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Whirled Views 3.6
Good morning!
Today’s quote is from a movie: “We’re gonna go inside, we’re gonna go outside, inside and outside. We’re gonna get ‘em on the run boys and once we get ‘em on the run we’re gonna keep ‘em on the run. And then we’re gonna go go go go go go and we’re not gonna stop til we get across that goalline. This is a team they say is… is good, well I think we’re better than them. They can’t lick us, so what do you say men?”
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Rudy!! I loved that movie. Make mine a mocha please.
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Although, to be fair,Lynn – that’s a quote within a quote, isn’t it? Isn’t the original quote the Gipper?
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I was gonna say, it sounded a lot like Reagan…
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Klasko is correct that the quote appears in Rudy, but I believe it is originally from “Gnute Rockne, All American.”
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Ummm, make that “Knute”, not “Gnute.”
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From the AP:
Jury convicts former Navy sailor of leaking details about his own ship
A former Navy sailor was convicted Wednesday of leaking details about ship movements to suspected terrorism supporters, an act that could have endangered his own crewmates.
Jurors convicted Hassan Abu-Jihaad, 32, of Phoenix of providing material support to terrorists and disclosing classified national defense information on the second day of deliberations.
But Islam is NOT the enemy. Put your fingers in your ears and keep saying it: Islam is NOT the enemy. Islam is NOT the enemy. Islam is a Religion of PEACE.
We’ll never win if we don’t identify the enemy.
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Of course Islam is not the enemy, StuBob. Any idea about how many Muslims serve in the Armed Forces? Or for that matter how many Muslims are in America? This is the kind of reaction that does little to advance the name of Christians, let alone for accurately gauging and responding to threats.
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StuBob. Hassan Abu-Jihaad was not a good Muslem. Good Muslems are peace loving. I get that from good authority. Imam Hassan Qazwini makes that clear in his book. (See my review on WV 3.4)
Pauline, I would be interested in your take on Qazwini’s book. Have you come to the place where he says John Dingell is an American treasure yet?
BTW Pauline, did you get your water problem fixed?
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Harris, according to Qazwini, “Forty years ago, the United states had only a handful of mosques, Thirty Americans made the pilgrimage to Mecca each year. Today there are more than four thousand mosques for the 6 to 7 million Muslims who call america home, and 12000 of them go to Mecca annually for the pilgrimage.”
So, there are lots of them.
He insists that Islam is a peaceful religion. However, as opposed to the Jews, who also have a different basic culture, the Muslims do not assimilate. Most are trying to make America their home, but many thousands are not.
Sharia is the big divider. You have to understand, sharia is the law of God.
You should read Terrorist Hunter. Pauline, you need to read that too if you’re reading American Crescent.
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Chas,
I just started the chapter where Qazwini arrived in America. My impression from the part of the book I have read so far is that Shiites are peaceful, but they are a small minority, and that Sunnis are much more inclined toward using violent means.
The water doesn’t seem to be spreading further, but it’s not all gone yet either. I did another session with the Shop-Vac last night – until my back insisted that I stop. I didn’t pick up nearly as much this time, so it seems that wherever the water came from is not continuing to bring more, and what there is already, is drying up – we have the humidifier going also.
Of course, if it was related to the thaw, I’ll be concerned next time we have warm weather. Yesterday I heard some guys at work talking about how wonderful the warm weather was, and I thought, unless you have water in your basement. Then one of them said, “Of course there was a lot of flooding – but I live on top of a hill so I don’t have to worry.” Well, I don’t live on top of a hill.
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From yesterdays discussion of Christian women and exercise, Theo writes:
If anyone wants to see obese Christian women wearing immodest clothing just visit the predominately Christian states of Mississippi, West Virginia, Alabama, Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, or Arkansas. Fattest states in the USA.
Theo, I know in my heart you didn’t mean to be quite so judgemental about your friends to the south, but I am about tired of being “picked on” because of where I was born. I am a Christian. I was born and raised in Alabama. I am by no stretch of the imagination OBESE. I am also just as likely to be found in a sweaty gym in REAL gym clothes working out with a bunch of men. Men who are interested in really exercising don’t mind if a woman’s make-up isn’t perfect and they have a little sweat on them. The times I have asked a woman about lifting free weights I haven’t gotten much of an answer. Wander over to a couple of guys grunting and sweating and they will put the weights on the bar for you and be more than happy to spot you and encourage you. Most of the time I do exercise in a pair of gym shorts, a sports bra and some sort of t-shirt over it. Nothing immodest but my legs.
For the rest of you: QUIT PICKING ON THE SOUTH. I AM SURE THERE IS SOMETHING HOWEVER MINOR WRONG WITH YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS AS WELL. This past weekend at the beach I met several couples of snowbirds. They were from Minnesota and Iowa. They were loving it here because back home the temps were in the single digits and the schools were closed for snow.
