by a VP that thinks Jesus is his running mate, especially with McCain being 72, a cancer survivor, and an ex-POW. McCain would do better picking someone that is less noticeable and won’t say anything that might be embarassing or potentially self-destructive. Huckabee could very well do that.
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I guess evangelicals were a non-issue. Certainly not a key to success in Florida.
McCain won it by getting votes from liberals, seniors, and hispanics.
Here is the tale of the primaries:
Iowa – Evangelicals pick Huckabee, Independents pick Obama (Huckabee and Obama crowned)
New Hampshire – Independents pick McCain, Women pick Clinton (McCain and Clinton crowned)
Michigan – Locals pick Romney, democrats don’t count
Nevada – Mormons pick Romney, Clinton and Obama tie
S. Carolina – Obama wins black vote and McCain wins close election
Florida – Seniors pick McCain, democrats don’t count (but Clinton celebrates victory)
Guess that sums it up.
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Who wants to bet that this all ends in a series of lawsuits by both democrats and republicans?
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#10, you’re wrong. Average, ordinary Ameicans aren’t angry with W. They understand that he did what was necessary to seek and destroy the cowardly weasels who attacked us, and have since tried several more times.
Don’t try to speak for us…it’s you left wingers and the far, far out wackos who have the sick anger and hatred of W.
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What in the world are republicans thinking? Sure I understand Mitt’s a Mormon (I am an evangelical myself), but McC has no leaning toward anything remotely Christian–in fact he has called us every mean name in the book. And yes I understand that Mitt’s very formal and upstanding and has very recognizable family values (I guess the family vote for family values is not as strong as as we claim), but McC has a divorce background that should be noticed–he dumped his wife while she was sick in the hospital–and has not been anywhere near a champion for family values in any way shape or form. As for the economy–this is a no brainer, Romney is the ONLY candidate on either side that actually understands and has worked in the arena of economics, and what does McC have to offer? Nada. Nothing. He lies now, but he was clear on voting against the Bush tax cuts. On the war, maybe he sounds tough–but that might be he likes playing with power…for goodness sake he voted to tie the hands of people who want to keep us safe. What are you republicans thinking. And as for Huckable…his Christianity is a utilitarian religion, for he is using it to get votes. Faith is not the measure of his life, but the way he seeks to gain the conservative evangelical vote. That’s sin. Not moral character. I can only hope that the super tuesday states have enough sense to lean toward Romney. Heaven hell us if not.
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Well, not every Republican is an evangelical, Wordsnstone. It is only the evangelicals (and not all of them at that) who seem to care about Romney’s Mormonism. Romney will get my vote in NJ, mainly because I want to try to keep this thing going between him and McCain. So far, we’ve been all over the lot on both sides and it hasn’t settled down yet.
One thing I’ve noticed from this electoral season so far is that it hasn’t mattered that Hillary was the presumed nominee going in, nor is Romney’s money buying the nomination either. Whatever one’s feelings are, this makes the case that the people still have a say. You can’t buy an election, nor can you expect to be crowned.
Luke: “Secretary of State Winfrey!” — If you’re serious about this, you have a real problem.
(Night Train: I’m surprised at you. You’re being a tad rough.)
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John McCain is a complete disaster for the Republican Party. The party is showing it will do anything to return to power and that includes nominating a liberal like McCain. Come on and wake up! He is endorsed by the New York Times. Need I say more. JOHN MCAIN AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS LOST MY VOTE UNTIL THEY RETURN TO CONSERVATIVE POSITIONS.
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Don’t try to speak for us…it’s you left wingers and the far, far out wackos who have the sick anger and hatred of W.
I love WoW. Keep watching FOX News, pal. Anyone who thinks I’m a left winger is the perfect viewer for FOX, where the truth is Hannitized for your protection.
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NJLawyer, yes I know Mitt’s mormonism is an issue with more than just evangelicals, but my comment was toward evangelism who havethat problem. We have banked our “issues” on so-called candidates who claim some association to evangelical Christianity, but have actually received very little in return. That’s all I meant.
