Tacit theologies III
In his Letters from the Earth, Mark Twain wrote that he couldn’t understand why, in the instance of Onan, God was satisfied with punishing him alone. Why not set to “slaying all the inhabitants for three hundred miles around — they being innocent of offense, and therefore the very ones he would usually slay”? By this time embittered beyond repair toward the God of his childhood, Twain quipped: “If he had a motto, it would have read, ‘Let no innocent person escape.’”
Do you ever find, in a moment of contentment and satisfaction, when all seems right in your world, that something dark brushes across your thoughts, an expectation of disaster? Somewhere in the odd amalgam of angry Baptist and sterile Moravian sermonizing that comprised my religious upbringing, I acquired the sense that sooner or later, God is going to get me. Further, the odds of this vengeful God striking increase with my immediate happiness. If things are good right now, just wait — you’ll get your little red wagon fixed soon enough.
When I was older, I read Jonathan Edwards’s “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God,” which is partial Gospel at best, and on the lips of a closet sadist (some pastors are fond of delivering this sermon to their congregations), horrific. It crystallized my view of God for the next ten years — He is real, yes, but he’s really, really angry, and most of us in these pews are in big trouble when He finally satiates his need for vengeance by watching us — men, women, and children — writhe in agony for eternity. When I was still older, and just finally coming into a genuine knowledge of and faith in God, he let my daughter die.
So it’s been hard to see past these filthy windows — of my own heart as well as the twisted and half-baked theologies of men — to the God whose son promised: “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” It’s been hard to accept that God is not like H.L. Mencken’s Puritans, “haunted by the fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” Just as the Prosperity Doctrine errs by assuming that the Lord’s overriding goal on this earth is my immediate comfort, I am wrong to assume that God wants me to suffer. He ordains pleasure and suffering in a manner beyond my reasoning, and when I cling to him, I am brought to a place where peace persists. It is just as Paul wrote: “In any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need.”
This is what I recall when I read the Bible, but that tacit theology of doom persists, the lingering scar that kept me away from church for fifteen years. It is the dark-winged thing that sweeps across the landscape when things are good, as they are now. But even our wounds have a purpose, I suppose, and the purpose of this is to bring me back to that great refuge from pernicious theologies, which is prayer.
Here are links to Tony’s first two posts in this series: “Tacit theologies,” “Tacit theologies II.”














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Why is there so much depression being written about on WMB now a days? Does someone actually think they are responsible for global warming or something? Its a beautiful day today in SOuther Ga, I suggest that you all come down here and engoy it. The doom and gloom will fall away and you will ahve a smile on your face before you know it.
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“Somewhere in the odd amalgam of angry Baptist and sterile Moravian sermonizing that comprised my religious upbringing, I acquired the sense that sooner or later, God is going to get me.
When I was older, I read Jonathan Edwards’s “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God,” which is partial Gospel at best, and on the lips of a closet sadist (some pastors are fond of delivering this sermon to their congregations), horrific. It crystallized my view of God for the next ten years — He is real, yes, but he’s really, really angry, and most of us in these pews are in big trouble when He finally satiates his need for vengeance by watching us — men, women, and children — writhe in agony for eternity. When I was still older, and just finally coming into a genuine knowledge of and faith in God, he let my daughter die.
So it’s been hard to see past these filthy windows — of my own heart as well as the twisted and half-baked theologies of men — to the God whose son promised: “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.”
Tony,
THANK you for this! To me, this makes your previous articles make more sense. I cannot stress enough the value of reading Pagan Christianity, which was mentioned because of your posts on this subject.
I really think that what you have been describing in the fast few weeks, the hypocrisy, etc. on the part of “Christians”, is really a characterization of those who are not necessarily godly people, but of those who represent a man-made Christian church.
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I love GA! Thanks for the weather report down there!!
