Campus philosophy, campus shooting
Phi Beta Cons asks a thoughtful question about the connection of campus shootings to the implicit nihilism of the postmodern university:
Is it possible that such places “can drive an immature mind insane” or “tweak a narcissistic or paranoid [entering] high schooler into a temporary state of madness”? Do lugubrious classroom lectures “take a toll on students with no frame of reference”? And might such an environment contribute to leading some students to kill?
Well, this seems a difficult thesis to prove, and one that plays to conservative bias. Yet. Yet. The “atmosphere” of a campus is difficult to measure, but there’s no doubt that universities are where most (young) people first come to see that ideas have some kind of referent and bearing in the world. This is one of the cool things about college, one of the things that ignites so many young minds: ideas matter. This is why college and graduate students are so dang bothersome, and so dang admirable. They’ve just come to see the philosophical implications of decisions, of words, of ideas. And so every decision, every word, every choice is a philosophical battle.
So, before I digress too too much, let me suggest that, if college is when people come to see that ideas matter, and if those ideas suggest that the world is dark and mostly unfathomable to the average immature and unprepared student, then I suppose that those ideas could contribute to a whole series of unfortunate things: not just campus shootings, but drug and alcohol abuse, brutal and pathetic sexual behavior, and a general dissolution of ideals. Or not.




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It is an intruiging theory, which might have some merit. If the post modern view is pushed to its extreme, this sort of thing might well happen with unstable students.
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I think what happens to the minds of these kids happens a lot sooner than college. Columbine, etc. took place in high schools. It is true that kids in college may be away from home for the first time and are exposed to all sorts of things that they are not prepared for, but the problem is that they haven’t been taught fundamental principles of right and wrong while growing up and have nothing to fall back on. The kids in high school have the same problems, but the school still has a little more control.
If you have a society advocating that girls get free access to birth control and abortion without parental notification, if you have a society that glorifies the sex act as well as violence, and you expose your kids to all this via television, music, etc. without the counterbalance of a stable home life, it is surprising that there isn’t more violence.
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We could stop the shootings by declaring the schools to be “gun-free zones.” Oh, wait. We’ve already done that. Maybe the signs need to be bigger.
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I say we blame it all on the darwinists and get it over with.
NJL what does all your sexual innuendo have to do with violence, again?
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Does culture reflect society or does society reflect culture? Although there’s a vast amount of interplay among the two, I’ve always subscribed to the former.
Thus, campus nihilism (if you accept nihilism as the dominating motif) and school violence should be seen as a reflection of society as a whole, not the result of a secular, post modern, humanistic education system. In observing society as a whole, the most dominating feature has been the return of laissez fair capitalism both as an economic reality and as an ideology. When society has been reduced to a market splintered by demographics and marketing and when the ultimate measure of meaning is the price mechanism, you may have located your source of nihilism.
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Our forbears made it clear in home, school, community, and college that life was about maturing into Christan grownup men and women individuals capable of independently supporting a family with discipline and hard work.
Bill Buckley, back in 1951 in God and Man at Yale, signaled that American Colleges and universities had become soft places that essentially taught the sort secularism and socialism that makes for mainly weak or mediocre people, unable to seriously discipline themselves.
If anyone doubts this, I should suggest that they get a hold of Diana West’s recent book, The Death of the Grownup, How America’s Arrested Development is Bringing Down Western Civilization.
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Hmmm…” college is when people come to see that ideas matter”.
Not in the more challenging majors. In engineering, science, etc, you are expected to already understand that ideas matter before you arrive. And then to learn this idea and this idea and this idea and THIS idea and a whole bunch of OTHERS before mid-term and TRY to remember it all for the FINAL!!
It tends to weed out the unstable really fast.
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HRW: “. . . the most dominating feature has been the return of laissez fair capitalism both as an economic reality and as an ideology. . .”
Where is that happening? I want to move that country.
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We seat kids in classrooms all day long where we. . .
1. Tell them that God and religion are irrelevant.
2. Tell them to “play nice” just because the teacher says so.
3. Tell them to distrust the values of their parents and determine their own values (values, not virtues).
4. Tell them that truth is subjective.
5. Tell them that morals (morals, not ethics) are subjective.
6. Tell them that ettiquette, decorum, patriotism, and good taste are old-fashioned ideas.
6. Put all the wiggly boys on Ritalin because it’s not nice to wiggle in class, and put all the weepy girls on Prozac because it’s not nice to be sad in class.
