Wright rocks the boat
Whenever Barack Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, decides to help Obama, he ends up inflaming the nation with questions of Obama’s patriotism and political beliefs. The latest news: Two controversial sermon quotes, one of Wright saying, “Hillary ain’t never been called a n——er,” and the other saying, “God d—–n America.”
Some say Obama’s associations tell voters what he’s really like. Wright’s rhetoric is miles apart from Obama’s but their personal connection is close. Wright performed Obama’s marriage ceremony, gets credit for the title of Obama’s book, and is Obama’s spiritual mentor.
On The Weekly Standard, Dean Barnett says because voters don’t yet know Obama, “The associations he chooses become relevant.” On National Review’s Corner, John Derbyshire says, “On the campaign trail, Obama has certainly not come across as a white-hating, America-hating black radical. A man can be known, though, by the company he keeps. Obama has been keeping some mighty weird company.” (In Roger Simon’s words, the company of a “racist demagogue.”)
Rod Dreher notes that the link between Obama and Wright is far closer than the link between John McCain and his anti-Catholic endorser, John Hagee. Break down the innuendo and you get this: Obama’s conciliatory rhetoric could be disingenuous. He could be far more radical than he claims.
Another possibility is to believe Obama – that he “deeply disagrees” with some of Wright’s beliefs but that “doesn’t detract” from his admiration for the man whose altar call brought him to Christian belief. If Obama’s conversion experience was the personal, heartfelt experience many evangelicals share, he might be reluctant to publicly repudiate for political purposes the man who facilitated it.
Putting this man in context may be important, too. On God’s Politics, (before Wright’s clips came out), Jim Wallis defended Obama’s faith and called Jeremiah Wright “one of the leading revival preachers in the black church.” Obery M. Hendricks called Wright a “wise, sensitive Christian freedom-fighter” who pastors a church from a mostly white mainstream Christian denomination. Do the views in this particular sermon define Wright, or, in Obama’s words, “the good works he has done”?
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Swing low, sweet chariot, comin’ for to carry Obama’s campaign to the funeral home.
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Wright’s comments and curses were far worse than anything Jerry Falwell ever said. Yet, Jerry Falwell found occasion to specifically and sincerely apologize for his comments afte 9/11. And it did not take him long. If Wright clearly and specifically apologizes for his comments (not just for their effects on the campaign) and retracts them publicly, I can respect that too.
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As of today, however, Wright is not just rocking the boat. He is puncturing the hull.
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Hold on, please someone tell me what is wrong with saying “Hillary ain’t never been called a n****r?”
Is this not true? is it a lie?
Did one of you guys immediately after reading this call Hillary a n****r just to make this preacher a liar? Joel?
Again, what is wrong with this comment? Is it just not nice? Don’t you think that every black person has been called a n****r at some point? I’d bet on it.
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So, because Hillary has never been called the N word, it’s therefore immaterial that Wright praises Farrakhan and gives him a Lifetime Achievement award?
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Night train don’t trip over the goalposts buddy. Let’s take things one at a time why don’t we?
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Nothing wrong with saying Hillary’s never been called the “N” word. Certainly it’s true. (You know darn good and well she’s been called the “B” word. But that is beside the point.) When Wright says this, though, it either follows closely or is followed closely by these words: “Jesus taught me to love the Hell out of my enemies”.
So why is Wright hatin’ on the “white man”, and making such a big deal out of how the “white man” is in control and how he’s keeping the black man down? This is nothing but racist bigotry.
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Yes, let’s by all means do take it one thing at a time. And right now that one thing is Jeremiah Wright, in all his glory. You want to focus on one statement and ignore everything else as a distraction. It’s not going to work.
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In spite of his lack of national or executive political experience, it’s only a matter of time before America discovers that Obama is as phony as a three dollar bill. Notwithstanding, don’t we all have some close friends or family members who say some tactful things with which we may not agree? Of all the many things to hold against Obama, this is relatively minor.
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the only time i’ve ever heard the “n-word” used in serious conversation was A) huckleberry fin, and B) other blacks using it as slang for “fellow black.”
I hear it all the time…
“what my niggas up to?” “hey hows it hangin nigga?” ad infinitum.
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Obama, we hardly knew ye.