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1-LLama
Remember your grocery checkout lady story? That was your bad experience. Was it worth telling? Yes, I greatly appreciated that story because it demonstrated how a generalization breaks down in real life. And in a real life situation we need discernment to know how to proceed. On this website, we tend to overgeneralize about many things, just like in sunday school.
I think there is a difference between describing a population in general and doing what Tony just did by revealing what caused him great pain throughout his life. He did not reveal just pain but that which shaped him for years.
“Somewhere in the odd amalgam of angry Baptist and sterile Moravian sermonizing that comprised my religious upbringing”
I would say COMPROMISED
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On this website, we tend to overgeneralize about many things, just like in sunday school.
We overgeneralize here even more than we do in our sunday school classes.
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Reg – That’s an over-generalization.
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Thank you, Tony! Unfortunately, this particular “tacit” theology is the one that keeps more people away from God than any other. For a long time, I preferred a non-sovereign god to One who let bad things happen, or even ordained them. It took me awhile to get to a place where I could allow that God is sovereign. But, yes, I can personally testify that our wounds do indeed have a purpose, and that is to lead us to an ability to experience the joy that surpasses understanding. Yet even having been given that, I can still slip (although not as often) into dread of the next hard thing that will inevitably come my way. Reading Piper’s “The Hidden Smile of God” helped.
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Twain must have completely lost sight of common grace, the grace that blesses us all. God blessed Twain with the gifts and abilities to write something as as entertaining and thoughtful as The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. God blessed Twain and through him blessed us.
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All bloggers generalize, every one of them.
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Tony,
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Your comments here are why I asked before if you have read Brotherhood of Betrayal. That novel really touches in some of the same places that you have mentioned today.
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My problem with the whole sovereignty issue (I agree that God is sovereign) is that his goodness is not emphasized. THAT is why I read the Psalms.
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Tony W wrote; “… [In] my religious upbringing, I acquired the sense that sooner or later, God is going to get me.”
I sure hope so, Tony. If you believe in a good and holy God, no greater fate could befall you.
Sounds like an upbringing for which to be eternally and greaciously thankful.
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Joel, Until now, I perceived your remarks and feedback as reasonable. Are you unacquainted, as a pastor, with book titles such as Spiritual Abuse? This is essentially where Tony is coming from He is revealing abuse of God’s word and the devastating effects it had in his life. From the mouths of those who have been sexually abused AND spiritually abused, it is the spiritual abuse that is worse…
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Tony Woodlief wrote; “It’s been hard to accept that God is not like H.L. Mencken’s Puritans, ‘haunted by the fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.’”
Tony,
H.L Mencken was a vociferously hateful journalist. I hope you do not model your journalism or your faith on him. The myth of the joyless Puritan was perpetrated by him. Of course the rant that Puritanism is “the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” is complete nonsense.
As a ragingly biased journalist, Menken editorialized during the Scopes Monkey Trial that on the creationist side was “bigotry, ignorance, hatred, superstition, every sort of blackness that the human mind is capable of.” His references to creationists as “local primates… yokels… morons… half-wits,” betrayed his vociferous media bias. It caught on. Hatred often does (and this is hatred regardless of your views on evolution).
Out of this irresponsible hostility to people of faith, our appreciation for our Puritan heritage took a distorted and unfortunate turn for the worse.
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Mencken began attacking the Puritans during Prohibition. He probably did not even know that the Puritans were not teetotalers. Scholars estimate the Puritans had a rum-consumption rate that surpasses the alcohol-consumption rate in the 20th century.
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From the mouths of those who have been sexually abused AND spiritually abused, it is the spiritual abuse that is worse…
Amen, Reg. It is truly the devil’s tool. Anyone who has counseled others knows this. I have a friend whose faith was destroyed to the point of being unable to read the Scriptures by this kind of abuse. Now, thirty years after the fact, she is finally beginning to trust again.
