Comments on: Hillary is what we want her to be http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:26:23 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270501 Scroop Moth Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:30:50 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270501 JOEL MARK: <i>I think he appeals to some able-bodied young Americans who feel entitled to be taken care of by the government—to those who want to benefit from the fruit of other people’s labor.</i> Obama might appeal to people who switch to Vonage due to unpaid phone bills, but I don't think he'll get very far with the slacker vote, even if they appeal to <i>him</i> which I'm sure they don't. Obama wants to put people to work, and he wants to put the government to work, too. JOEL MARK: I think he appeals to some able-bodied young Americans who feel entitled to be taken care of by the government—to those who want to benefit from the fruit of other people’s labor.

Obama might appeal to people who switch to Vonage due to unpaid phone bills, but I don’t think he’ll get very far with the slacker vote, even if they appeal to him which I’m sure they don’t. Obama wants to put people to work, and he wants to put the government to work, too.

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]]> By: Bianca http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270184 Bianca Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:16:49 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270184 9 Do I not hate those who hate thee, Lord? ~ King David 9 Do I not hate those who hate thee, Lord? ~ King David

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]]> By: Harris http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270084 Harris Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:36:37 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270084 Although Fish is not interested in this aspect, his essay does suggest a point that Christians might want to pick up on: our need to see other people as people. One of the easiest things in all politics is to demonize the opponent -- to make him or her the embodiment of some evil, or to believe the worst about them. Goodness, I've certainly done that with more than a few Republicans in my time. The Gospel challenge is to be principled in opposition while allowing our selves to be surprised by, or to be open to seeing the person in our opponent. Even a Hillary. Although Fish is not interested in this aspect, his essay does suggest a point that Christians might want to pick up on: our need to see other people as people.

One of the easiest things in all politics is to demonize the opponent — to make him or her the embodiment of some evil, or to believe the worst about them. Goodness, I’ve certainly done that with more than a few Republicans in my time. The Gospel challenge is to be principled in opposition while allowing our selves to be surprised by, or to be open to seeing the person in our opponent. Even a Hillary.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270083 Scroop Moth Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:32:52 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270083 Remember, liberals don't just hate Bush, they also "hate America." That makes their hatred different than your typical Hillary hate. Liberals fault Bush for <i>using</i> American militarism and evangelicalism for his political ends, but not for creating the fanaticism that led to the disaster of his presidency. The fault is in ourselves, the dark forces that prompt us to vote Republican, not in our Republican politicians. Liberals don't blame everything on Bush the way conservatives blame everything on the Clintons. Remember, liberals don’t just hate Bush, they also “hate America.” That makes their hatred different than your typical Hillary hate. Liberals fault Bush for using American militarism and evangelicalism for his political ends, but not for creating the fanaticism that led to the disaster of his presidency. The fault is in ourselves, the dark forces that prompt us to vote Republican, not in our Republican politicians. Liberals don’t blame everything on Bush the way conservatives blame everything on the Clintons.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270075 Scroop Moth Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:13:27 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270075 You're frothing, DAV Fish needs to write a column about the irrational haters who hate Bush, too. Some of them are paranoid schizophrenic. If we eliminate that batch from consideration, I think Fish would find fewer bashers who hate Bush for reasons that are mutually incompatible. They may hate Bush intensely but not so incoherently. And I think their hatred of Bush would dwell on how his character flaws lead to policy disaster, rather than how his character flaws reveal him to be moral monster. Bush killed thousands of innocent people, and he should be indicted for war crimes, but Bush isn't Hanibal Lecter. You’re frothing, DAV

Fish needs to write a column about the irrational haters who hate Bush, too. Some of them are paranoid schizophrenic. If we eliminate that batch from consideration, I think Fish would find fewer bashers who hate Bush for reasons that are mutually incompatible. They may hate Bush intensely but not so incoherently. And I think their hatred of Bush would dwell on how his character flaws lead to policy disaster, rather than how his character flaws reveal him to be moral monster. Bush killed thousands of innocent people, and he should be indicted for war crimes, but Bush isn’t Hanibal Lecter.

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]]> By: momoffour http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270067 momoffour Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:28:24 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270067 That's a great point, Kyle. Hadn't thought of it... That’s a great point, Kyle. Hadn’t thought of it…

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]]> By: Kyle A http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270063 Kyle A Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:48:21 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270063 And how should we regard her tears? Is she to be judged by the same standards as a man and be regarded as weak for crying during her campaign? Or is she to be judged as a woman who's sensitvity is a strength? Or. . . Is it simply political strategy like almost everything the candidates do? And how should we regard her tears?

Is she to be judged by the same standards as a man and be regarded as weak for crying during her campaign? Or is she to be judged as a woman who’s sensitvity is a strength?

Or. . .

Is it simply political strategy like almost everything the candidates do?

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]]> By: janie http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270028 janie Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:17:07 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270028 Can we not want her to be president without "hating" her? She certainly does inspire a wide range of emotions, though. Can we not want her to be president without “hating” her? She certainly does inspire a wide range of emotions, though.

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]]> By: Dav http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-270008 Dav Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:33:08 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-270008 Uh, a reason to hate Hillary? How about this...she's a felon who beat the system countless times, and instead of running for President, she ought to be serving time. Or how about this?...she advocates for the killing of babies. What if she came out and instead of advocating for killing babies, she advocated for birthing them and giving them up for adoption? How many lives would that save? Or how about this?...she's a radical feminist. And feminism has been one of the most effective tools for hurting America ever. I could go on. I don't need more reasons. But I will say this...anyone who votes for her ought to examine themselves...and get some Christian counseling. Uh, a reason to hate Hillary? How about this…she’s a felon who beat the system countless times, and instead of running for President, she ought to be serving time.
Or how about this?…she advocates for the killing of babies. What if she came out and instead of advocating for killing babies, she advocated for birthing them and giving them up for adoption? How many lives would that save?
Or how about this?…she’s a radical feminist. And feminism has been one of the most effective tools for hurting America ever.
I could go on. I don’t need more reasons.
But I will say this…anyone who votes for her ought to examine themselves…and get some Christian counseling.

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]]> By: RobHays http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-269961 RobHays Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:51:20 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/04/hillary-is-what-we-want-her-to-be/#comment-269961 Fish does have a point, and ultimately that point is the main reason that I don't want Hillary to be elected. Political discourse has suffered tremendously during the Bush years, despite calls from the man himself for a raised level of dialogue. Even if Hillary were to have the most innocuous Presidency in decades, there would still be people out there hyper-criticizing her every move. I'm not sure my ulcers can take another four years of that. Fish does have a point, and ultimately that point is the main reason that I don’t want Hillary to be elected. Political discourse has suffered tremendously during the Bush years, despite calls from the man himself for a raised level of dialogue. Even if Hillary were to have the most innocuous Presidency in decades, there would still be people out there hyper-criticizing her every move. I’m not sure my ulcers can take another four years of that.

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