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Behind the scenes strategy. Huckabee stays in to split the stricter conservative vote with Romney. McCain eventually wins the nomination and Huckabee is the VP choice.
I don’t see Romney choosing Huckabee as VP if he wins. McCain doesn’t stand a chance without the evangelical strict conservative vote. Even with it the road is bumpy.
The only other strategy that I can foresee at this time is that McCain is counting on Huck and Mitt to split the vote. No strategy involving Huck as VP. Perhaps it will be McCain/Thompson.
It would accomplish the same thing, as a big chunk of the conservative bloc will like Thompson as VP choice.
I think I’m starting to see this play out.
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BTW, with all due respect to SC, if anybody doubts what a more diverse state will do with their vote in the Obama/Hillary race come Super Tuesday, see the Florida results.
The numbers were definitely in Hillary’s favor and the Floridians didn’t even have to turn out as they have been stripped of their delegates for breaking DNC rules. The voters still spoke as I would expect many of the Super Tuesday states to speak.
In the long run, on the primary side, Hillary will probably prevail.
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I’m relieved to see Guiliani on his last legs. That’s one bullet dodged.
Anlir, why would you be equally happy with Clinton or Obama? Clinton’s foreign policy is little different than Bush’s. She voted for the war in Iraq, she continued to fund it, she voted to label Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, giving Bush justification under existing anti-terrorism laws to attack them unilaterally, and she has failed to speak out against immunity for the telecom’s complicity in spying on Americans. (I think both she and Obama have been absent for those votes, but Obama has publicly said he’s against it.)
Clinton is secretive — she’s fighting against releasing records from her tenure as First Lady — and her naked ambition makes her play dirty: campaigning in Florida after the candidates agreed not to, some pretty unfair smears of Obama, trying to disenfranchise voters in Nevada after the Culinary Worker’s Union endorsed Obama.
I’d be happy to see Obama as president. In fact, I’d vote for him over McCain. My first choice would be Paul, but since limited government is not going to happen, I’d rather see our obese bureaucracy work openly and for the people instead of behind closed doors and for corporate interests. I’d rather see it led by someone who espouses honest and fair dialog.
If Obama were in the running, I might just vote for him. If he’s not, I’ll vote third party so I’m not responsible for putting into office another power-hungry warmonger with little regard for civil liberties.
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Sure he does. Who are they going to vote for? Hillary? Obama?
McCain vs. any democrat secures the evangelical vote because they will not (as a bloc) sit this election out or vote for a 3rd party candidate. Against Hillary, McCain could pick a moderate VP to draw the anti-Clinton vote. Against Obama, McCain might want someone with more youth and verve (maybe Huckabee) to avoid the contest being old regime vs. new regime.
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I agree with you about not needing to attract the evangelicals. Unless a 3rd party candidate can rally the Christians, the republicans will get the christian vote, unless they just don’t show up (which is a possibility).
McCain will still be 72 and a cancer survivor, a male, and a ex-POW. His mother is still alive but she never had cancer, is female, and never was captured and tortured as an enemy. McCain may not live as long as his mother. Her life has been a little easier and less stressed.
Against Hillary, the Christians will show. She is personified as a witch among them. Christians love to burn witches.
Against Obama, McCain needs a candidate who has optimism and vision and youth.
Huckabee has not rallied the evangelical vote as people expected, except for Iowa. His excessive “Jesus” talk and campaigning as the “Christian” candidate are probably a liability at this point. Especially considering his floundering ideas.
Thompson might make a good VP for any candidate. He has an air of honesty and respectability and is a great contrast to Cheney. He does lack the energy and enthusiasm needed for a good president though.
Romney seems to be disliked by the entire field. I am not sure if it is his money or his religion or his attack ads. McCain was angry with Bush for attack ads so McCain certainly holds a grudge. Huckabee seems most angry about Romney’s financial edge, although their are hints that the mormon issue bothers Huckabee as well. I think Giuliani is ambitious so he is strapping himself to McCain in hopes of joining the winning side.
Edwards is dropping out. Wonder how that will change the dynamic on the democratic side.