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I have no idea what Hillary has been called or not. But I do know that she is married to the “first black President.”
“Sticks and stones…”
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Remeber Erasmus, People like Obama got the vote before people like Hillary did.
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Erasmus wrote; “…don’t trip over the goalposts buddy. Let’s take things one at a time why don’t we?”
Translation: “Stop making relevant points and deal with this on my terms.”
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Obama’s conciliatory rhetoric could be disingenuous. He could be far more radical than he claims.
Translation: Obama is only preteneding to be one of us with a slight tan. In fact, he’s just an other uppity black guy who wishes to overturn the social order — be afraid very afraid.
Nothing like stroking the fears of the white middle class.
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This pastor is turning into OBama’s personal Billy Carter
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#10 Tombob..
I think the late comedian Richard Pryor saw the power of blacks taking possession of the N-word. He built a huge comedy career on it. No white guy could have ever said what Pryor did and not be booed off the stage.
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The disclaimers that Obama offers about Wright are disingenuous. He says that he doesn’t agree with everything that Wright says, yet he has continued under Wright’s tutelage for twenty years.
Being in the military and having been required to move many times over the years, I have experienced the process one goes through theologically and socially to evaluate churches for me and my family. Just where should we attend when we go to a new community?
Many factors go into making that decision, not the least of which is the leadership, the theology, the attitudes, and the behaior of the pastor. When one sees the videos of these sermons it is obvious that the majority of Wright’s congregation passionately agrees with his views and attitudes. Are we to believe that Obama was quietly sitting and shaking his head in disagreement for twenty years during these constant bombastic railings against “rich white folks” and “G**damned America”? Not only was Wright saying these things, but 90%+ of the congregation was, and is, in agreement. I’m sorry, Mr. Obama, I just do not believe you.
Additionally, there is this point to consider. Mr. Obama would have us believe that he, in his mature discernment, was constantly filtering out the good from the bad in alll aspects of Mr. Wright’s words and behavior. Even If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt in this disingenuous claim, what about Mr. Obama’s children?
When I choose a church I consider it for my whole family and how that church affects them, especially my children. They do not have the discernment of an adult and they will inevitably be influenced, for good or bad, by those around them. There is no way on this earth that Mr. Obama’s children will not have been swept up into the racist and anti-American attitudes and behaviors exhibited by Mr. Wright and his congregation.
I would no more expose my children to that, than I would have let them, 70 years ago, constantly attend Hitler Youth rallies. What one deliberately and constantly exposes his children to, inevitably carries your stamp of approval, for both your children and all the world to see. That is just common sense.
To contend otherwise is disingenuous. No, I will rephrase that, it is an outright lie and you are a fool if you believe it.
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MIM
I think that blacks have a legitimate (at least, internally consistent) argument here. I also think that if you are not black, you are unlikely to consider this argument valid because it is not usually couched in emotional contexts.
NightTrain
You are free to move the goalposts where you wish. It is worthy to note that you are incapable of dealing with my comments on their merits. Now as to yours, is it immaterial to me that Farrakhan and Obama might be linked? YES. Because I consider all politicians to be shower sacks, to put it nicely
. As wiser men than I have said, Anyone who wants such an office ain’t fit to hold it.
Tombob it is clear that you have based those conclusions on a wealth of experience.
HRW, you are slamming the nail directly on the head.
Michael it seems that you also are unwilling to deal with arguments on their merits and are willing to flash your teeth because you sense that your social group has been threatened. But you know what the bible says about calling people fools, don’t you? Naughty naughty!!! Bad Bad Denier
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Erasmus (#19):
You have a valid point. I spoke unwisely in my last sentence. Now, would you care to address the main points?
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If I understand your main points michael it is that Obama surely listened to what the preacher said in church and that his children did too. And you are implying guilt by association.
Sure. Those are points all right.
I don’t see the guilt. No one has yet addressed the veracity of Wright’s statements, they attack them from a priori positions that, as i have attempted to point out, are confounded with social group membership. there has been no objective analysis of wrights statements were factually challenged, just the suggestion that they are not nice.
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No objective analysis of Wrights statements?
How about the “fact” that “Jesus was black”?
How objective do we have to be to see Wrights rhetoric as stupid and bigoted?
