Artless Christianity
In my last post, I raised the possibility that modern, self-professedly Christian books, movies, and songs are in fact less faithfully Christian than art which would not be deemed appropriate for Christian bookstores. Flannery O’Connor’s Wise Blood, for example, would be considered by many to be sacrilegious. Leif Enger’s Peace Like a River, a New York Times bestseller, doesn’t follow the formula of lost but not terribly wicked people finding Christ, and godless atheists getting what they deserve. “Sling Blade’s” profanity alone would keep it from most Christian stores’ movie shelves, though you’ll likely be able to purchase the dreadful “Left Behind” movie.
Good art, in short, is excluded from the Christian domain if it depicts depravity, while terrible art is included so long as it is explicitly Christian and purges itself of realism.
I want to acknowledge that there is plenty of bad secular art as well. For every “Omega Code,” there are twenty “Superbad”s. This may be part of the impetus for self-consciously Christian modern art, in fact. But bad secular art and bad Christian art are wicked, I contend, for the same reason: they do not reflect Truth.
I wrote last time that I wondered if there might be some harmful consequences to bad Christian art. I can think of a couple:
First, bad Christian art denudes our aesthetic sense. A benefit of a very fine book, movie, or song is that it either helps us see truths about the world that we have not seen before, or it articulates — if only indirectly — a truth we have always known, but could never put our finger on.
Bad books, movies, and songs, on the other hand — ones afflicted with clichéd imagery or lyrics, or characters who don’t behave and speak like genuine people — have a dulling effect on our vision. They flatten the world and drain it of color, working violence on God’s creation.
Second, bad Christian art cripples our compassionate imagination. When the bad guys practically have signs in a novel or movie labeling them as such, and the soon-to-be saved characters are similarly cordoned off, we lose sight of the wickedness that inhabits saints, and the despair that inhabits the hearts of the lost.
Instead, we have our natural tribal mentality bolstered, that pernicious instinct that prompts us to think in terms of God’s saints on the one hand, and hell-bound heathens on the other, which is always accompanied by the delusion that we can spot them easily.
I’m still thinking this through, and so I’m wondering, what do you like about the art you enjoy, and what do you dislike about the art you avoid? What art, in any form, do you look back on as having the most edifying effect on you?




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I thought Americans felt bad about themselves after the Viet Nam war. We were told we had lost a war. Our nation was split. We were a nation going to the dustbin of history.
What changed our viewpoint? It started with a movie, “Rocky.” It was completed with our college boys beating the big, bad Russian Olympic ice hockey team and winning the gold medal.
Americans like it when the individual beats the system.
One thing was a movie and the other was TV. Visual arts are important to me and the USA. Music! Can’t you hum the first rocky theme, trumpets sounding…? Next, I can hear trumpets playing the ABC Wide World of Sports Olympics “music.”
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Art I enjoy has an Amen factor. It resonates with a deep truth, thought or emotion. There is a sense of yes about it.
But I think the reason so much “Christian” art falls flat is that the Christian versions of these industries are more about money than the art, even more about money than the truth.
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A number of years ago, I attended an exibit of art from the Irish National Museum held at the Art Institute of Chicago. One secular painting stands out in my memory. It was of a father standing with his two young daughters. His arms were gently and lovingly placed around their shoulders but his eyes looking directly at the observer seemed to say, Don’t even try to mess with my girls!” The combination of gentle affection and fierce defensiveness were the very definition of what a Christian father should be. Many explicitly religious paintings do not show such depth.
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Tony wrote; “Good art, in short, is excluded from the Christian domain if it depicts depravity, while terrible art is included so long as it is explicitly Christian and purges itself of realism.
I realize that today it’s really ‘cool’ to be grossly stereotypical with a broad brush when criticizing anything or anyone “Christian.” But you can’t speak that way with other groups or categories. These are the new rules. Face it Christians. Even fellow Christians follow them.
