Comments on: The Clinton pardon machine in a post-9/11 world http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:18:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: CoyoteBlue http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273656 CoyoteBlue Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:43:53 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273656 Sawgunner, Your timing on Berenson is incorrect. She was arrested, tried and convicted in Peru in the mid 90's for her involvement with Tupac Amaru. Sawgunner,

Your timing on Berenson is incorrect. She was arrested, tried and convicted in Peru in the mid 90’s for her involvement with Tupac Amaru.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: Sawgunner http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273575 Sawgunner Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:16:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273575 Didnt Puerto Rican "separatists" even attack the Congress when Truman was in office? I have to agree that there is a huge gap between pre and post 9/11 policy and outlook. A young lefty American named Lori Berenson was arrested for terroristic activity in Peru. This was after "You're eithr with us or against us" and at the high water mark of all the other 9/11 harsh rhetoric. This president has done nothing to get Lori Berenson freed. Nor should he. We presumably need every ally we can get in this global anti terror crusade. The pardons for the PR terrorist cop-killers? Just an example of the slime and sleeze the Clintons will bring back to the WH. Go Barack! Didnt Puerto Rican “separatists” even attack the Congress when Truman was in office?
I have to agree that there is a huge gap between pre and post 9/11 policy and outlook.
A young lefty American named Lori Berenson was arrested for terroristic activity in Peru. This was after “You’re eithr with us or against us” and at the high water mark of all the other 9/11 harsh rhetoric.
This president has done nothing to get Lori Berenson freed. Nor should he. We presumably need every ally we can get in this global anti terror crusade.
The pardons for the PR terrorist cop-killers? Just an example of the slime and sleeze the Clintons will bring back to the WH.
Go Barack!

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: llama http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273520 llama Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:53:44 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273520 I'm betting that the first thing Hillary does as president is pardon Vince Foster for killing himself. I’m betting that the first thing Hillary does as president is pardon Vince Foster for killing himself.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273393 Chas Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:39:05 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273393 Lynn took me seriously here (#5). The only time anyone ever believes me is when I'm facetious. Lynn took me seriously here (#5). The only time anyone ever believes me is when I’m facetious.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: Peter L http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273366 Peter L Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:45:02 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273366 The Clintons in the White House. Just the thought makes me shudder. The Clintons in the White House. Just the thought makes me shudder.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: Lynn Vincent http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273362 Lynn Vincent Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:40:03 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273362 Chas and Arcadia.. With respect to "old news"...With the potential of a second Clinton presidency in the offing, I don't think we can look past the Clintons' long history of trading national security for influence, campaign cash, and votes. FALN is not the only example of the Clintons' winking at criminality in order to advance themselves politically. There is also Chinagate, which involved not only campaign cash from illegal donors on four continents, but also the compromise of sensitive weapons technology and the sellout of Taiwan to Red China. "Old news" is important in evaluating any person for any position -- from your babysitter to your latest hire to your president. What a person has done before indicates what he or she will do in the future. Interestingly, the "old news" technique was one frequently used by the Clinton administration's spin doctors to dismiss, minimize, or trivialize the accumulating weight of related, incriminating incidents. I think Burlingame's question is a legitimate one. Chas and Arcadia..

With respect to “old news”…With the potential of a second Clinton presidency in the offing, I don’t think we can look past the Clintons’ long history of trading national security for influence, campaign cash, and votes. FALN is not the only example of the Clintons’ winking at criminality in order to advance themselves politically. There is also Chinagate, which involved not only campaign cash from illegal donors on four continents, but also the compromise of sensitive weapons technology and the sellout of Taiwan to Red China.

“Old news” is important in evaluating any person for any position — from your babysitter to your latest hire to your president. What a person has done before indicates what he or she will do in the future.

Interestingly, the “old news” technique was one frequently used by the Clinton administration’s spin doctors to dismiss, minimize, or trivialize the accumulating weight of related, incriminating incidents.

I think Burlingame’s question is a legitimate one.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273325 Peter Leavitt Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:19:27 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273325 This is not old news for Debra Burlingame whose brother was the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Interesting that the FBI was appalled about this Clinton decision: <I>It was within that context that the FBI gave its position on the FALN clemencies -- which the White House succeeded in keeping out of news coverage but ultimately failed to suppress -- stating that "the release of these individuals will psychologically and operationally enhance the ongoing violent and criminal activities of terrorist groups, not only in Puerto Rico, but throughout the world." The White House spun the clemencies as a sign of the president's universal commitment to "peace and reconciliation" just one year after Osama bin Laden told his followers that the United States is a "paper tiger" that can be attacked with impunity.</i> This is not old news for Debra Burlingame whose brother was the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Interesting that the FBI was appalled about this Clinton decision:

It was within that context that the FBI gave its position on the FALN clemencies — which the White House succeeded in keeping out of news coverage but ultimately failed to suppress — stating that “the release of these individuals will psychologically and operationally enhance the ongoing violent and criminal activities of terrorist groups, not only in Puerto Rico, but throughout the world.” The White House spun the clemencies as a sign of the president’s universal commitment to “peace and reconciliation” just one year after Osama bin Laden told his followers that the United States is a “paper tiger” that can be attacked with impunity.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: RR http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273324 RR Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:17:33 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273324 Arcadia, it would be the height of naivete to think Bill won't loom large in a Hillary presidency. One shudders to predict what their next combined stunt might be. The one I loved was Hillary's brother taking a six-figure consulting fee for arranging a pardon from Hillary's husband. But it's OK now, since he says he returned the money... Arcadia, it would be the height of naivete to think Bill won’t loom large in a Hillary presidency. One shudders to predict what their next combined stunt might be.

The one I loved was Hillary’s brother taking a six-figure consulting fee for arranging a pardon from Hillary’s husband. But it’s OK now, since he says he returned the money…

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: NJLawyer http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273275 NJLawyer Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:00:25 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273275 One of the victims was decapitated. They found bombs and C-4. Pre 9/11 or Post 9/11, these were-are dangerous people. To equate these pardons with fundraising is beyond the pale. They're murderers, plain and simple. One of the victims was decapitated. They found bombs and C-4. Pre 9/11 or Post 9/11, these were-are dangerous people. To equate these pardons with fundraising is beyond the pale. They’re murderers, plain and simple.

Report comment to moderator

]]> By: arcadia http://online.worldmag.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273274 arcadia Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:51:37 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/02/13/the-clinton-pardon-machine-in-a-post-911-world/#comment-273274 "Must read" about something done 8 years ago by someone who is not running for office?? Desperation indeed. “Must read” about something done 8 years ago by someone who is not running for office??

Desperation indeed.

Report comment to moderator

]]>