Religious Right UPDATE: Focus responds
The Religious Right is still desperately trying to catch John McCain’s attention, and they’re still running into the same problem that left them with a candidate so distasteful to them in the first place. They can’t seem to pull it together and make up their minds.
The latest news: A group of 20 social conservative leaders has signed a full-page ad issuing dark threats if McCain picks Mitt Romney for his vice president. The irony: The group includes a former Romney supporter.
Paul Weyrich – founder of the Moral Majority – once supported Mitt Romney for president. Then Weyrich admitted before Religious Right leaders “and before almighty God” that he was wrong, and decided to join the campaign against Mitt Romney for vice president.
Baffling, but Christian Right guru James Dobson has flip-flopped, too [see Focus response below]. First, Dobson said he would vote for a third party candidate if neither party nominated “an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life.” Then Dobson said he would vote for (but not endorse) either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee. After Romney dropped out, Dobson endorsed Huckabee — too late to make a difference.
The GOP nominated a candidate with an unimpeachable pro-life voting record, but Dobson still isn’t happy. He backed off his threat to vote third party and said he wouldn’t vote at all this November. Then he changed his mind and said he will vote, despite the fact that McCain supports embryonic stem cell research.
But if McCain changed his position, would it help? It didn’t help Romney. The whole thrust of the anti-Romney campaign is that Romney is untrustworthy because he reversed his positions on abortion and gay marriage.
On April 2, James Dobson told the Wall Street Journal, “I have seen no evidence that Sen. McCain is successfully unifying the Republican Party or drawing conservatives into his fold.” Considering the wildly vacillating choices social conservatives have made this election season, maybe McCain is waiting for them to unify themselves first.
UPDATE: (From Gary Schneeberger, vice president of media and public relations for Focus on the Family Action):
The thesis of Alisa Harris’ commentary is faulty – which might explain why some of her facts are, too. Central to her analysis is that socially conservative evangelicals all fit snugly under a single tent; problem is, that never has been accurate. Our movement is a vast and varied one – from political insiders who see pragmatism as the best way to effect long-term change, to more prophetic voices whose allegiance is to principles – not candidates, political parties or even election results.
It is into this second camp that Dr. Dobson falls. Ms. Harris accuses him of “flip-flopping” on the standards that will guide his voting this November. In truth, Dr. Dobson made it clear, speaking as a private citizen from as early as January 2007, that he could not support Sen. McCain’s candidacy. He said the same of the candidacies of Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson later last year. He also said, as Ms. Harris notes, he would vote for a third-party candidate if both major parties nominated standard-bearers not committed to the sanctity of human life. That commitment to not cast a ballot for someone who would end preborn life has not wobbled one whit: certainly not in Dr. Dobson’s indication he could vote for either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, the two candidates who unapologetically championed the pro-life cause; or in his endorsement this February of Gov. Huckabee, still in the race at the time.
It is also unfortunate that Ms. Harris states that Dr. Dobson remains unhappy even though the GOP, in McCain, has anointed someone with an “unimpeachable pro-life voting record.” That is simply untrue. Sen. McCain led the charge in the Senate on two bills that would have allocated federal money for lab experiments on human embryos – tiny human lives which would have been killed after the tests were done. Thankfully, President Bush understood that you can’t call yourself pro-life and abide the slaughter of nascent life in the name of suspect science. He vetoed the immoral legislation, knowing it would lead to cloning. Dr. Dobson agrees with the president’s position, which is one of the reasons he is “still not happy” with the GOP’s ’08 nominee.
Still, Ms. Harris goes on to suggest Dr. Dobson recently told Sean Hannity he would vote for Sen. McCain anyway – evidence of yet another apparent flip-flop. In truth, what Dr. Dobson said on Hannity’s America a few weeks ago was that he certainly would vote, but gave no indication for whom, emphasizing the importance of the candidates and issues down the ballot and expressing his belief that we have a God-given responsibility to let our voices be heard. Again, there is nothing inconsistent in these pronouncements.