I liked your post Kathy, and I agree. But a lack of depth is far more common, in my view, in the secular and angry nonsense that abounds and circulates in the name of art in our culture today.
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I’ve been thinking a lot about this, too. I enjoy a lot of art that is not explicitly Christian by any sense. For example, I love Wagner operas, and I come away from one praising God for his beauty in giving us music, and the ability to create in beautiful ways. In looking at all the art that edifies me regularly, I find at least two common denominators.
1.) There is something of the epic story of God’s redemptive history revealed or emphasized in it. Wagner’s Ring for example, with all of its other philosophies woven into it is ultimately a story about a world in need of redemption, and a hero who rises above temptation and does so. This doesn’t mean a story or movie has to be “happy”, but it has to reflect some aspect of this redemptive theme (maybe simply the need for it, like “Magnolia” did so well, which I enjoy).
2.) There has to be an aesthetic beauty to it. Wagner’s music edifies me because it is beautifully ordered into a magnificent arrangement of instruments and voices. Movies that are well-made and structured with symbolism and layers of storytelling all reflect the ordered creativity of God, and the complexity to bring many things together for something wonderful to see, hear, and reflect. God created things of marvelous beauty to be enjoyed by multiple senses, and with many messages about himself embedded within. Poorly made art (like so many Christian marketed fare), and many things that get passed as “modern” art are not edifying in a similar way.
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Tony wrote; “But bad secular art and bad Christian art are wicked, I contend, for the same reason: they do not reflect Truth.”
As a past professor of “Art Appreciation” at a Christian University, I understand the pitfalls of setting oneself up as a judge of “good” or “bad” art on the basis of “Truth” with a capital “T.” My message is often for Christians to hold and treasure their convictions about Truth gracefully and yet to be careful about being too dogmatic and narrow-minded when measuring art with one’s standard of Truth. See a bigger picture while holding your values.
But Tony does not seem to be that open-minded. His notion of “Truth” unleashes a very harsh and unrestrained dogmatism and judgmentalism when discussing what he categorizes as “Christian” art. Consider his use of the word “wicked” in the quote above and consider his generalizations about “Christian” art: It “denudes our aesthetic sense,” works “violence on God’s creation,” “cripples our compassionate imagination,” and bolsters our “tribal mentality.”
Bad art is all too common today in all categories. But Tony doth protest far too loudly and nearly all his wrath is directed at what he sees as “Christian” art.
We should not lay aside our standard of Truth. But it’s easy to criticize Christians for imposing “Truth judgments” on art while at the same time doing just that against the ones we are criticizing.
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I have found that in some art forms, such as literary arts, there are gatekeepers who sometimes keep the message watered down so as not to offend. Reality can get a little too graphic for the comfort of the Christian reading audience, according to some in the Christian publishing industry. Consequently, a lot of Christian fiction tends to be formulaic.
Not that I want to see gratuitous sex, violence or language in writing, but sin isn’t pretty and it’s sometimes difficult to not go there in keeping the story real.
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Tony has put his finger on some of the very things that disturb me most about contemporary secular or non-Christian art:
I think it often “denudes our aesthetic sense.” We are living in profoud aesthetic poverty in our culture today and it’s not Christiaqns who dragged us there, in my view.
I think too much of secular art blinds us from seeing the truth about ourselves as sinners (often excusing or glorifying our sin and celebrating depravity).
It often has a “dulling effect on our vision.”
UnChristian art often “cripples our compassionate imagination.”
It often promotes the delusion that Darwinism is brilliant and secularists are open-minded, while Christians are bigoted, brain-dead, pharisaical hypocrites.
The very criticisms that Tony has for “Christian” are are those I have been referenceing for decades about contemporary secular art, which is yielding a far more jaded attitude toward the the arts (and life itself in some cases) today than ever before.
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Adios wrote; “But I think the reason so much ‘Christian’ art falls flat is that the Christian versions of these industries are more about money than the art, even more about money than the truth.”
How so? And if so, so what?