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Reg,
I don’t see how your question relates to what I had written. But to answer;
Sure, I am aquainted with books about spiritual abuse and more than that, I have seen it in reality. I have seen a whole lot more unspiritual abuse too. So? Why do you ask?
I saw where Tony was coming from. How does that make my comment “unreasonable?” Did I say I was unaware of abuse of any kind, spiritual or not?
No.
Did I say that EVERYTHING about his upbringing was perfect?
No, neither was mine.
But I am eternally grateful for the imperfect vehicles who carried the good news of repentance and forgiveness to me. I have picked out the bones that came with some of those ‘vehicles’ too. So?
Are you advocaing ingratitude as a rule? Probably not. But I stand by the call for gratitude!
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I think atheist abuse is the most destructive in human history. But I don’t blame all atheists for it.
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Joel Mark: I have no doubt you are right about hatred directed at Puritans who did not fit at all the way they were characterized. But does this explain why pastors and churches to this day abuse sensitive believers by preaching and using hate against them?
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The Puritans in perspective:
They endured incredible daily hardship (beyond our imagination today) without calling their God on the carpet.
The Puritans basically knew (better than most and probably better than us) that there are/is…
No blessings without struggles.
No rights without responsibilities.
No trip to paradise without a dry spell in the wilderness.
No glory without sacrifice.
No succor without service.
No position without preparation.
And no forgiveness without repentance.
And for Jesus, they knew there was no throne without a cross.
I know that gratitude is controvertial and politically incorrect, but if you value freedom, adventure, education, literacy, work, democracy, creativity, equality, and the rule of law, you owe a debt of gratitude to the Puritans. They were not the sole custodians of these treasures nor did they invent them, but they bore more than their fair share of the load in carrying them to their posterity. They had flaws and were by no means monolithic, but they exerted a positive influence on American culture disproportionate to their numbers.
A quote:
To understand the Puritans, you have to adopt their attitude that life is a great adventure. —Harry S. Stout.
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I’m for gratitude, too. It can just be very difficult and take years to “pick out the bones” for persons who have been seriously indoctrinated and treated with hatred.
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16-Janie
“unable to read the scriptures”—that is more common than we know…
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For me, I had to “put away” (or perhaps that is not the right word) my theological priests…
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Janie – 21,
You are right. Even gratitude is less a virtue if it is not mixed with wisdom. My point is that most of the ingratitude and resentment-grinding I see perpetrated in our culture (spiritual and otherwise) is deeply unwise and often blind to the good for which we can indeed be wisely grateful.
Keep picking the bones out, my friend, but remember to be grateful for the shole chicken.
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#4 Reg,
My check out lady story wasn’t a depression piece. She has replaced God ans is now my sole reason for living
It was supposed to be funny piece to show that you can even have fun with the little things that could, if you weren’t careful, upset one unnecessarily.
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#8 DKG,
My most favorite Twain quote is ” if Christ was alive today the one thing He would be is a christian.”
Like all good satirists and humorists, Twain had a grain of truth in what he said most always.
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Joel Mark,
I know that you can put 10 people through the same grinding mill. 9 will be strengthened by the ordeal and 1 will be forever crippled by it and suffer possibly forever. I saw this the first time while I was in Nam. One came back horribly crippled the other 9 were much better for their experiences. Tony reminds me of the 1 who got damaged along the way for some reason.
The Gordon of old, who is on sabbatical, also reminded me of the one too. Vietnam was a nightmare for him after he returned.
I couldn’t agree with you more and thanks for #20.
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Joel, nice summary of the Puritan qualities. Another point would be that the Puritans valued education. Once they built their homes and churches, they founded the Boston Latin School and Harvard College in Cambridge.
If you closely read Edward’s Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God, God’s grace and mercy are as evident as his wrath. Any serious reader of the Bible should be as well aware of God’s potential wrath and justice as his love and mercy.
I’m afraid that Tony Wooddlief in disparaging the Puritans is in danger of advocating easy liberal Christianity, or what C.S.Lewis termed “Christianity and water.”
