Blowback for liberal turncoat
Last week, I posted on David Mamet’s essay, “Why I Am No Longer a Brain-Dead Liberal.” Mamet is lauded by most as one of the world’s greatest living playwrights, and he hails from one of the most liberal environs in all of Western History: the stage (he also attended one of the most absurdly liberal colleges in the nation). As you can imagine, his essay raised a lot of eyebrows left and right, and National Review brings you the roundup of reactions here.
“I am depressed to read that David Mamet has swung to the right,” wrote the Guardian’s theater critic of more than three decades. “What worries me is the effect on his talent of locking himself into a rigid ideological position.”
This response is quite simply perfect, a Picasso of asininity, a Mona Lisa of moronic imbecility.
Mamet, a dashboard saint of angst-ridden cosmopolitan liberalism, has set out to read widely and carefully, exploring how his outdated political pose no longer tracks with reality or with his own understandings of the world, and Billington worries that Mamet is locking himself into a rigid ideological position.
Now, I’m sure Mamet is wagging his head right now at a weirdo Christian like me welcoming him into the fold like some new convert, and of course he probably has a much different view of certain elements of anthropology than I do, but it’s interesting to see how the change in his political views has already made critics and writers concerned that his work will, undoubtedly suffer that “so complex and profound and gifted a playwright should now seek to reduce his own work and his own politics to simple concepts.” Ah, yes! Truth. Such a simple concept! Ah, the poetry of it.




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I think conservatives are getting a bit too excited about this Mamet “conversion”. I hardly think he became a traditional conservative. Yes, he may be for lower taxes and a smaller government, but I doubt if he’s signed on to cultural conservative stuff, which is actually far more important.
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I think David Horowitz came to the same conclusion in his life as well.
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Now, like David Miller, he is simply “brain dead”.
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“Now, I’m sure Mamet is wagging his head right now at a weirdo Christian like me welcoming him into the fold like some new convert,”
No, Harrison, Mamet isn’t thinking of you at all!
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Yes Spinoza you’re probably right, but there are those other conservatives known to Mamet who are saying the same thing, and Mamet may be wagging his head at those folks…
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. . .rigid ideological position
The only rigid ideological position of liberalism is denial of any rigid ideological position.
. . .a Mona Lisa of moronic imbecility.
Truth as rational is banal to liberalism. The mind immersed in irrationality creates entertainment woven with truth and absurdity. But it still looks both ways before crossing the street.
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So Mamet casts off the rigid ideological position of present day liberalism/progressivism and is chastized for becoming rigid? How drool.
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NightTrain: I hardly think he became a traditional conservative.
For me the key paragraphs in Mamet’s Village Voice essay are as follows:
I’d observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances—that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal (greedy, lustful, duplicitous, corrupt, inspired—in short, human) individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it.
Aha,” you will say, and you are right. I began reading not only the economics of Thomas Sowell (our greatest contemporary philosopher) but Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson, and Shelby Steele, and a host of conservative writers, and found that I agreed with them: a free-market understanding of the world meshes more perfectly with my experience than that idealistic vision I called liberalism.
These clear views along with the title of his essay, Why I Am No Longer a Brain-Dead Liberal and the National Palestinian Radio bit are hardly tentative about his patently conservative stance.
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I contend that liberalism is much more rigid an ideology than conservatism. Conservatives reach their conclusions based on reality, and if the reality changes, conservatives are willing to change their views. Witness William F. Buckley’s embracing the libertarian concept of decriminalizing drugs. The key point is that he adopted a new viewpoint after giving the matter careful thought.
Liberalism is based largely on feelings and sentiments and is therefore unaffected by the facts. Witness the insistence on government-run health care, even though nothing the government does is more efficient or cost-effective than what private companies do.
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though nothing the government does is more efficient or cost-effective than what private companies do.
– a rigid ideological position
Conservatives reach their conclusions based on reality, and if the reality changes, conservatives are willing to change their views.
the root word “conserve” betrays the purpose of conservatism; to keep things. To change when your surroundings (reality)change is to bend easily under pressure possessing few principles.
I contend that liberalism is much more rigid an ideology than conservatism. …… Liberalism is based largely on feelings and sentiments and is therefore unaffected by the facts.
The two points are contradictory; one cannot be rigid when based on feelings and sentiments as they are transitory as opposed to facts which are far more stationary and thus rigid.
A consistent liberal position favours a free market of ideas and commerce. Tolerant and free on social or cultural issues must be accompanied by free market ideology in economics to be consistently liberal. However, liberalism may encourage equality of opportunity through gov’t policies such as free health and education, progressive income tax, estate taxes, etc. These policies do not prevent free trade from developing in the manner advocated by Adam Smith — an exchange of goods by two agents without interference from other forces including but not limited to the government.