I happen to think that the marketplace has an overall healthy impact on the arts. Thus, the worst art is often that which is funded by gov’t or shielded from the marketplace where it (more often) needs to be sensible or good enough for people to put their money down for it.
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6-it is easy to criticize
Kathy-sounds like true religion portrayed, something many religious establishments/theological popes don’t think about until God brings about the opportunity/tragedy/circumstances for learning
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All the best Christian “art” comes from the gays. Odd.
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Rdean:
And a vast majority of it was created by heterosexuals. Do you have a relevant point to make, or was your rhetoriturd pretty much it?
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Since art invariably has an element of “play,” it often stands in tension with those religious traditions where truth is seen in one fixed manner. This is especially true in the West, where we see truth as a kind of quasi-scientific narrative. Art suggests multiple perspectives, some forms of orthodoxy resist this aspect.
Music tends to get a free pass, especially that music pre-1800. Post- and we get into Romanticism. I find myself more productively touched by visual arts, especially painting; and of course, poetry. Both of these media often deal with themes I find in Scripture and in the Church’s teaching.
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And a vast majority of it was created by heterosexuals
Sure, but the best comes from the gays.
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Joel Mark,
Mr. Woodlief’s steering his frustration toward bad Christian art might have several explanations, none of which constitute giving bad un-Christian art a pass.
–He’s a Christian, and might be particular concerned about what Christians contribute to culture.
–He’s a Christian, cares about what Christians think and do, and might be trying to make the point that what’s considered Christian art, as measured by its shelf-worthiness at Chrstian book stores, misses the mark.
–He’s a Christian, and thinks that bad Christian art not only fails to accomplish something worthy, but actually might be worse than neutral.
I’m not sure one has to take on all the evils in the world at once to justify paying attention to one, if even for a short while.
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I think Christian “Art” is popular because a lot of Christians want the same thing everybody else does. Things like romance adventure, excitement. But so much secular “art” runs counter to their core values. Many see things like contemporary Christian music and “Left Behind” like books as a good compromise. Basically they want guilt free entertainment.
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It has also been my personal experience in Christian Television that things are often controlled more by Clerical types (Priest, ministers) who tend to see art as just another way to get the message across, as opposed to creative types who are often more in love with the art itself.
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By the way, anyone ever seen any of Buechner’s fiction in a Christian book store? I’m honestly curious.
For that matter what about Annie Dillard or Shusaku Endo? Graham Greene’s probably a stretch.
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Rdean,
It’s true some great Christian art was created by homosexuals. But many of them were not “gay” in the sense that today’s homosexuals are. That is, they fought against sin rather than giving in to or even celebrating it.
It is believed that Michelangelo, for instance, was homosexual. But in the words (as closely as I remember them) of a PBS biography on Michelangelo, “He rarely if ever acted [his homosexuality] out because he loved his God more than he loved his lust.”
Tchaikovsky spent much of his life fighting against his homosexual inclinations because he knew that the Orthodox Church (for which he composed music) taught it to be sin and he himself believed it to be.
All Christians, whether artists or not, fight against the urge to sin. But the point is that even though they may sometimes fail, they fight against it. They do not allow it to define who they are.
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Curious Goeorge at #15.
All your points are well taken. All your points potentially explaining Tony Woodleif’s frustrations may be valid. In fact, they are valid for me too!
–I’m a Christian, and I am concerned about what Christians contribute to culture. I am also quite concerned about what non-Christians are contributing to culture, in the name of art (and about the reigning prejudice against all things Christian in our culture).
–I’m a Chrisitan, and I also care about what Christians think and do, and about what is considered Christian art and that it be decent artistically and otherwise.
–I’m a Christian, and I also think that bad Christian art not only fails to accomplish something worthy, but actually might be worse than neutral.
But I also think that sentiment is not necessarily ugly; that indecency does leave us jaded and dull; and that we can criticize Christian art in less sweepingly negative and dogmatic ways.
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#19: That is, they fought against sin rather than giving in to or even celebrating it.