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Tony wrote; “…I am wrong to assume that God wants me to suffer.”
I’m not so sure. He may. What we often cannot yet know is His big-picture reason for it. We do know that it was God’s will for Jesus to suffer. Of the Messiah, Isaiah wrote; “Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer.” (Isaiah 53:10)
And we know that Jesus, God’s own beloved Son, was a “man of sorrows.” Isiaha continued; “He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.” (Isaiah 53:3)
The apostle Peter’s failure to understand Jesus’ role as a suffering servant earned him a strong rebuke from Jesus. But Peter learned. Later in life, he wrote; “But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.” (1 Peter 2:20-21).
I’ll give the apostle Paul the last word: “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12)
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Joel Mark – I agree with you about gratitude. It is truly a powerful thing.
Even though Jesus was a man of sorrows, I believe He had joy amidst the sorrow. He was/is our example in embracing the suffering God allows in our lives, while having an undergirding of joy, peace, & gratitude.
Llama – Your comment about finding humor in potentially frustrating circumstances goes along with the issue of gratitude. A grateful heart helps us to see the humor in otherwise humorless situations.
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Reg,
I’m glad you found some value in this essay.
Peter,
I didn’t disparage the Puritans here. I also wouldn’t point anyone unfamiliar with the tenets of Christianity to Edwards’s sermon as an example of grace and mercy. It’s there if you squint, yes, but it’s more suitable to theology afficionados and hell fetishists than inquirers and new believers.
Joel,
My point is that the Lord’s end is neither my suffering on earth nor my pleasure. If you continue reading that passage in Isaiah, you see that there was a purpose to Christ’s suffering, i.e., it wasn’t the suffering that was his purpose, but rather the redemption, which therefore necessitated the suffering.
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Janie – Could you explain or give examples of what you mean by this – …”pastors and churches to this day abuse sensitive believers by preaching and using hate against them”?
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About gratitude again – My pastor grew up with a physically abusive father. He is actually grateful that his father erred on the side of discipline rather than neglect.
Not that he in any way advocates beating children, but that he is grateful for having been disciplined, even though it was done in the wrong way.
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In the end, the questions all boil down to one of the big questions – “Is God Good”?
If you can answer that in the positive, then one can be grateful, but if it degenerates into doubt about his existence…. then gratitude plays no part. To whom would you be grateful?
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Joni Eareckson Tada and Steve Estes have written one of the best books I’ve ever read on God’s Purposes in our Suffering. It is well balanced and gives both the experiential view (Joni and people she has encountered around the world through her travels) and the pastoral view (Steve Estes pastoral heart, with both from a Biblical perspective. Great appendices in the back as well.
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whoops…the title is When God Weeps
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Karen O:
Here’s one example. A woman I counseled was considered a “troublemaker” by her pastor, mostly because of his own lack of understanding in regard to her needs. She was assigned by him to an untrained woman lay couselor who told her she was responsible for causing problems she did not cause, made her write letters of apology to people to which she had done nothing, and assigned her passage after passage of scripture which contained specific judgments. This went on for months. During this time, she was told she could not talk to any of her friends or attend any church meetings. She was to stay home alone, read her assigned readings and write reflections on her sins, which she had to submit regularly to this woman. It was announced to the church that she had “behaved inappropriately” toward the pastor and was “on a retreat” in order to “confront and repent of her sins”.
This sort of thing also happened to at least a couple of other people at her church. This was later investigated by a denominational committee and the pastor was asked by them to take a break and get some counseling. He refused and resigned.
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Tony,
You are right that we cannot always know what the Lord’s end is. I also clarified that point. But you stated that you were “wrong to assume that God wants me to suffer.”
