Comments on: Obama Watch http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:23:23 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: SteveHu http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-284688 SteveHu Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:28:33 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284688 I remember going to a church for a decade that preached that the gifts of the Holy Spirit (in 1 Cor. 12-14) had passed. I heard the teaching more than once, but did not believe it. I had already been to a couple of other churches previously that did teach that the gifts continued, and I had witnessed them in action myself. So I can sort of imagine Mr. Obama hearing the diatribes against whites and not committing to them - because of the love shown him from his own white part of the family. I remember going to a church for a decade that preached that the gifts of the Holy Spirit (in 1 Cor. 12-14) had passed. I heard the teaching more than once, but did not believe it. I had already been to a couple of other churches previously that did teach that the gifts continued, and I had witnessed them in action myself.

So I can sort of imagine Mr. Obama hearing the diatribes against whites and not committing to them – because of the love shown him from his own white part of the family.

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]]> By: NJLawyer http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-284622 NJLawyer Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:04:12 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284622 HRW, that country would be? And don't say Canada because you guys can't even handle two groups of whites -- the English and the French. Vive Libre Quebec and all that (something like that, I don't speak French). Seems you guys have quite a violent history there with riots and kidnappings. The vision of the black Jesus that Wright has is not a "universal" vision of the Christ merely with a black face in a painting. It is a vision of a Christ who hates white people. That's not okay because it is a false image of Christ. Jesus doesn't hate anybody. HRW, that country would be? And don’t say Canada because you guys can’t even handle two groups of whites — the English and the French. Vive Libre Quebec and all that (something like that, I don’t speak French). Seems you guys have quite a violent history there with riots and kidnappings.

The vision of the black Jesus that Wright has is not a “universal” vision of the Christ merely with a black face in a painting. It is a vision of a Christ who hates white people. That’s not okay because it is a false image of Christ. Jesus doesn’t hate anybody.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-284521 SteveG Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:02:20 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284521 SteveHu at #24: <i>Other prophecies indicate that He would be of the offspring of David, a Jew. (This is why the genealogies in Matthew and Luke are so important - they trace His lineage through Mary and Joseph back to King David to prove His Jewish ancestry.) So if the Messiah is not a Jew who was born in Bethlehem, then He is not the Christ.</i> Jesus wasn't black, but he also wasn't the lanky European with long flowing hair that appears in many paintings in many Western churches and that nobody seems to object to. On the other hand, if the message of Jesus is universal, what's wrong with people of different races envisioning him as being somewhat like them? Jesus is obviously more appealing to Europeans and Americans of European origin if he is portrayed as a European even though, ethnically, he wasn't. Why is that ok, but a black Jesus is not? SteveHu at #24: Other prophecies indicate that He would be of the offspring of David, a Jew. (This is why the genealogies in Matthew and Luke are so important – they trace His lineage through Mary and Joseph back to King David to prove His Jewish ancestry.) So if the Messiah is not a Jew who was born in Bethlehem, then He is not the Christ.

Jesus wasn’t black, but he also wasn’t the lanky European with long flowing hair that appears in many paintings in many Western churches and that nobody seems to object to.

On the other hand, if the message of Jesus is universal, what’s wrong with people of different races envisioning him as being somewhat like them? Jesus is obviously more appealing to Europeans and Americans of European origin if he is portrayed as a European even though, ethnically, he wasn’t. Why is that ok, but a black Jesus is not?

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]]> By: Victoria http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-284512 Victoria Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:22:33 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284512 Night Train - 51 I know you don't believe but I do. GOD has a plan, it's HIS plan not anyone else's. Night Train – 51

I know you don’t believe but I do. GOD has a plan, it’s HIS plan not anyone else’s.

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-284508 rdean Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:29:07 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284508 Do you think he will heal Robertson, Parsley, Hugee and all those other white evangelical leaders who preach hate and intolorance against the gays? Do you think he will heal Robertson, Parsley, Hugee and all those other white evangelical leaders who preach hate and intolorance against the gays?

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-284497 Night Train Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:41:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284497 <i>I’m going to pray about this situation, I believe GOD can heal and HE can change peoples hearts, even Wright and those who follow him.</i> Yeah, well, good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you. I’m going to pray about this situation, I believe GOD can heal and HE can change peoples hearts, even Wright and those who follow him.

Yeah, well, good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you.

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]]> By: Victoria http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-284493 Victoria Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:39:21 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284493 I believe your right Night Train, but I'm not happy about this at all. I hate to see things like this happen in our country. Much of the racism has vanished, but this just stirs a pot which most of us hoped had cooled down, on BOTH sides. I'm going to pray about this situation, I believe GOD can heal and HE can change peoples hearts, even Wright and those who follow him. I believe your right Night Train, but I’m not happy about this at all.

I hate to see things like this happen in our country. Much of the racism has vanished, but this just stirs a pot which most of us hoped had cooled down, on BOTH sides. I’m going to pray about this situation, I believe GOD can heal and HE can change peoples hearts, even Wright and those who follow him.

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-284494 Night Train Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:39:21 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284494 <i>I wonder how many other churches there are like this?</i> Well, according to WoW columnist Anthony Bradley, this sort of preaching occurs in most of the black churches in this country. He put up a post today called "Wright Under Unfair Attack". (Which tells you plenty about where Bradley is coming from - remember, one of his favorite theologians is James Cone, who says the god of black Christianity wants to kill the white oppressors.) In the 2nd comment, Bradley said this: <i>Most black preachers preach for AT LEAST an hour. Maybe because I grew up hearing this stuff but it's standard black mainline preaching. He didn't say anything that you wouldn't hear in most of the 46,000 black congregations in America.</i> http://snipurl.com/21zq7 I wonder how many other churches there are like this?

Well, according to WoW columnist Anthony Bradley, this sort of preaching occurs in most of the black churches in this country. He put up a post today called “Wright Under Unfair Attack”. (Which tells you plenty about where Bradley is coming from – remember, one of his favorite theologians is James Cone, who says the god of black Christianity wants to kill the white oppressors.) In the 2nd comment, Bradley said this:

Most black preachers preach for AT LEAST an hour. Maybe because I grew up hearing this stuff but it’s standard black mainline preaching. He didn’t say anything that you wouldn’t hear in most of the 46,000 black congregations in America.

http://snipurl.com/21zq7

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]]> By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-284492 krm Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:39:18 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284492 Rdean - Jesus had to be Jewish (decsending through the Davidic line) - which would have made it necessary for him to be Semitic. Not pale, by any means, but not what we would commonly call black. Rdean – Jesus had to be Jewish (decsending through the Davidic line) – which would have made it necessary for him to be Semitic. Not pale, by any means, but not what we would commonly call black.

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]]> By: rdean http://online.worldmag.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-284490 rdean Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:35:47 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/17/obama-watch/#comment-284490 #34: impugn the integrity Shame on you. You can only impugn integrity when you have some yourself. You know that. #34: impugn the integrity

Shame on you. You can only impugn integrity when you have some yourself. You know that.

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