No, they were made to feel bad by a Church that spouts the prejudices of a primative desert people. A people who beleived the earth was flat and believed in mysticism and the occult. The last two thousand years of hatred fostered by the Christians against their gay children is one of the longest running pogroms of evil purpetrated in the history of the world.
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Maalox may help when you can’t stop the droppings on your own, Donato/Rdean.
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Joel Mark,
I think we agree nearly completely. In fact, I’d say that it isn’t just indecency leaves us jaded and dull; quantities of mediocre vapidity can do the same, and more insidiously, regardless of its source.
I sympathize with Mr. Woodlief’s fire, being guilty of the same at times; It’s been a long time since I left a Christian bookstore without a somewhat ugly sentiment. I think it has to do with expecting more from those who have been given much.
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Tony, you’re spot on, although I would not necessarily go as far as to call bad art “wicked,” unless it was actually intended to be wicked by its creators.
#19
First of all, not that it particularly matters, you misspelled the word perpetrated and the word believed. No big deal though.
Second, let me point out that the beliefs of the church has never been defined by the beliefs of a “primitive desert people.” Until Columbus discovered the new world, no one was wrong to believe that the earth was flat–it was the predominant theory, and there was no better option. Besides, it really did not matter one bit to the majority of people then whether the earth was flat. Your equation of the church with mysticism, the occult, prejudices, and primitivism is fallacious. These are all things that the church, in its pure form, has always stood against. Granted, however, they are also things that the church, like every other ancient institution, has at least dabbled in.
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Joel Mark @ #9
First, I agree with your marketplace stand. I think every artist has a right to create his art. He has a right to pay for his supplies and a right to sell it. But if no one buys it, oh well . . .
But the big Christian publishers are not just about making money, but big money. Do you have a big name? Can this be a series with marketable accessories (dolls, devotionals, journals, ties, etc.)? They have turned retail into McCristian bookstores. I haven’t walked into one in years that didn’t look like an explosion at a Kincade factory. For my money the buyer for B&N has way better “Christian” taste. You can find “Silence” by Shusaku Endo at B&N, but I’ve never seen it at Bereans or Celebration.
The McChristian movie and music industry has similar problems. They are so worried about “guilt free entertainment” that they forget beauty rises from ashes in our human condition.
A movie producer gave me this advice about selling a screenplay. “Pitch it to the studios first; it’s like winning the lottery, but if you win they will do the best. Or sell the story to people with money, sell yourself and make an indie film for the sake of the art. If you’re just interested in making money, tweak the story so the main character gets saved and sell it to a Christian house. They can make you money, but they are the worst people to deal with. Get more than one lawyer.”
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Cicero – 24
You are mistaken, there are NO misspelled words in post #19. You might want to check out post #21, if this is so interesting to you.
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Thanks to CG and Adios for responses. Thanks to Tony for the topic too.
Adios, I’m with you regarding the “Kincade factory” trend. Also, I’m not of a mind to carry water for Christian publishers or bookstores, though I see them as a mixed bag of good and bad, just like any other competing resource.
My point (which I make now not as a disagreement with anyone else but just as a statement to weigh on its own merit) is about not falling into the trap that something must necessarily be depraved, ranchy, seductive, edgy, shocking or angry in order to be “art.” All those themes may well be included in art (in a responsible context) as beauty does rise out of ashes. However, there is no reason to devalue or scorn sentiment, wholesomness, innocence, and people “being saved” if those themes are not cheapened or treated in a shallow context.
Is it because we don’t see enough depravity, sex, violence, etc that we need more of it on a gratuitous basis in the arts? (not that anyone is saying we do, I am just making my own point). I am NOT saying those themes are off limits. I am saying, don’t fall into the trap of necessarily equating those themes with “high art.”
Jesus said, because of the increase in wickedness, the love of many will grow cold.” Matthew 24:12.
If we put wickedness on parade in our arts and culture and often scorn the decent, eventually “the love of many will grow cold” and so will our art.