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And for Wright to give Louis Farrakhan, of all people, high praise is to give credence to anything negative I might say about him as a white person. Wrights level of rhetoric automatically descends past the level where one might legitimately not give credence to me, simply because I’m a white person.
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MIM
I am not sure if I understand your #23. Are you saying that as a white person you should automatically discount anything that Wright says since Farrakhan said other things? If so then we are in absolute agreement about why whites will find this offensive: not on facts but on perceived social group membership.
Now 22 is interesting. Did Wright say that Jesus was black?
What do you understand ‘black’ to mean? Keep in mind aboriginal australian and new guineans when you frame your answer.
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Oh give me a break… Of course Wright said Jesus was black. Did you not listen to his dia-drivel on the video a couple threads down? If not, you need to cease and desist until you do…
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“Are you saying that as a white person you should automatically discount anything that Wright says since Farrakhan said other things?
No. I’m saying that anyone should discount Wright because he’s a racist bigot who supports and lauds the likes of Loooey Farrakhan. Anyone who supports Farrakhan and still thinks of themselves as being able to “love the hell out of their enemies” (direct quote from Wright) couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag…
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Now 22 is interesting. Did Wright say that Jesus was black?
Erasmus, you may safely be ignored.
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OK so I am guilty of not following every link on these pages. So, you are suggesting I should follow this one. Which one?
Stubob, nice for you to separate the wheat from the chaff for me.
MIM again what does ‘black’ mean? This is the crux of the issue at hand.
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Erasmus (21) writes:
If I understand your main points michael it is that Obama surely listened to what the preacher said in church and that his children did too. And you are implying guilt by association.
Sure. Those are points all right.
No, Erasmus, you don’t understand my points. I am not implying “guilt by association.” I am stating directly guilt by agreement. The evidence that I offered supports that point indisputably. You failed to address that evidence. Instead, you mischaracterize my argument to fit your own bias. Please read #18 again, since you obviously didn’t understand it.
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Well Erasmus, if you already know what “black” means then why are you asking me? It obviously doesn’t mean “white” as in “European”. I certainly wouldn’t include a poor middle eastern Jewish carpenter in the “black” category…
And you still need to go do your homework:
http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/14/wrights-controversial-sermon/
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HRW writes: “Translation: Obama is only preteneding to be one of us with a slight tan. In fact, he’s just an other uppity black guy who wishes to overturn the social order — be afraid very afraid.”
Obama isn’t “pretending to be one of us.” He’s certainly not pretending in any way, shape or form that he plans to even remotely consider the views of “us” conservatives. We’re not American to him anymore than you a Canadian are an American.
What amazes me is how easily you fall into this “if they disagree with Obama, they must be racists” attitude. You’re only fooling non-thinking liberals on this one.
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MIM you are going to have twist my arm harder than that.
I’d rather listen to a d**n dog bark than listen to a preacher.
That’s the truth. I don’t even like to hear them tell coon huntin’ stories or lie about fishing.
That’s almost true anyway.
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Dude. It’s not even serious preaching. It would almost be entertaining if it weren’t so hateful…
But be disagreeable and ignorant if you wish… There’s nothing quite like being opinionated without really knowing what you’re talking about.
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You see, not a word about Rod Parsley, whom McCain has called a “spiritual guide” has in the past:
called hate crimes legislation a “deceptive ploy of [the] liberal, homosexual agenda.”
advocated criminal prosecution of adulterers.
compared Planned Parenthood to the Nazis. declared “I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! Lock and load!” at a “War on Christians” conference.
urged voters to “let the Reformation begin! Shout it like you’re going to carry the blood-stained banner of the cross of Christ the length and breadth of the Buckeye State!” at a political rally.
Of course, many of these are certainly Christian views and those that share these views will be the first in line to shout epitaths at Obama.
It’s so double standard.
I remember when Obama said he stood in Times Square and cabs raced by refusing to pick him up. Wonder if that ever happened to Hillary? Ya think?
#18: Are we to believe that Obama was quietly sitting and shaking his head in disagreement for twenty years during these constant bombastic railings against “rich white folks” and “G**damned America”?
