Comments on: Judas: hero, or turncoat? http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:19:28 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-283684 krm Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:58:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-283684 JohmV - The Christ (an innocent) had to be sacrificed to pay for the sins of others. I think "necessary evil" sums it up nicely. The Pharisees and Romans were part of it too (I don't leave Judas holding the bag alone by any means - all who ever sinned are part of it, a rather large pool of coconsirators, no?). JohmV – The Christ (an innocent) had to be sacrificed to pay for the sins of others. I think “necessary evil” sums it up nicely. The Pharisees and Romans were part of it too (I don’t leave Judas holding the bag alone by any means – all who ever sinned are part of it, a rather large pool of coconsirators, no?).

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]]> By: Erasmus http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282910 Erasmus Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:42:11 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282910 since it was all planned before the beginning of time why even bother with such definitions? since it was all planned before the beginning of time why even bother with such definitions?

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]]> By: JohnV http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282842 JohnV Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:47:38 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282842 KRM - I don't like the words "necessary" and "evil" paired together like that. It's more like God taking preexisting evil (more than just Judas, too - the attitudes and actions of the Pharisees and Roman rulers, also) and rolling it all up and turning into something good, great even. KRM – I don’t like the words “necessary” and “evil” paired together like that. It’s more like God taking preexisting evil (more than just Judas, too – the attitudes and actions of the Pharisees and Roman rulers, also) and rolling it all up and turning into something good, great even.

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]]> By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282740 krm Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:57:57 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282740 SteveG - Definitely not "hero". Think "necessary evil" in this instance. SteveG – Definitely not “hero”. Think “necessary evil” in this instance.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282635 SteveG Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:01:48 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282635 Er ... I do know how to spell "conundrum." Er … I do know how to spell “conundrum.”

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282634 SteveG Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:01:07 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282634 Isn't Judas's role a real conumdrum though? He betrayed Jesus .. but if he hadn't, then Jesus would not have been crucified, and if not crucified, no salvation. At least according to the traditional view. So Judas did an evil thing, but one that was also necessary in order for Jesus to fulfill his mission. Hero or goat? Isn’t Judas’s role a real conumdrum though? He betrayed Jesus .. but if he hadn’t, then Jesus would not have been crucified, and if not crucified, no salvation.

At least according to the traditional view.

So Judas did an evil thing, but one that was also necessary in order for Jesus to fulfill his mission.

Hero or goat?

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282629 Night Train Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:54:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282629 Yup. Just checked. Pagels will be speaking at the conference. I'm always eager to hear her point of view. Yup. Just checked. Pagels will be speaking at the conference. I’m always eager to hear her point of view.

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/comment-page-1/#comment-282626 Night Train Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:53:34 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/12/judas-hero-or-turncoat/#comment-282626 <i>In other words, we have a scholar at a major university arguing for the veracity of the Gospel. That’s news to me!</i> It was just a few months ago that DeConick's retranslation made headlines. I remember when it happened, because I'd just noticed at the bookstore how many titles publishers had hurriedly cranked out announcing the "Judas was really co-oerating with Jesus" theory. I really need to Google around and see if Elaine Pagels has responded to DeConick. Heck, she'll probably be at the Rice conference, for that matter. In other words, we have a scholar at a major university arguing for the veracity of the Gospel. That’s news to me!

It was just a few months ago that DeConick’s retranslation made headlines. I remember when it happened, because I’d just noticed at the bookstore how many titles publishers had hurriedly cranked out announcing the “Judas was really co-oerating with Jesus” theory. I really need to Google around and see if Elaine Pagels has responded to DeConick. Heck, she’ll probably be at the Rice conference, for that matter.

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