Comments on: Lincoln’s lessons http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:46:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: amyrmurphy http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-273260 amyrmurphy Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:18:18 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-273260 You should read The Real Lincoln by Thomas Dilorenzo. I doubt you'll have too many nice things to say about this "christian" man then! You should read The Real Lincoln by Thomas Dilorenzo. I doubt you’ll have too many nice things to say about this “christian” man then!

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]]> By: Bianca http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-273070 Bianca Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:00:57 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-273070 9 - Re: the last quote - well, he certainly did! And we've all been slaves ever since. 9 – Re: the last quote – well, he certainly did! And we’ve all been slaves ever since.

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]]> By: llama http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-273068 llama Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:57:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-273068 No, More likely only 50% of Americans wouldn't nbe ready for Lincoln from my vantage today. Hitler would have no problem killing that 50% I would guess too. No, More likely only 50% of Americans wouldn’t nbe ready for Lincoln from my vantage today.

Hitler would have no problem killing that 50% I would guess too.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-273037 Joel Mark Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:55:17 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-273037 More: "With malice toward none, and charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." Abraham Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address [Mar. 4, 1865]. "Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Abraham Lincoln, Address to an Indiana Regiment [Mar. 17, 1865]. More:

“With malice toward none, and charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.” Abraham Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address [Mar. 4, 1865].

“Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.” Abraham Lincoln, Address to an Indiana Regiment [Mar. 17, 1865].

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-272969 Night Train Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:59:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-272969 I wonder if Lincoln's deep faith in God was the basis for his peculiar racial views? He spoke openly of his belief in the inferiority of the black race, declaring them unfit for voting, marriage with white people, etc., and said white people would be far better off if blacks were shipped back to Africa, and tried to organize efforts to do just that. Christians today say that he was just a man of his times, that pretty much everyone in those days felt that way, and we should ignore such anachronisms, as that's outmoded and backward thinking that has no place in modern society. But when people say the exact same things about Lincoln's "God talk", Christians get mad, and say we need to return to Lincoln's old fashioned values. Go figure. I wonder if Lincoln’s deep faith in God was the basis for his peculiar racial views? He spoke openly of his belief in the inferiority of the black race, declaring them unfit for voting, marriage with white people, etc., and said white people would be far better off if blacks were shipped back to Africa, and tried to organize efforts to do just that. Christians today say that he was just a man of his times, that pretty much everyone in those days felt that way, and we should ignore such anachronisms, as that’s outmoded and backward thinking that has no place in modern society. But when people say the exact same things about Lincoln’s “God talk”, Christians get mad, and say we need to return to Lincoln’s old fashioned values.

Go figure.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-272921 Joel Mark Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:33:23 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-272921 Charles Darwin was born on the same day and same year as Abraham Lincoln (Feb. 12, 1809). One believed (like a good Creationist) that "all men are created free and equal" (quote from an 1858 speech by A.Lincoln) and the other that various homosapiens are not equal because they are differently evolved. Charles Darwin was born on the same day and same year as Abraham Lincoln (Feb. 12, 1809). One believed (like a good Creationist) that “all men are created free and equal” (quote from an 1858 speech by A.Lincoln) and the other that various homosapiens are not equal because they are differently evolved.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-272920 Joel Mark Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:31:50 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-272920 Some years ago, Congress combined Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays into one holiday - "President's Day" - in order to avoid the creation of an "extra" holiday when MLK Day was established. Praise God for each of those three Americans. On one hand, I support the hesitation to make more day's off for gov't workers. On the other hand, why didn't they call MLK Day, "Civil Rights Leaders Day?" Think of all the other great civil rights leaders who have been spurned and ignored by congress. Some years ago, Congress combined Washington’s and Lincoln’s birthdays into one holiday – “President’s Day” – in order to avoid the creation of an “extra” holiday when MLK Day was established.

Praise God for each of those three Americans.

On one hand, I support the hesitation to make more day’s off for gov’t workers. On the other hand, why didn’t they call MLK Day, “Civil Rights Leaders Day?” Think of all the other great civil rights leaders who have been spurned and ignored by congress.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-272912 Joel Mark Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:26:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-272912 A couple Lincoln quotes. "The Lord prefers common looking people. That is why he made so many of them." Attributed to Lincoln by James Morgon in his book "Our President" (1928). After referring to "fruitful fields", "healthful skies" and other national blessings, Lincoln proclaimed: "No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the most-high God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy." Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), proclaiming a day of Thanksgiving--October 3, 1863. A couple Lincoln quotes.

“The Lord prefers common looking people. That is why he made so many of them.” Attributed to Lincoln by James Morgon in his book “Our President” (1928).

After referring to “fruitful fields”, “healthful skies” and other national blessings, Lincoln proclaimed: “No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the most-high God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.” Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), proclaiming a day of Thanksgiving–October 3, 1863.

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]]> By: Stone Mountain JD http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-272896 Stone Mountain JD Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-272896 I'm sorry we don't celebrate Lincoln's and Washington's birthdays separately as we once did. Too many don't know or appreciate the accomplishments of both. Sturdier men equipped for the most troubling of times would be hard to find. I wish all would read 'Team of Rivals' by Doris Kearns Goodwin, subtitled The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln; and how he held together all his rivals (for the presidency) to serve as his cabinet during those war years. No spin needed for such a fascinating and compelling story, and no doubt held and guided often enough by an Unseen Hand. I’m sorry we don’t celebrate Lincoln’s and Washington’s birthdays separately as we once did. Too many don’t know or appreciate the accomplishments of both. Sturdier men equipped for the most troubling of times would be hard to find. I wish all would read ‘Team of Rivals’ by Doris Kearns Goodwin, subtitled The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln; and how he held together all his rivals (for the presidency) to serve as his cabinet during those war years. No spin needed for such a fascinating and compelling story, and no doubt held and guided often enough by an Unseen Hand.

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]]> By: Sawgunner http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-272827 Sawgunner Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:11:28 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/12/lincolns-lessons/#comment-272827 Lincoln's actions, ie: suspension of habeas corpus at the start of the war, certainly make the worst of W and his PATRIOT ACT seem mild and laughable by comparison. Lincoln’s actions, ie: suspension of habeas corpus at the start of the war, certainly make the worst of W and his PATRIOT ACT seem mild and laughable by comparison.

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