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A conservative says “I’m right. You’re wrong. In fact, you’re not just wrong – you’re evil and you must be defeated.”
A liberal says “I believe I’m right. You believe you’re right. Let’s talk about it and see if we can come to an understanding.”
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Anlir writes: “A liberal says “I believe I’m right. You believe you’re right. Let’s talk about it and see if we can come to an understanding.”
Pardon me?
Apply your theory to abortion. Go for it.
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Liberals are mostly no fun. Always concerned when I am around them (which is maybe once every three months) that I may say something that might cause a law suit. Perhaps I may also wear the badge of honor of being called a bigot. Near as i can tell a bigot is a conservative winning an argument with a liberal.
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Anlir, you are seeing things from your own perspective, liberals don’t talk they preach. It is its own form of religion. Could you and I actually have a rational conversation on global warming? Doubtful And BTW…you are evil…kidding.
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Sorry, NJLawyer, but attorney’s are in a whole ‘nother division that I wouldn’t touch with a 50′ pole.
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notrobell,
It’s good to know that being liberal is a “religion”. I have been worried about my agnosticism.
Global warming? Just being a regular “joe” myself (not a scientist), I’d say the sky isn’t falling, but we should be preparing just in case. It would seem to be the prudent and conservative thing to do.
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Anlir needs to read Jonah Goldberg’s book, Liberal Fascism to get caught up with the real roots of modern liberalism that are traced back to the French Revolution and Mussolini that attempted to ram Utopian ideas through by governmental force. “I’m from the government and am here to help you.”
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“A conservative says ‘I’m right. You’re wrong. In fact, you’re not just wrong – you’re evil and you must be defeated.’”
A liberal says ‘I believe I’m right. You believe you’re right. Let’s talk about it and see if we can come to an understanding.’”
I attend a secular university and all I can say to this is, “Huh?!?!”
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I suppose I could suggest some books for Peter to read also, but I doubt it would change his mind.
A conservative says “My mind is made up. Don’t bother me with any more facts or information because I’m not going to change my mind.”
A liberal says “While I believe in x or y strongly, I’m willing to listen to and consider other points of view, which could challenge my thinking. I may even change my mind.”
In general.
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here’s the thing that gets me about the “Mamet is one of us” meme. His plays.
HSK omitted (and maybe Peter Leavitt), have you read them? The language, the content — these are the sort of things that usually draws ire from the conservatives. I was tempted to write somethin in the Mamet style, but it involved way too any asterisks.
Something of Mamet’s emerging conservatism may be seen in his earlier play, Oleanna (1992) about sexual politics and harassment at a college — this in the context of the Clarence Thomas hearings.
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Good, Anlir, have you considered what Mamet said?
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It’s almost as if viewing the world as a conservative can be distinguished from viewing it as a Christian You’d never learn this from the preponderance of blather devoted to the simplism that the two are inseparably monolithic.
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Bob,
I have. He set up a straw man (”brain dead liberal”) and proceeded to knock it down.
That’s easy. Any one of us (liberal and conservative) could do that all day long with both eyes closed.
As I said in the earlier thread on Mamet, he’s no authority or great thinker when it comes to politics. He’s a playwrite.
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“Sorry, NJLawyer, but attorney’s are in a whole ‘nother division that I wouldn’t touch with a 50′ pole.”
Well there’s another non-answer from you. You have been doing that a lot lately…
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#21 ANLIR
From the Village Voice article:
“The play, while being a laugh a minute, is, when it’s at home, a disputation between reason and faith, or perhaps between the conservative (or tragic) view and the liberal (or perfectionist) view.’
How about considering this?
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Anlir, was comment #18 directed at me? Did you think I needed clarification as to your meaning? The confusion and dismay I was expressing was at your notion that the liberals are open to discussion while the conservatives block their ears and shout insults. This is precisely the reverse of the reality and it still amazes when I witness such a blatant denial of reality.
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Anlir has apparently never heard of political correctness or of speech codes. He has never heard of mandated sensitivity training. He has never heard President Bush being called Hitler or of our noble soldiers being called baby-killers.
He has also never read his own comments or the comments of other commenters on this blog alone, not to mention on the liberal blogs out there.
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Labels often lose their usefulness as the underlying realities they refer to change. What modern conservatives want to conserve is Nineteenth century Liberalism, with its ordered liberty, private markets, an optimistic view and appreciation of the contributions of western civilization and its blessings and a willingness to defend and extend its reach.