Actually, all the quotes shown came from only two sermons cherry picked over 36 years. But who cares? It’s way more fun to call it “constant bombastic railings”. Hey, did you know Rev. Wright was a former active duty marine? I was trying to find out if he served in an integrated unit. Maybe you know since you seem to know so much. Just kidding. Any blacks you know ever stationed to serve in a segregated unit?
During his lifetime, the US government let hundreds of blacks purposely suffer from syphilis for generations, which ruined the lives of their wives and descendents. How can this be????
http://www.tuskegee.edu/global/Story.asp?s=1209870
Could you imagine a black government doing this to white people? How would you feel?
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How many of you would continue to attend a church that preached such hatred of any group or his own country.
Oboma has sat under is teaching for 29 years.
If my paster is teaching things I don’t agree with or are not in the Bible, I find a new church that is teaching the Word.
If Obama doesn’t agree with his paster, why does he continue to sit under his teaching.
You can have a friend you don’t agree with, but you should agree with your paster’s teachings!
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Lloyd, I have already posted this however, I think its NEWSWORTHY to post again.
Obama on Pastor’s controversial statements: ‘If I had heard them repeated, I would’ve quite’ the Church
Why didn’t Obama quit the Church after his friend Rev. Wright and the Church gave Farrakhan the AWARD, wouldn’t that have been a clue?
How many average US citizens reading this, find Obama to be ’slow’ to see what might be a problem, that is unless it might affect his becoming a President of the USA?
The man Barrack Hussein Obama had no knowledge of what his pastor taught Sunday after Sunday? Why didn’t he know after twenty (20) years? Did Obama miss Church every time a message was given that would have made him ‘think’ about where he was attending church, and what was ‘REALLY’ being taught?
The inconsistencies….. just wait till you hear the rest. Obama just wiggles around every question.
And FOX NEWS is where Obama heard about these statements and if he had known about them, he would have spoken up. FOX NEWS gives out news which can’t be found elsewhere the remarks made by Obama are very enlightening. TAKE NOTE.
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Obama didn’t hear about them on Fox News fer pete’s sake. He was interviewed on MSNBC before Fox, and he’d released a statement early in the day about it, and he’d denounced one of them months ago … he said he wasn’t aware of a few others until recently.
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The news this morning carries Obama’s denunciation of Wright’s 9/11 remarks denouncing the United States.
His denunciation is seven years late and only made under political duress. He’s a politician willing to say anything in order to become President of the the United States. I don’t believe him.
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#34. I don’t know any thing about Rod Parsley. Today is the first I’ve heard of him but as far the above quotes are concerned; I don’t have a problem with any of them. Most conservatives are against Hate Crime legislation and abortion and I hope McCain is too. As for the adultery thing, why not? You guys are always accusing us of letting hetro sin off the hook. I personally think that if you cheat you are at least guilty of breach of contract. The rest of it just colorful metaphor. Most Christians see this sort of thing in hymns and sermons all the time. We know we are in a constant spiritual battle and recognize that is doesn’t mean literal blood and weapons.
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Stick a fork in Obama; he’s done.
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KBells, this business about McCain’s connection with Hagee, and Parsley is a pitiable attempt by the left to counter Obama’s serious problem regarding Wright.
McCain, who stems from an Episcopalian family background, attends his wife’s Arizona Baptist church in which he chose not to be baptized. Hagee is from Texas and Parsley from Ohio.
He has become tangentially involved with Hagee and Parsley due to primary politics. Having been burnt in 2000 by criticizing the religious right, he decided this year to bend somewhat towards them.
McCain is a deeply religious Christian, though he actually abhors the sort of political/religious extremism represented by Hagee, Wright, and Parsley.
From’67-’73, when he was a POW in Vietnam, when not being punished in solitary confinement, he led Christian services, as he had committed the Episcopal liturgy to memory.
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RDean, Post 34:
I’m not really interested in getting involved in the subject at hand, but I would like to respond to one of your points in the last post you made. For your question about whether any of us could imagine a black government doing something similar to whites, I’d like to direct you here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1210883.stm
Or, you can just google “Zimbabwe land reform.” It’s not exactly syphilis, but the result is the same: racial and hate based murders with dubious or no justification. No one here is defending the Tuskegee experiments.