I was responding to that. Even though it may not be God’s ultimate end for you, it may still be that it is His will for you (or me) to suffer as a means to that end. And we cannot always knbow why. This calls for a tough-minded biblical theology of suffering. But you are right to affirm that God’s ultimate will is not for us to suffer or perish (unless of course we ourselves willfully reject His will forever — see 2 peter 3:9, which reads: “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.)
To clarify, I never imtimated that there was no purpose in the suffering about which Isaiah prophecied.
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Reg and others:
While I am thrilled that you’ve read Randall Arthur’s wonderful novels, I am not so thrilled that you can’t seem to internalize the reality that all churches are made up of/full of sinners.
Not all churches are good. Not all are bad.
People get hurt by bad churches, and many churches are hurt by bad people.
Sometimes you simply have to deal with it.
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Joel,
I think we are in agreement here.
Kennethos,
I think Reg and Janie are reacting to a sense that we shouldn’t talk about bad churches, bad preaching, and bad theology.
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Tony, I thought in quoting Mencken you were hard on the Puritans and am now glad to hear that this wasn’t so.
BTW, enjoyed your excellent article in the Wall Street journal today on multiple talents.
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Just to (hopefully) clarify what I believe:
I believe that God is sovereign, and that everything, joyful or painful, comes to us through his hand and is ordained by him for our ultimate good. We should indeed be grateful.
I believe that the church, being made up of fallen individuals, can both help and harm, and be helped or be harmed.
Various people, in their various strengths and weaknesses, have differing abilities to “just deal with it”. Certainly we must do our best not to further injure a wounded person in our midst, but stand with them as God heals. Often a wounded one, having received the Lord’s healing, is better equipped than the rest of us to reach out with compassion to others in pain.
On the other hand, we don’t want to offer the kind of false comfort that can interfere with God’s work (such as liberal theologies that claim he doesn’t cause suffering in our lives, for example, or that our sin and depravity are less of an issue than they are).
Thanks, Tony (#40). I react both to the idea that we shouldn’t acknowledge it, and to the fact that some seem unaware that it exists.
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Peter,
Make a guy blush, why don’t ya.
Janie,
I think your clarifications are apt. Thank you.
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Oh, yes, one more thing: I do believe in church discipline, lovingly and wisely applied, when other efforts to intervene have failed.
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Janie – Thank you for your example. Now I understand better what you’ve been writing about.
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Listening is underrated.
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Thanks Tony. My wife and I’ve been in jail and prison ministry for about 25 yrs. One thing I try to impress our guys and gals is that perhaps one of God’s greatest blessings is a “screwed up life”. When we KNOW we needed redemption, we may be able to pass it on ….
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Tony,
Yes, we agree. And thanks for a thoughtful theological post. Nice to get a break from politics.
While I may often feel led to defend the heritage that most churches pass to us (because it sometimes gets a raw deal from critics), I do recognize the unhealthy abuses that can and have occurred. I am glad you have held on to our Lord despite whatever stuggles you survived.
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Found a good section at the end of Unchristian, Kinnaman and Lyons,
“We want young generations to participate in our churches, but we expect them to play by the rules, look the part, embrace the music, and use the right language. We condemn their moral compromises, but we lack the patience to restore them. We want them to become mature Christ followers, though we are unwilling to submit to the significant task of our own spiritual transformation.”
“When Christ followers do engage in conversations with young outsiders, common ground is hard to find. Often they speak in different dialects, and this think in stereotypes, which is far easier than engaging in heartfelt conversations about real issues.”
“Sometimes young outsiders venture into churches, and often they come with an intense load of difficult experiences and deep hurts. They do not want to be scolded; they require our help and empathy.”
“Not unlike an oncologist who must correctly diagnose and treat cancer, a church leader has to pray, counsel, guide and love people through their frustrations and doubts.”
(I think that the oncologist analogy is too complicated…there has to be a better biblical analogy here…It doesn’t take brains so much as it requires love and LISTENING)
“Ignoring their personal history at a time that they are open to dealing with it means that we have failed them spiritually.”
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