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Guten tag, Klasko! I’m glad you’ve joined this somewhat managerie of motley blogheads. Excellent! I understand you and your family lived in Germany……what part? I ask because I too lived in West Germany while in the military at Spangdahlem Air Base. This is where I met Jesus on December 25th, 1981.
Hope you can have fun and make the most of your blog experience.
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Any idea about how many Muslims serve in the Armed Forces?
No clue. Any idea what fraction of the traitors in this war have been Muslims?
Muslims believe we are at war with Islam. We should respect that.
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That’s funny Stubob.
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TJ asked me on yesterday’s thread to take a look at an article by American Vision on Romans 13. I’ve previously seen the article and I’ve noted that certain interpretations of Romans 13 are compatible with the American Revolution. Indeed, if one wanted to try to make the American Revolution “fit” with the Bible, the Calvinist doctrine of “interposition” would probably be the best place to argue.
However, it’s not at all clear that this is what America’s Founders and the ministers they followed had in mind when they made their case for revolution. 1) They tended to cite Locke and not Calvin, Rutherford, or any Calvinist. 2) Locke’s case for revolution was not Calvinist; 3) Locke was not, as some mistakenly argue, influenced by Rutherford (no evidence shows that he was). Indeed John Witherspoon, the *Calvinist* Founding Father, turned to Locke and the Scottish Enlightenment and not Rutherford or Calvin to justify revolt against Great Britain.
Locke’s ideas on government and revolt were not authentically orthodox Christian, though one could make the case they were compatible (or one could explore the tension between Locke’s Enlightenment teachings and orthodox Christianity).
Christianity and Americanism are not the same thing. And Christians need to seriously ask whether one can be a good Christian and a good American at the same time. I’ve concluded that yes, one can be a good Christian and a good American. Or one could, like the devout Tory Christians of the Founding era, reject America’s Declaration of Independence on orthodox Christian grounds (that it violates Romans 13). But what is, in my opinion, unmistakable is that the principles of Americanism (i.e., the Declaration, Constitution, Federalist Papers, etc.) are primarily a-biblical and a-Christian.
Again, not meaning to paint with too broad a brush. The Bible/Christian religion was a source for *some* of public principles to which America’s Founders turned. However, it was just *a* source among others, arguably not the dominant source. Man’s reason, or “Enlightenment” dominated. And man’s reason, America’s Founders argued, could pick and choose from the Bible/Christian religion what it thought useful or rational when it came to Founding America.
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Muslims believe we are at war with Islam.
I’m with MIM. This is funny.
What ever do you suppose gave them this idea?
btw. DoD numbers about 4,000 Muslims in active service, according to the NYT
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What ever do you suppose gave them this idea?
The Koran.
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This may come as a shock to you, Jon Rowe, but I do not entirely disagree with you. In particular, your next-to-last paragraph I find agreeable (at the least the first two thirds). My point of “disagreement” is more a quibble. I do not think that the founding documents are a-biblical/a-Christian in the sense that they are derived out of a Christian worldview in their composition (one can argue that even the Enlightement is a product of a Christian worldview, even if some of the results deviated from the origin). That, of course, is not the same thing as being overtly Christian, which I will concede. On the other hand, the influence of Calvin (and Presbyterian polity) in terms of the polity of representative government is something that should not be overlooked, either.
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Justus331 – Wuerzburg, Berlin, Bad Toelz and Ludwigsburg. Thanks for the welcome.
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TJ,
No shock at all. My research has been profoundly influenced by that of traditional orthodox Christian scholars like Mark Noll, Nathan Hatch, George Marsden, Robert Kraynak and many others. Those men, besides being conservative Christians, are well respected scholars with PhDs who do groundbreaking research on history (Mark Noll, of Notre Dame, is arguably the preeminent scholar of American religious history, period).
When I first began to do this research it was because I didn’t like the way the “Christian America” folks (Barton, Eidsmoe, Federer, Kennedy, et al., folks who tend not to have scholarly bona fides) tried to rally the masses to “take back” America as though they once owned it: They didn’t. Or at least, not during the Founding era from 1776-1800. But I later discovered how conflating “Americanism” with “Christianity” harms the purity of the orthodox Christian faith. And for that reason, perhaps, many conservative orthodox Christians have been at the forefront in debunking the “Christian America” idea as put forth by Barton, Federer, et al.
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Has anyone been following the violence that has been showing up in the last 24 hours. We have a bomber who attacks a recruiting station in NYC. We have a student in California arrested for having bomb making equipment in his Dorm room. We have two coeds shot for no apparent reason and Now a Seminary in Jerusalem was attacked by a gunman killing several students. Now Homeland Insecurity is telling us that our Northern Border is at risk.