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Wordsnstone, I do understand what you’re saying, but we have to remember that the country — despite all we read here from our liberal friends — is not an “evangelical” country. Many of the things we may want as evangelicals can be accomplished not by statute, but by a change of the heart. Christians should participate in elections to keep these issues discussed in the public square, no matter how irritating we may be to liberals. We should have no illusions, however, that we can — or should — control the government. After all, Jesus stood at the door and knocked. Sometimes we can but make the offer.
Theo, I smiled when I read your paragraph about McCain’s mother and “stress.” Sometimes it is the stress that keeps us going! I’m not in favor of age discrimination even in the presidency. You do have a point about Romney being “disliked” across the board. I don’t know what it is; I’m not sure it is any one of those things you mentioned, maybe it’s a combination, but I’m not sure it’s warranted.
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JJF,
I disagree with you that McCain will secure the evangelical vote. Dole lost because many sat out the election, and I suspect at least as many would sit out McCain. (For the record, I voted for Dole but will not vote for McCain. If McCain is the nominee, Democrats will win; that’s my prediction. I think Romney is likely to win if he’s the candidate–though I’m not excited by him. Huckabee I don’t know, and not excited by him either.)
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Romney will be good in a head to head vs either Obama or the Clintons. His mormon background won’t be as big a disadvantage against a woman or a black. The biases will partly cancel out.
McCain won’t likely be able to beat either Billary or Obama. Independents will pick Obama over McCain and Billary is a tough match for anyone, although I think more conservatives would vote against Billary.
McCain’s straight talk will fizzle by November however as people gradually realize he is just another politician with a murky past and a willingness to blur the truth. The democrats will drag up past filth on him and he will be covered in mud before the elections.
Romney might be lucky not to win the republican nomination. If he can keep a high profile til 2012, he might actually stand a better chance then. The democrats won’t likely lose in 2008.
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Theo — “The democrats won’t likely lose in 2008.”
This whole “affair” has defied a lot of convention. Are you sure you want to be held to this prediction?
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If the end result is a McCain/Hillary or Obama choice, unless there is a solid conservative on the McCain ticket, I am inclined to believe that enough evangelicals and other conservatives will just sit this one out.
Don’t underestimate the frustration that conservatives share over the Republicans choice of using them like a $2 crack whore. (I know, pretty graphic, but many evangelicals and conservative feel that they have indeed been used)
I agree with one of the commentors yesterday who described McCain as a “moderate democrat.” For social and moral conservatives McCain just isn’t a choice.
As I stated above, if the Republican ticket is McCain/Thompson then it was a brilliant strategy on the part of McCain to let Romney and Huckabee share the conservative vote.
If it ends up McCain/Huckabee then I must admit that there was some good old fashioned political compromising done in the back room of some Holiday Inn Select.
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So, Metanoia, you think people will sit out the election and just let a Democrat have it? Why would anyone on the Republican/Conservative side want to punish the country?
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Yes, I personally know some who are willing to sit out to “make a point.” A very costly point, but they would do it as a matter of conviction. In a twisted sort of way they rationalize that the Democrats have earned it by outmaneuvering the Republicans.
In their thinking the Republicans have shown that they don’t deserve to continue taking the conservative vote for granted.
Personally, I believe this kind of scenario couldn’t have come at a worse time when there are SCOTUS appointments that will surely be made in the next President’s term.
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I’m so sick of hearing about the importance of voting GOP because of Supreme Court vacancies, and what they can mean to various Christians causes like gay marriage and abortion. What a load of crap. The Constitution gives Congress the right to restrict what cases the SC may rule on, and if the GOP were serious about these things they would have mounted an effort to do just that. But they didn’t, because they’re not. The idea that the SC can make all these outrageous rulings and there’s nothing we can do but wait for a bunch of them to retire or die so we can get our guys in is a bunch of craven, unconstitutional nonsense.
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Night Train,
You said a mouthful there, brother.
I think both parties keep mentioning the importance of SC appointments for their own pet issues simply to benefit their respective parties.
IOW, it’s the “we gotta have a bogey man around to justify our continuing influence” syndroem.
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