7. Tell them that we are destroying our beloved Mother Earth, and that they will all die from Global Warming.
8. Tell them that they cannot help but engage in immoral behavior, because people just can’t resist their instinctive urges.
9. Tell them that they are merely highly evolved animals under the same competitve law of the jungle as all other animals.
And then we are surprised when the more off-balanced ones resort to killing people with guns. Have we lost our minds? Have I lived too long?
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It isn’t “sexual innuendo” Erasmus. It is the way all our children are treated. They are being forced to grow up before their time — both boys and girls. This is society’s fault. All I ever hear from parents is “that’s the way it is today, what can you do?” Parents could conceivably parent. If we didn’t have this liberal society that pushes all these “progressive” (read uninhibited) adult activities on children via the media, etc., if parents rose up en masse and demanded that the schools stop teaching all this liberal social horsepucky, children would not be at such loose ends or isolated so much so that the outlet they choose is pick up a gun and shoot everyone.
No one wants to teach children discipline. And whether you like it or not, discipline is required throughout life. No one wants to say “no.”
How many shootings do you need? How young do the shooters have to be before you wise it up?
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NJL as I have a graduate degree in statistics, I know that your simplistic little narrative is baloney. while i may pine for the ‘good old days’ with you, i am sure that we have very different conceptions of those days. this entire discussion is just so much bitching and moaning about abstractions that are irrelevant. not much else to say about it.
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Erasmus, statistics can be made to say anything you want them to say, so take your little degree — well, you know where. Then read KyleA’s list in No. 8. People like you never want to take responsibility, and that’s the problem.
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“NJL as I have a graduate degree in statistics, I know that your simplistic little narrative is baloney.”
How again does a graduate degree in statistics confer unimpeachable wisdom regarding what you deem sexual innuendos, violence and simplistic narratives?
Here’s a statistic: 800 on the verbal portion of SATs, 1970. I’m pretty sure you used the word innuendo incorrectly.
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Kyle A — the free market hasn’t been this free since the 19th C. International shipping is probably the best example of an industry completely free of gov’t intervention. In the new guilded age various countries have privatized health care, energy, natural resources, the military, and other industries. If the government does intervene its usually at the behest of one corporation over an other not the consumer or worker.
According to the Heritage Foundation the top 10 free countries are Hong Kong, Singapore, Ireland, Australia, United States, New Zealand and Canada.
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#3 Dave: “Gun free zones” only make it impossible for unarmed people to protect themselves against those who interpret the sign to say “shooting gallery.”
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Kayvee:
I think it’s fair to guess Dave is being facetious.
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HRW, if the overly-regulated, overly-subsidized market we have in the United States and the other countries you named is your idea of laissez-faire, you definitely do not understand the concept.
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NJL meowed Erasmus, statistics can be made to say anything you want them to say, so take your little degree — well, you know where. Then read KyleA’s list in No. 8. People like you never want to take responsibility, and that’s the problem.
Right. That’s my point. Statistics can be made to say anything you want them to say. It is just as accurate to assign causality of any event to the progression of the Julian calendar as it is the factors that you or Kyle A list.
That is before you even deal with the claim that anyone is running around telling kids anything from that list, which is a dubious and probably meritless claim to begin with. I’d like to see some evidence please.
Ken, I’m pretty sure you’re right. I’m also pretty sure that they sure have made the SAT harder these days.
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Kylw
On a scale of 1 to 100 with a 100 representing total freedom, the Heritage foundation rated Hong Kong at 90 and the US at 80.6.
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm
They define freedom as;
The highest form of economic freedom provides an absolute right of property ownership, fully realized freedoms of movement for labor, capital, and goods, and an absolute absence of coercion or constraint of economic liberty beyond the extent necessary for citizens to protect and maintain liberty itself. In other words, individuals are free to work, produce, consume, and invest in any way they please, and that freedom is both protected by the state and unconstrained by the state
Ten years ago, Hong Kong was number one at 88 and the US was #8 with a score of 75. Canada went from 68 to 80. In viewing the change of economic freedom in the West over the last 15 years the general trend has been toward greater “economic freedom” as defined by the Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal.
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Erasmus,
Got anything to back up your claim the SAT is harder? The math goes further now, but they allow calculators, too. They’ve added a writing section, but taken out analogies, which demonstrated critical thinking far more accurately than the writing section.
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Cameron
No, that was intended as a joke. Ken caught me in a poor choice of words.
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