Comments on: Colson diagnoses church problems http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:03:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mtcon http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292848 mtcon Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:15:35 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292848 AMEN!! Good Job, Grandma!!! AMEN!! Good Job, Grandma!!!

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]]> By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292685 Spinoza Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:04:25 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292685 #97 - Well, Grandma, clearly Colson should have no problem with you! :) #97 – Well, Grandma, clearly Colson should have no problem with you! :)

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]]> By: grandma http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292678 grandma Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:46 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292678 "Act evangelical." Good observation. That statement is evidence that we living under the law. But the law condemns. We cannot live a perfect life, which is demanded by God. Matthew 5:48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect". We have no power in and of ourselves to be perfect. It is only when God looks at us through the cross of Christ that we become perfect. That is living under grace. We are not invited to live under grace, it is given to us as a free gift. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 As I stated before, it is not about me or anything I do. I have nothing to offer. I am free to live under His grace. It is ALL about HIM. “Act evangelical.” Good observation. That statement is evidence that we living under the law. But the law condemns. We cannot live a perfect life, which is demanded by God. Matthew 5:48 “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect”. We have no power in and of ourselves to be perfect. It is only when God looks at us through the cross of Christ that we become perfect. That is living under grace. We are not invited to live under grace, it is given to us as a free gift. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9

As I stated before, it is not about me or anything I do. I have nothing to offer. I am free to live under His grace. It is ALL about HIM.

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]]> By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292636 Spinoza Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:45:27 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292636 #94 p.s. But thanks for the prayers just the same! #94 p.s. But thanks for the prayers just the same!

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]]> By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292635 Spinoza Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:44:56 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292635 #94 Yes of course everyone is invited to join the stepford evangelical club as long as they believe and act "evangelical". Been there done that. #94 Yes of course everyone is invited to join the stepford evangelical club as long as they believe and act “evangelical”.

Been there done that.

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]]> By: mtcon http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292528 mtcon Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:06:05 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292528 Spinoza, The "literal Substitutional atonement" you write about is the blood shed by Christ on the Cross for ALL people. "For God so loved the WORLD that he gave His only son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to CONDEMN the world, but that the WORLD might be SAVED through Him". John 3:16,17 Nobody is denied salvation, they reject it. We are praying for you!! Spinoza,

The “literal Substitutional atonement” you write about is the blood shed by Christ on the Cross for ALL people. “For God so loved the WORLD that he gave His only son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to CONDEMN the world, but that the WORLD might be SAVED through Him”. John 3:16,17

Nobody is denied salvation, they reject it. We are praying for you!!

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]]> By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292474 Spinoza Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:44:50 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292474 #86 - Christianity isn't the only mythic religion that looks "foolish" at face value. I think most of these have psychological meanings that run deep and possess an actual psychological "wisdom" of sorts. The crucifixion/resurrection is no exception - it is a pretty powerful symbol of hope in the middle of tragedy. What ruins it all for me, though, is when true believers insist on acceptance of a literal substitionary atonement that confers special gifts of immortal bliss solely on the faithful while denying them to the rest of the human race. This special one-true-religion "chosen" mentality does a lot more harm than good. But then, I'm sure this is exactly what Chuck Colson thinks all Christians <i>should</i> believe! Whether it's the GOP in the Nixon years, or fundamentalist Christianity now, Colson likes to think he's part of a special elite club! #86 – Christianity isn’t the only mythic religion that looks “foolish” at face value. I think most of these have psychological meanings that run deep and possess an actual psychological “wisdom” of sorts. The crucifixion/resurrection is no exception – it is a pretty powerful symbol of hope in the middle of tragedy. What ruins it all for me, though, is when true believers insist on acceptance of a literal substitionary atonement that confers special gifts of immortal bliss solely on the faithful while denying them to the rest of the human race. This special one-true-religion “chosen” mentality does a lot more harm than good. But then, I’m sure this is exactly what Chuck Colson thinks all Christians should believe! Whether it’s the GOP in the Nixon years, or fundamentalist Christianity now, Colson likes to think he’s part of a special elite club!

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]]> By: Reg http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292468 Reg Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:15:44 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292468 90- that was convincing and non-specific 90-
that was convincing and non-specific

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]]> By: mtcon http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292460 mtcon Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:25:42 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292460 Spinoza, Erasmus and others, Again, God's word speaks for itself. It is not by our reason or decision that we become believers but by the faith God gives us through His word. God sent His son to die on the Cross as the ultimate sacrifice to bring us back to Himself. I am very thankful to Him for this. He also wants all to be saved but he gives us the freedom to reject him, which you obviously have. I will pray for the Holy Spirit to give you and the others the faith that we are so comfortable in. God's Peace! Spinoza, Erasmus and others,

Again, God’s word speaks for itself. It is not by our reason or decision that we become believers but by the faith God gives us through His word.

God sent His son to die on the Cross as the ultimate sacrifice to bring us back to Himself. I am very thankful to Him for this. He also wants all to be saved but he gives us the freedom to reject him, which you obviously have.

I will pray for the Holy Spirit to give you and the others the faith that we are so comfortable in.

God’s Peace!

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]]> By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-292450 Spinoza Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:46:45 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/10/colson-diagnoses-church-problems/#comment-292450 <i>God’s word speaks for itself.</i> Unfortunately, Christians often speak for God's word in truly foolish ways. I have hear "God's wisdom is as foolishness" applied to a lot of things other than Christ on the Cross! And most of them are just plain foolish; no wisdom of God is anywhere to be found! God’s word speaks for itself.

Unfortunately, Christians often speak for God’s word in truly foolish ways. I have hear “God’s wisdom is as foolishness” applied to a lot of things other than Christ on the Cross! And most of them are just plain foolish; no wisdom of God is anywhere to be found!

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