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#24: Your equation of the church with mysticism, the occult, prejudices, and primitivism is fallacious. These are all things that the church, in its pure form, has always stood against.
The church has always stood against mysticism, the occult, prejudices and primitivism????
You can’t be serious. You take those away and you don’t have any church.
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I think a lot of the problem is that the ‘art’ is too often primarily evangelism in which the artic component is a rather low priority. More of the secular art is art first (or higher on the priority list) and the evangelism/propaganda facet is more subdued.
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JOEL MARK: Is it because we don’t see enough depravity, sex, violence, etc that we need more of it on a gratuitous basis in the arts?
If the carcass didn’t stink, you would not be able to view the beautiful whiteness of the teeth.
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I’m disappointed I somehow never saw the earlier post, and thus failed to weigh in. Here’s a current quality writer no one mentions: James Calvin Schaap. Also Katherine Paterson is (apparently) a believer publishing in the secular young adult market–I wouldn’t let a kid read one of her books without reading it first, but I end up buying most of them after getting them from the library. She’s a pastor’s wife. If you don’t want any edginess at all, both of these writers have some, but both generally stay within the bounds of good taste.
This topic is of importance to me on many levels. I studied it in college. I had a professor who loved Flannery O’Connor, re the earlier post, so I had a great introduction to her but never did learn to like her–I just don’t like writing that odd. I love G. K. Chesterton’s writing, nearly everything he has written, but cannot stand his novels.
I definitely believe Christian fiction is getting better–those of you who haven’t read anything in 15 or 20 years might want to try again. We still don’t have our Dostoevskys, but it’s still a new genre and it’s getting established. (Peretti is widely credited with “beginning” today’s Christian fiction. Fiction for adults was simply not being published at all before he hit the market.) Jan Karon is an example of a writer who isn’t a literary giant but writes good books from a Christian understanding. (I stayed away from her for years, assuming she must not be good since she was so popular, but I was pleasantly surprised. Not deep reading, but basically good books.) The genre is maturing, and I really think it’s worth a second look for those of you haven’t read anything since Peretti (or LaHaye/Jenkins–not an example of good writing OR good theology, but I’ve long since learned to avoid LaHaye’s nonfiction too).
I am an editor for Christian publishers, and thus I know a lot about the gatekeeping. Unfortunately a lot of the gates are in the wrong places. For instance, I’ve questioned appeals to salvation that never mentioned the cross and been told the passage was OK, but I’ve seen the word “jackass” removed (the phrase was “long-eared jackass”–clearly talking about an animal here, though it was indeed calling a person a jackass). I’ve seen a book about breast cancer that wasn’t allowed to include a drawing about self-examination. But I’ve had to flag in proofing (in other words, a book that had already been edited) a recommendation that it might be a good idea to enforce birthrates “by any means necessary.” Sex and language, even the gentlest uses, are completely disallowed (hints of sex between a married couple, for instance), but I think violence has a lot more leeway.
I too tend to stay out of Christian bookstores. What’s more, I was once at a Christian editors conference, let’s say 30-50 editors in the room, I don’t really remember, and the speaker asked how many of us shop in Christian bookstores. NONE of us raised our hands. (I expected at least a few hands.) It’s not that they don’t have anything good, but that they have little that’s good, and the good stuff I probably already own. I’m more likely to find something new, even in the explicitly Christian realm, in most secular bookstores.
For thought: One problem with Christian fiction is it inadvertently discourages evangelism. In books, every unbeliever gets saved rather quickly. In real life, RDean is still among us, and still RDean.
I think through the years hundreds of honest Christians have probably concluded they’re doing something wrong, because people don’t bow the knee right and left. So they stop trying and leave it to the people who do it right, like in the books.
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It has come to my attention that when I mentioned post 19 for spelling errors, I was mistaken. I meant to cite post 21, and I meant it in a completely facetious manner. It really does not fascinate me, as some people are quick to allege. The tone of such people, dripping with condescension, also does not appeal to me.
