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		<title>By: Jon Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Denney,

There were a number of dissident Protestant documents that predate America&#039;s DOI by a few hundred years and of which America&#039;s Founders were loosely aware.  However, America&#039;s Founders consciously thought they were following Locke&#039;s Enlightenment ideas.  Jefferson, the Declaration&#039;s author, lists the ideological sources for the document as &quot;Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney.&quot;

http://www.ashbrook.org/constitution/henry_lee.html

Those older Protestant documents help to explain, though, a tradition in orthodox Protestantism that in some respect paralleled the Enlightenment ideas that America&#039;s key Founders operated in and why orthodox Protestant forces, at the time, could join forces with Enlightenment rationalists and their &quot;project.&quot;

But in terms of the ideas of the Declaration, Jefferson lifted prose from Locke&#039;s 2nd Treatise, not those earlier Protestant documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Denney,</p>
<p>There were a number of dissident Protestant documents that predate America&#8217;s DOI by a few hundred years and of which America&#8217;s Founders were loosely aware.  However, America&#8217;s Founders consciously thought they were following Locke&#8217;s Enlightenment ideas.  Jefferson, the Declaration&#8217;s author, lists the ideological sources for the document as &#8220;Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ashbrook.org/constitution/henry_lee.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ashbrook.org/constitution/henry_lee.html</a></p>
<p>Those older Protestant documents help to explain, though, a tradition in orthodox Protestantism that in some respect paralleled the Enlightenment ideas that America&#8217;s key Founders operated in and why orthodox Protestant forces, at the time, could join forces with Enlightenment rationalists and their &#8220;project.&#8221;</p>
<p>But in terms of the ideas of the Declaration, Jefferson lifted prose from Locke&#8217;s 2nd Treatise, not those earlier Protestant documents.
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CoyoteBlue:  We don&#039;t infer that Islam is not a peaceful religion because Hassan Abu-Jihaad is a traitor.  We consider Islam to be a warlike religion because of what they say and do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CoyoteBlue:  We don&#8217;t infer that Islam is not a peaceful religion because Hassan Abu-Jihaad is a traitor.  We consider Islam to be a warlike religion because of what they say and do.
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		<title>By: CoyoteBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoyoteBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posts 6, 7 and 8

When Jonathan Pollard leaked classified information to Israel, did that prove that Judaism is not a peaceful religion?  Come on guys, logic.  Don&#039;t be so ruled by emotion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posts 6, 7 and 8</p>
<p>When Jonathan Pollard leaked classified information to Israel, did that prove that Judaism is not a peaceful religion?  Come on guys, logic.  Don&#8217;t be so ruled by emotion.
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		<title>By: John Denney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whereas homeschoolers should be applauded for their dedication and accomplishments, a judge in California has recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=58137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;declared them all criminals.&lt;/a&gt;

Hmph.  And just when parents are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=56264&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being encouraged to pull their kids OUT of public schools&lt;/a&gt; because of new legislation the Governator signed to &quot;institutionalize [in public schools] the promotion of homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyle choices.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereas homeschoolers should be applauded for their dedication and accomplishments, a judge in California has recently <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=58137" rel="nofollow">declared them all criminals.</a></p>
<p>Hmph.  And just when parents are <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=56264" rel="nofollow">being encouraged to pull their kids OUT of public schools</a> because of new legislation the Governator signed to &#8220;institutionalize [in public schools] the promotion of homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyle choices.&#8221;
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		<title>By: John Denney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1581dutch.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Dutch Declaration of Independence&lt;/a&gt;, written in 1581, predates both Hobbes and Locke and seems a model for the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

There is an introduction that declares how things ought to be:

&quot;. . . God did not create the people slaves to their prince, to obey his commands, whether right or wrong, but rather the prince for the sake of the subjects (without which he could be no prince), to govern them according to equity, to love and support them as a father his children or a shepherd his flock . . .&quot;

There a recitation of their history of grievances, and the declaration that they will no longer be subject to such tyranny:

&quot;So, having no hope of reconciliation, and finding no other remedy, we have, agreeable to the law of nature in our own defense, and for maintaining the &lt;b&gt;rights, privileges, and liberties of our countrymen, wives, and children&lt;/b&gt;, and latest posterity from being enslaved by the Spaniards, been constrained to renounce allegiance to the King of Spain, and pursue such methods as appear to us most likely to secure our ancient liberties and privileges.&quot;

That last clause sounds quite similar to this line from the U.S. Declaration:

&quot;. . . to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1581dutch.html" rel="nofollow">The Dutch Declaration of Independence</a>, written in 1581, predates both Hobbes and Locke and seems a model for the U.S. Declaration of Independence.</p>
<p>There is an introduction that declares how things ought to be:</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . God did not create the people slaves to their prince, to obey his commands, whether right or wrong, but rather the prince for the sake of the subjects (without which he could be no prince), to govern them according to equity, to love and support them as a father his children or a shepherd his flock . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>There a recitation of their history of grievances, and the declaration that they will no longer be subject to such tyranny:</p>
<p>&#8220;So, having no hope of reconciliation, and finding no other remedy, we have, agreeable to the law of nature in our own defense, and for maintaining the <b>rights, privileges, and liberties of our countrymen, wives, and children</b>, and latest posterity from being enslaved by the Spaniards, been constrained to renounce allegiance to the King of Spain, and pursue such methods as appear to us most likely to secure our ancient liberties and privileges.&#8221;</p>
<p>That last clause sounds quite similar to this line from the U.S. Declaration:</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.&#8221;
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yum, Yum, Lynn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yum, Yum, Lynn!
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		<title>By: Lynn Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mocha each for Klasko and TJ for correctly identifying the quote as from &lt;i&gt;Rudy&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Knute Rockney, All-American.&lt;/i&gt;

~~@)
~~@)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mocha each for Klasko and TJ for correctly identifying the quote as from <i>Rudy</i> and <i>Knute Rockney, All-American.</i></p>
<p>~~@)<br />
~~@)</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe B. - 21

They have just released the number to be 10 killed in Jerusalem.

There are a number of stories including - &lt;b&gt; HAMAS CALLS ATTACK &#039;HEROIC&#039;...&lt;/b&gt; 

Go to the far left for stories-
http://www.drudgereport.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe B. &#8211; 21</p>
<p>They have just released the number to be 10 killed in Jerusalem.</p>
<p>There are a number of stories including &#8211; <b> HAMAS CALLS ATTACK &#8216;HEROIC&#8217;&#8230;</b> </p>
<p>Go to the far left for stories-<br />
<a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.drudgereport.com/</a>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A freshman at Auburn was shot and killed on a highway near the college. (She is from Georgia).  A student at Davidson High School in Mobile shot and killed himself in the school gym this morning about 10 am.  Sad times indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A freshman at Auburn was shot and killed on a highway near the college. (She is from Georgia).  A student at Davidson High School in Mobile shot and killed himself in the school gym this morning about 10 am.  Sad times indeed.
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		<title>By: Jon Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction.  :)  Most of Noll&#039;s work I follow relates to American religious history or its antecedents (i.e., European 16th, 17th &amp; 18th Century religious history).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction.  <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Most of Noll&#8217;s work I follow relates to American religious history or its antecedents (i.e., European 16th, 17th &amp; 18th Century religious history).
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