No government is infallable, and people do evil things, black or white.
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#31
Its possible to disagree with Obama or any other African American without being racist. Similarly you can disagree with Clinton without being sexist — I don’t like her not because she is a woman but because she is too conservative. Although I agree with Obama more, I would prefer John Edwards and not because he is a white man but because his brand of social populism would be beneficial to the US and more importantly for me its neighbors.
The original post isn’t racist rather its fear mongering; warning the comfortable middle classes that this particular candidate has a hidden agenda to undermine their dominant place in the American social order. However, this is the American social order which by its very definition has racial elements.
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#18 MIM
There is no way on this earth that Mr. Obama’s children will not have been swept up into the racist and anti-American attitudes and behaviors exhibited by Mr. Wright and his congregation.
That’s if they bothered too listen — I counted the tiles in my parents’ church. In a noisier church environment such as Wright’s I may have had a more imaginative way of passing the time.
#38 Michael Martin
His denunciation is seven years late and only made under political duress. He’s a politician willing to say anything in order to become President of the the United States. I don’t believe him.
So if Obama had called a press conference right after the sermon, the national media would’ve have covered it? Obama’s attendance was not considered relevant to the mass media at the time so any condemnation would not have been heard. Wright’s comments were not unusual from the left (and still aren’t) and after a couple of weeks would have been part of the background noise of post 9/11 America from which Obama would’ve had difficulty extracting where he heard it.
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Man, have the racial long knives ever come out on WorldMag. This is nothing more than an attempted hightech lynching of a black man by Republicans and conservative Christians.
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Anlir, that accusation won’t stick. Wright comes off like some sort of Al Sharpton wannabee, pastors a church whose website might charitably be termed racially separatist, and flat-out says that only a black politician can represent the interests of black people (what with all black people being the same and all), yet it’s those who wave the b.s. flag who are the racists?
You can put that dog back in the truck.
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Obama is not guilty of being Jeremiah Wright. He is guilty of poor judgment with regard to spiritual influence and long-term church commitment. No decent pastor is remotely capable of saying the hateful and intellectually dishonest things Jeremiah Wirght said in public.
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I guess we should go along with anything he says no matter how shallow, impractical or just plain stupid to avoid being called a racist. You know being called names by people whose opinions I don’t respect is not as important to me as my child future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3Rra3CgMA
Obama’s response on the Keith Olberman show — not exactly a hostile environment for him.
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#42: “Zimbabwe land reform.”
Let me make sure I understand this. You are saying the “Zimbabwe land reform” in Africa somehow relates to the US government letting hundreds of American blacks suffer with syphilis for generations infecting wives and children just “to see” what would happen?
I won’t bring up the fact that American blacks were dragged here in chains, I mean the ones that lived. African whites immigrated to Africa to “make their fortune” displacing blacks that had lived there for thousands of years. Huh, hello, how do you think they got that land? Knock, knock????
#39: I don’t know any thing about Rod Parsley. Today is the first I’ve heard of him but as far the above quotes are concerned; I don’t have a problem with any of them.
Now, why doesn’t that suprise me????
Let me explain something really, really simple. There are Americans who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan who are, wait, maybe you had better sit down. They are Muslim. They believe they are helping Iraq and Afghanistan. There are other Americans living in this country, peacefully, paying taxes, who are patriotic, who also are, get this, Muslim. Rod Parsley wants them destroyed. Maybe you had better do some research on Rod Parsley, unless, of course, you share his views.
#35: Oboma has sat under is (its) teaching for 29 years.
Actually, all thirty seconds of Wright diatribe came from only two sermons from 36 years of sermons. That’s right, only two. You could tell by the way he is dressed. All the other sermons dealt this Jesus, helping the poor, loving your fellow men. You know, the ideals Christians used to have before everything became greed and hate the gays?
I suspect Hillary has never been called the N word nor had cabs race by her.
#49: Obama’s response on the Keith Olberman show — not exactly a hostile environment for him.
A very honest response. Conservatives aren’t used to honesty. They haven’t seen it for a very long time.
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#50. Where in post #34 did he say he wanted Muslims destroyed? Thatt was the above quote I was responding to.