RDean,
Yes, I am absolutely serious. You can choose to see the church as a collection of “mysticism, the occult, prejudices and primitivism,” and that is your prerogative. I, however, for my own reasons, do not. Let me say that if I were in your shoes, I undoubtedly would agree with you–the church has contributed to that perception of it. However, I am not, and it is my belief that a completely objective look at the church, which is impossible for any human being, will reveal that it truly has been “the salt and the light of the world.”
Cheryl D.–31
In your last paragraph, you made a point about things being unrealistically portrayed in Christian fiction, and it immediately made me think about the portrayal of love. I am a big fan of Ted Dekker. He’s written quite a lot in a short amount of time, and though half of his books can seem like essentially the same story, I think he’s written some very good ones. He’s very big on the portrayal of love, such as the love of God, especially as reflected in the love between a man and a woman. He does a very good job of it, and I am usually very touched, even though it is highly idealistic. Although I do not know how damaging this is, if at all, I sometimes have to remind myself that this also is not based on reality.
I think it would be safe to say that our complaint on this thread with unrealism in Christian literature is analogous to the secular complaint that unrealistic depictions of beauty in pop culture lead to problems like teen depression, bulimia, and anorexia.
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This point may have been made frequently through the years, but it’s probably worth making again. Christians through the ages have tended (sometimes) to be suspicious of the physical—some level of gnosticism—and of art. Not just bad art, or perverted art, but art itself.
Case in point. I am not an artist, but I come from a family loaded with artists, including several who do or once did make a living by art (mostly painting). Three out of seven of us have published books, which is at least a related field. I draw for fun sometimes, and I own some books of art. But I’ve never taken a real art class, rarely go to an art museum, and the books I write wouldn’t even classify as “literature.” (Though I hope they’d still be counted as good writing.) But I’ve taken heat from one relative for my place in “the arts” (said in an imitation snide, uppity accent). I can’t get her even to explain what she means, because she tells me she doesn’t want to “debate” the issue. But I never speak of “the arts” and wouldn’t consider myself more than very peripherally connected to the art world. Nor do I think it would be wrong if I did have some sort of connection (publishing literature, selling my drawings, teaching art to children, etc.). I simply don’t even understand what the problem is, or what I’m part of it—I’m somehow tainted by sin without even knowing what I’ve done.
I don’t know how widespread that attitude is today, but it is still out there. It seems to me that God made a gorgeous world and gave humans the ability to work in it directly (gardening, for example) or to copy it in art, or even to re-invision it in art. Art is easily part of our stewardship mandate, it seems to me, and the beauty of the temple is a biblical evidence of that. We can participate in art for fun (e.g., me dabbling in drawing), more seriously (e.g., poets who publish their work, but work a full-time job in another field), or for a living (e.g., my relatives who make a living painting). We can twist art and use it inappropriately, but to be suspicious or art as art is to lean toward gnostic heresy (a false belief that the spiritual world is important but the material world is not—which leads those who follow this belief all the way to believe that Christ couldn’t have truly been human since the material world is corrupt by its very nature and the spiritual world is innately good).
It’s OK not to like art. I don’t think it’s OK to treat it as inherently sinful.
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Tony – As always, thanks for the edification. Do you think there is any link between affiliation and greatness in writing? Great Christian fiction writers from the recent past would include O’Connor, T.S. Eliot, C.S. Lewis, Evelyn Waugh, Graham Greene, Tolkien, Chesterton, and others. The common thread – Catholicism or traditional Anglicanism. Even those without much of Christian theme (Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Wilde) or piety (James Joyce, Santayana) were Catholic in upbringing or by conversion. I wonder (developing on the fly), do denominations with a more sacramental (or incarnational?) theology tend to produce writers with an eye for how internal grace works through flawed vehicles – other people, physical objects (bread, water), etc? Certainly there are exceptions – Willa Cather comes to mind – but the pattern seems striking to me. Correlation without causation, or something more?
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