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Jon, I have never disagreed with you with regard to those who confuse “Christianity” and “Americanism.” I think you sometimes overstate the case a bit and perhaps are one-sided in your use of sources, but so is the other side. I believe that it was Francis Schaeffer who was asked, shortly before he died, what the greatest danger facing modern Christianity was. His reply was “statism.” He may very well have been right.
I would caution, though, against a possible false dichotomy. Both good and bad can come out of the “Americanism/Christianity” outlook. An example of what I am speak of occurred after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. A lot of folks were waving flags and saying, “God bless America.” A couple of years later I attended a fundraiser where Alan Keyes was the featured speaker, and he (rightly) asked the question, “Why should God bless America?” As long as Americans are content to wave the cross and the flag out of convenience with no regard for what those mean (either together or separately), problems can certainly arise. On the other hand, I personally know unchurched/unbelieving folks who came back to church after 9/11 who repented and became Christians. Even though it was not “Americanism” that did it, the affect of the event upon American sensibilities was a factor (of course, we could also say it affected human sensibilities as well).
I like Mark Noll, btw. His book Turn Points chronicles a dozen “decisive” moments in Christian History (the destruction of Jerusalem, the Councils of Nicea and Chalcedon, the Diet of Worms, etc). It is an easy read and good overview of Christian history. His problem is that he is a bit too ecumenical and accommodating at times. Nevertheless, I do enjoy his writing.
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TJ. Well said. I’ll put Diet of Worms on my reading list.
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Turning Points is the name of the book, Jon. The Diet of Worms is the council that tried Luther and prompted the Protestant Reformation.
Or, Diet of Worms could simply be a low-rated show on the Food Network…
Nice to find some common ground, my friend. I like it better this way.
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Thanks for the correction.
Most of Noll’s work I follow relates to American religious history or its antecedents (i.e., European 16th, 17th & 18th Century religious history).
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A freshman at Auburn was shot and killed on a highway near the college. (She is from Georgia). A student at Davidson High School in Mobile shot and killed himself in the school gym this morning about 10 am. Sad times indeed.
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Joe B. – 21
They have just released the number to be 10 killed in Jerusalem.
There are a number of stories including – HAMAS CALLS ATTACK ‘HEROIC’…
Go to the far left for stories-
http://www.drudgereport.com/
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A mocha each for Klasko and TJ for correctly identifying the quote as from Rudy and Knute Rockney, All-American.
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Yum, Yum, Lynn!
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Jon,
The Dutch Declaration of Independence, written in 1581, predates both Hobbes and Locke and seems a model for the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
There is an introduction that declares how things ought to be:
“. . . God did not create the people slaves to their prince, to obey his commands, whether right or wrong, but rather the prince for the sake of the subjects (without which he could be no prince), to govern them according to equity, to love and support them as a father his children or a shepherd his flock . . .”
There a recitation of their history of grievances, and the declaration that they will no longer be subject to such tyranny:
“So, having no hope of reconciliation, and finding no other remedy, we have, agreeable to the law of nature in our own defense, and for maintaining the rights, privileges, and liberties of our countrymen, wives, and children, and latest posterity from being enslaved by the Spaniards, been constrained to renounce allegiance to the King of Spain, and pursue such methods as appear to us most likely to secure our ancient liberties and privileges.”
That last clause sounds quite similar to this line from the U.S. Declaration:
“. . . to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
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Whereas homeschoolers should be applauded for their dedication and accomplishments, a judge in California has recently declared them all criminals.
Hmph. And just when parents are being encouraged to pull their kids OUT of public schools because of new legislation the Governator signed to “institutionalize [in public schools] the promotion of homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyle choices.”
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When Jonathan Pollard leaked classified information to Israel, did that prove that Judaism is not a peaceful religion? Come on guys, logic. Don’t be so ruled by emotion.
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CoyoteBlue: We don’t infer that Islam is not a peaceful religion because Hassan Abu-Jihaad is a traitor. We consider Islam to be a warlike religion because of what they say and do.
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Mr. Denney,
There were a number of dissident Protestant documents that predate America’s DOI by a few hundred years and of which America’s Founders were loosely aware. However, America’s Founders consciously thought they were following Locke’s Enlightenment ideas. Jefferson, the Declaration’s author, lists the ideological sources for the document as “Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney.”
http://www.ashbrook.org/constitution/henry_lee.html
Those older Protestant documents help to explain, though, a tradition in orthodox Protestantism that in some respect paralleled the Enlightenment ideas that America’s key Founders operated in and why orthodox Protestant forces, at the time, could join forces with Enlightenment rationalists and their “project.”
But in terms of the ideas of the Declaration, Jefferson lifted prose from Locke’s 2nd Treatise, not those earlier Protestant documents.
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