But of course I want Muslims destroyed. I’m a conservative Christian aren’t I? You can no doubt find post after post of me calling for the destruction of everyone but my own family and the people in my middle-class, evangelical, Republican sponsored, white mega church. (What’s the smily face symbol for eye rolling sarcasm.)
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#51: Where in post #34 did he say he wanted Muslims destroyed? Thatt was the above quote I was responding to
You know, if you are going to defend this guy, the absolute very least you could do would be some research on him. Otherwise, you give every appearence of sharing his views.
Do a quick search using the words:
Rod Parsley muslims destroyed
and see what you come up with. Then, you can decide if you share his views. Remember, the Rod lives is also a community of 150,000 Muslims, many having sons serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Let’s be clear about this. From now on, we’ll be reviewing decades of sermons given by former pastors of political candidates, right? We didn’t read Huckabee’s own sermons, of course, but will have to if McCain picks him for VP.
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Wright didn’t suddenly begin to make these statements. A person who is capable of these remarks has them in their heart, they aren’t a ‘part time’ occurrence. The congregation wasn’t upset over these remarks, …. that would tell me they were used to hearing them on a regular basis.
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#53. Y’all’ve been doing that for decades. Farwell and Robertson couldn’t sneeze without it being interpreted as something evil.
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Anlir: Man, have the racial long knives ever come out on WorldMag. This is nothing more than an attempted hightech lynching of a black man by Republicans and conservative Christians.
Shelby Steele, black author:
Possibly white guilt’s worst effect is that it does not permit whites–and nonwhites–to appreciate something extraordinary: the fact that whites in America, and even elsewhere in the West, have achieved a truly remarkable moral transformation. One is forbidden to speak thus, but it is simply true. There are no serious advocates of white supremacy in America today, because whites see this idea as morally repugnant. If there is still the odd white bigot out there surviving past his time, there are millions of whites who only feel goodwill toward minorities.
This is a fact that must be integrated into our public life–absorbed as new history–so that America can once again feel the moral authority to seriously tackle its most profound problems. Then, if we decide to go to war, it can be with enough ferocity to win.
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HRW (#44) writes:
“So if Obama had called a press conference right after the sermon, the national media would’ve have covered it?”
Your question is not even pertinent to the issue of whether or not Obama shares the same sentiments as Jeremiah Wright. Wright’s bigoted, racist, and anti-America views are so repugnant that Obama should have repudiated them immediately, but he did not. He continued with this man for over 20 years, praised him and considered him his mentor. Those who contend that Wright’s two sermons were the only instances of his expression of these views are not telling the truth. He went to Libya, praised Quadaffi, praised Farakon, condemns Jews, etc., etc.
Anyone who considers Jeremiah Wright as his mentor does not deserve to be President of the United States. Wright does not represent America and neither would a like minded Obam. Wright is a vile racist of the worst kind and represents a minority of the black community that Obama gladly associated with for over twenty years. Obama’s current denunciation of Wright is nothing but a false statement of political expediencey. Wright was his man then and now, regardless of the lie he now reluctantly tells to the contrary.
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#55: Farwell and Robertson couldn’t sneeze without it being interpreted as something evil.
With good reason.
Falwell’s top ten:
10. “The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”
9. “The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.”
8. “I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!”
7. “AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharaoh’s charioteers … AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
6. “Nothing will motivate conservative evangelical Christians to vote Republican in the 2008 presidential election more than a Democratic nominee named Hillary Rodham Clinton – not even a run by the devil himself … I certainly hope that Hillary is the candidate. She has $300 million so far. But I hope she’s the candidate. Because nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton. If Lucifer ran, he wouldn’t.” –at a “Values Voter Summit”
5. “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”
4. “Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America.”
3. “He is purple — the gay-pride color, and his antenna is shaped like a triangle — the gay pride symbol.” –from a “Parents Alert” issued in Jerry Falwell’s National Liberty Journal, warning that “Tinky Winky,” a character on the popular PBS children’s show, “Teletubbies,” may be gay
2. “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I’m for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.”