Modern liberalism has moved away from these toward a totalitarian instinct ( although not presently authoritarian, totalarianism itself refers to the reach of political and state interest into every aspect of life, not its severity)where “it takes a village to raise a child” morphs into “it takes the resources of the federal government to oversee raising children.” Secondly, modern pseudo-liberalism has allowed a responsible and reflective self-criticism degenerate into a reflexive blame America first (and only) poisonous attitude.
Many of us agree with Ronald Reagan’s assessment, “we didnt’ leave the Democratic Party; it left us.”
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Gee, Anlir, I knew you couldn’t do it!
Abortion has been around for 30-some-odd years, pro-lifers just as long, and somehow I don’t recall pro-abortion people ever willing to how did you put it? “Let’s talk about it and see if we can come to an understanding.”
Notrobbell has it right: it is a religion with liberals. And you guys don’t laugh either!
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Just re-read what Anlir says about liberals if you want their dogma. They really do believe:
“A liberal says “While I believe in x or y strongly, I’m willing to listen to and consider other points of view, which could challenge my thinking. I may even change my mind.”
Just give me a for instance, Anlir! Just one!
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Ree (#25),
I was directing my comments more toward the one above yours (#16), and others in general.
The accusations that I’ve never heard of speech codes, etc. are just laughable. It appears that many conservatives on here have lost the ability to communicate intelligently and reasonably with people. Instead they’ve taken to channeling for Ann Coulter and Michael Savage.
They aren’t interested in dialog, but in verbally slashing and burning their opponents.
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#30 ANLIR
I have tried to do what you suggested, “…I’m willing to listen to and consider other points of view, which could challenge my thinking. I may even change my mind.”
I will be more specific, Mamet states that the Liberals have a “perfectionist” point of view. I take this to mean both Liberals view things having to be perfect (according to what they think is right) and Liberals think that people are good (perfect).
Most conservatives don’t hold to these views. We usually think it is OK for others to hold different views, just don’t hold others responsible for paying for your views, or following your views. Leave us alone!
I probably won’t be able to answer you until Wedensday evening, or even Thursday. I am making a 760 mile trip to consult our homebuilder and turn in house plans.
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Anlir: “The accusations that I’ve never heard of speech codes, etc. are just laughable.”
Had you heard of those things you could not have written that liberals say, “While I believe in x or y strongly, I’m willing to listen to and consider other points of view, which could challenge my thinking. I may even change my mind.”
Anlir: “They aren’t interested in dialog, but in verbally slashing and burning their opponents.”
Projecting much? Do you remember how you called unspecified people here racists? Lately you have been in the habit of dropping comments and then running off. You rarely actually respond to points addressed to you anymore. At least that’s what I’ve noticed.
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Bob,
I don’t know any liberals that have a perfectionist point of view. I’m sure they’re out there. But here in the every day world where we liberals work and live, I have never heard that come up.
In regards to “not paying for others”:
Conservatives say “Every man for himself. Yeah, some people will lose out, some people will be treated unfairly, and some people will get the short end of the stick in life, but as long as I come out better than them, that’s all that matters.”
Liberals say “We’re all in this together. We should all help each other. Don’t stand by and let someone be treated unfairly. Work to make life fair for all. Most of all, don’t step on other people to get ahead in life.”
In general.
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Well, Kyle A, it’s clear we don’t speak the same language. Until we can find an interpreter I guess we’re stuck.
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Well, ANLIR, I haven’t left yet, so…
Mamet mentions Thomas Sowell. Sowell wrote a book about Liberals and Conservatives, “The “Vision of the Anointed.” In it he says that the Anointed will fix any problem if you give them enough time and money. If they can’t fix it, they just need more time and more money.
The Benighted would say, first, if it ain’t broke… ,second, if you can’t fix it, quit trying. Some things can’t be fixed.
I would suggest, as an example, Liberals tried to fix Edumacation. They still need more time and more money.
I was a Conservative in education for 32 years. I am glad to be out.
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ANLIR
And about paying for others. My wife and I are in the 28% tax bracket, plus 8.5% sales tax, plus 8% state income tax, plus property taxes of $6,000 a year.
Isn’t that enough?
When I was in grammar school I read about the serfs in England having to give 1/3 of their crops to the Lord and had to give him time to work on his house or castle or whatever he wanted. The serfs also had to give to the Church. I thought that was really unfair.
I have said before that I think that 10% for the Feds and 10% for the Governator is about right. Everyone should pay, no deductions. No government should borrow.
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Bob if you throw in all the holidays celebrated in the medieval era, your sense of envy might increase. Then on the other hand, I’m not sure you would like to change places with them even if they had less taxes — you get what you pay for.
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HRW
I used to want to be a knight, then I realized they didn’t have toilet paper.
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