1. “The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’” –on the 9/11 attacks
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Pat Robertson top ten:
10) “Over 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that’s held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings.” –Pat Robertson, on the dangers of judicial activism
9) “Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court.” –Pat Robertson
7) “I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you, This is not a message of hate — this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.” –Pat Robertson, on “gay days” at Disneyworld
6) “(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” –Pat Robertson
5) “I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that’s the way it is, period.” –Pat Robertson
4) “I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there.” –Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial
3) “God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says ‘This is my land,’ and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, ‘No, this is mine.’ … He was dividing God’s land. And I would say, ‘Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.’ God says, ‘This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.’” –Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke
2) “Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up” –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department
1) “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez
Bonus Stupid Quote:
“Wait a minute, I didn’t say ‘assassination.’ I said our special forces should ‘take him out,’ and ‘take him out’ can be a number of things, including kidnapping.” –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez
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#57: Anyone who considers Jeremiah Wright as his mentor does not deserve to be President of the United States.
So, any of the thousands of children that went to that church? None of them should ever be president?
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Michael Martin, #57. Thanks for the incisive analysis that nails this issue.
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“Wait a minute, I didn’t say ‘assassination.’ I said our special forces should ‘take him out,’ and ‘take him out’ can be a number of things, including kidnapping.” –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez
I meant take him out for a nice dinner and a show! Really.
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58, 59. And that was over a period of about 30 years each. Look what we found looking at only two of Rev. Wright’s sermons. You just proved my point. So what’s wrong with a little close scrutiny of an influential person? Especially a mentor of a possible president of the United States.
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So would you consider a 20-year member of Farwell’s church a good candidate for President?
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Rev. Wright came from a different generation. A generation where black leaders were murdered. Where young black men were lynched. Where the US Government performed syphilis experiments on unsuspecting black men, women and children. Where lunch counters, restrooms, drinking fountains and even our institutions, schools and the military were segregated.
In the thirties, a famous black singer, Bessie Smith was stabbed and died outside of a hospital that refused to admit her for being black. Even in the sixties, black singers such as Sammy Davis Jr. and Diane Carroll were forced to enter buildings from the service entrance and not allowed in the main room other than to “entertain”.
Naturally, his view of America would not be the same as, say, George Bush or white Americans who never suffered any of these indignities. I don’t understand how Conservatives can be so heartless, especially since they are always pretending to be Christian and understanding. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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Most of us were not old enough or born yet, to have been involved in any of the ill treatment which Black’s suffered. It’s time that Black Americans who ARE old enough to remember these terrible experiences stop treating the younger white generations as though they have harmed them.
Healing will never take place until the bitterness and long held grudges, handed down from generation to generation cease. None of the anger will change the past, nor will it make a better future.
There are million upon millions of people who would not have harmed anyone of ANY color. The Civil War was fought on behalf of those held in slavery, but yet those of our dark skinned brothers and sisters never say anything about this.
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#66: The Civil War was fought on behalf of those held in slavery
An end to slavery came out of the Civil War, but the reason it was fought was to keep the union together. I don’t mean to be contrary, but you have that totally wrong.
#66: Healing will never take place until the bitterness and long held grudges, handed down from generation to generation cease.
And Obama realizes this. He publicaly says that he is from a different generation and doesn’t hold the views of Rev. Wright. Fear is a terrible thing to get past. It’s easy to say, “Get past it”, quite another to have experienced that fear first hand.
I would say if you really had an honest interest, you would check out the Church first hand. It is a Christian Church.
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm
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Rdean 67
I don’t agree with you on Wright’s Church.
Rdean, I don’t need to hear more than I heard and witnessed on that clip. I have never in my life heard a pastor from the pulpit use the LORD’S name in vain.
My interest isn’t in a man using the LORD’S name in vain over and over again.
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My interest isn’t in a man using the LORD’S name in vain over and over again.
And yet, you believe you speak for God. Hmmm. Not too humble.
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YOU WRITE:…..
“My interest isn’t in a man using the LORD’S name in vain over and over again.”
Your answer is no surprise, but it is sad.
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RDean, post 50:
No, you missed the point entirely, though I guess I shouldn’t be all that surprised.
I was simply stating that atrocities are committed by governments of all color, and government sponsored murder based on race is awful no matter who is committing it. You asked if any of us could imagine an example of black government doing something along the lines of the Tuskagee Syphilis Experiments, and I provided an example.
I suppose that if the wanton rape and murder is being committed by a leftist despot, that makes it somehow less reprehensible than a Western government doing it?
I mentioned nothing about what “caused” either, and I’m honestly not sure where on earth you got the idea that I thought they were somehow one and the same.
Unfortunately, however, it would appear that any attempt at civil discussion is lost with you. It’s a shame, really.
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#70: YOU WRITE:….. “My interest isn’t in a man using the LORD’S name in vain over and over again.”
Your answer is no surprise, but it is sad.
Sheesh, Victoria, I was quoting you from number 68. Better practice up on that memory.
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#71: You asked if any of us could imagine an example of black government doing something along the lines of the Tuskagee Syphilis Experiments, and I provided an example.
Yea, from some despotic country over in Africa. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT!!!!
And you say I can’t have a civil discussion? When you go out in right field somewhere?
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I’m sorry, RDean, I don’t remember “from a Western, liberal, democracy” being on the list of prerequisites when you asked your rhetorical question.
Of course the West should “know better,” but that doesn’t excuse despotic regimes either. I never said “It’s OK because this country did that,” or anything of the sort. If you don’t think my answer is sufficient, then perhaps you should have been more specific when referring to a “black government.”
That said, while the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments were awful and inexcusable, I don’t really see much use in using the word “we,” as I had nothing to do with it, and I’m sure you didn’t either. What happened was a generation ago, and isn’t likely to happen in this country ever again. They should have known better, yes.
And really, you can’t blame the TSE’s entirely on “those evil, blue-eyed devils” when there were black staff who were not only complicit, but active participants in the experiments as well. (See “Nurse Rivers.”)
Again, lest you go on another tirade and accuse me of trying to justify them, I’m doing no such thing. I refer to my original point: every government does or has done terrible things, and while there is no excuse for any of them, not everything’s as “cut and dry” or “black and white” as people like to make them.
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The thing about Wright is, he speaks forcefully and gets attention.
He’s dead wrong about some of the things I’ve heard. I don’t believe the government created HIV. I don’t believe the government is responsible for getting young black men hooked on drugs. But RDean makes a good point in that a black man of Rev. Wright’s age, who lived through the era of the Tuskegee Experiment and the Civil Rights battles of the ’50s and ’60s has earned the right to be distrustful.
But he’s right about some other things. The phrase that has Victoria’s knickers in a bunch, “God ____ America,” came as Rev. Wright was pointing out the absurdity of a country that kills innocent people (abortion, collateral damage in war, starting unnecessary wars) and treats its non-white citizens poorly (not so much now but recently enough that even those of us considerably younger than Rev. Wright can remember the last vestiges of it) invoking God’s blessing.
The Republican notion of patriotism, that you wave your flag and sing “God Bless America” and insist that anything America does in the world is good by definition, is foolish. It’s seeing America like a five-year-old child sees his mommy … incapable of doing anything wrong. Rev. Wright points that out, using extreme rhetoric because sometimes that’s what it takes to wake people up.
My fear now is that Obama’s opponents will be able to use it against him in the general election, but I am hopeful that the people who are likely to vote for Obama will be smart enough to see through it.
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Steve, I don’t think you have to worry about this stuff being used against Obama in the general election. The Democrat powers that be are no doubt burning up the phone lines, and have been for a couple day, trying to figure out a way to get him to gracefully exit the race. Without causing riots, of course. It’ll be tricky, and they may not pull it off without a few “disturbances”, but I’m pretty sure Obama won’t be the nominee. The Dems want to win, not “make a statement”.
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Solon points to the handful of black conservatives in America (wonder why, that one?) and picks one who has said :”there are no serious advocates of white supremacy in America today, because whites see this idea as morally repugnant. If there is still the odd white bigot out there surviving past his time, there are millions of whites who only feel goodwill toward minorities.”
But this empty. there are no serious advocates of white supremacy because the system is in place and it institutionalized that supremacy by proxy. You may arguing that the plumbing has been redone by the supreme court and legislatures, but the foundation was laid by the fruits of labor derived from naked exploitation.
if you’re not ticked off about that then you probably haven’t been exploited. Or you don’t understand how you are exploited now.
Just because you have a bucket of manure doesn’t mean you have to make manure sandwiches.
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