Dr. Dobson has spent 35 years “in the arena,” as Theodore Roosevelt said, defending the value of all human life and the importance of traditional marriage as a building block of society. He’s taken his fair share of hits from the media (even the Christian media, including World) for the stands he’s taken. Those positions spring not from expediency, but from conscience and principle. It is an honor to serve such a man, because he is the antithesis of a flip-flopper. He is guided by deeply held biblical convictions – and is unafraid to defend his beliefs against those who would mock or misrepresent them.
Readers: I stand corrected in my mischaracterization of Dr. Dobson’s comments, saying that he will vote in November, as implying that he will vote for Sen. John McCain. It wasn’t my intention to misrepresent his position in any way, and I’m very sorry for any damage or confusion this has caused. Alisa Harris
The original article was posted on WORLD On the Web on April 8.



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Note to Religious Right: Scratch all current plans. Get out of politics and into your prayer closets.
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I will say that Dr. Dobson has a point about McCain. However Romney’s record on social conservatives issues was much worse than McCains’. Romeny was listed as a RINO (Republican In Name Only) and the 7th most liberal Republican elected official in the country by Human Events (a respected conservative publication). If McCain selects Romney or another liberal for his VP then I will vote third party, otherwise I will vote for McCain.
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McCain is an astute politician. He knows that as long as Obama and Hillary are the choices of the left, the Right will have no option but to vote for him or stay home. Some will stay home, most will not. He technically doesn’t need the Right’s endorsement because they will vote for him anyway.
The alternative is to give the Presidency to leftist candidates, and that is no alternative.
Note to Religious Right: Revise your plans and go to the booth on the second Tuesday of November.
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Isn’t Dr. Dobson a psychologist or something like that? I think he’s out of his element in politics and should refrain from dabbling in it. That goes for preachers and Hollywood types also. It would help clear the air a bit if they would all just go back to whatever it is they do for a living.
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I’m holding my nose. (Again…I live in CA.)
The Governator is pretty pitiful to this Republican, but the alernatives? You ain’t seen nuthin’ ’til you see LA’s mayor smilin’ at’ja! He’s on the tube as often as a used car salesman and just as honest.
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It is no surprise to me that this group officially endorses Mike Huckabee as President, even after John McCain has won the nomination. It looks to me like Mike Huckabee is trying to gather as much support around him as possible to position himself well for the 2012 election cycle. Apparently, these conservative leaders believe that combining religion and government would be best for everyone. I agree with this article that all of them are now “flip-floppers.” It is also amazing to me that many of the “conservative RINO” leaders signing this ad were from Massachusetts who obviously lost some money for the support of their own political agendas through Mitt Romney’s work to provide a surplus to the state.
It is interesting to me that Mitt Romney still took Massachusetts. If he had done so terribly there, why did the GOP in Massachusetts give him such a resounding victory? I guess these leaders are not all that they are cracked up to be! I would recommend that those who support them leave now! All of them have their own political agenda and it may not conform to what you think it should be. Buyer beware!
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Yes, Mr. Dobson is a pychologist who runs Focus on the Family, a charitable organization that is not legally supposed to influence candidates or politicians. Maybe he needs an IRS investigation since his name is on this advertisement and he is a well know friend of Mike Huckabee who supports this God is not Government PAC.
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When James Dobson speaks out on politics, he always does so with the clearly stated understanding that he is speaking as a private citizen. And his life’s work on behalf of high family values makes him just about the most qualified private citizen in this country to express his views on politics.
He has kept himself at the table and participated in public discourse in responsible ways. He obviously cares. Any and all have every right to disagree with him, but his pro-life and pro-family convictions are clear as a bell–and are strongly held. Would that we got such clarity from others. His best options seem to keep falling off and his is honest about how he sees the changing landscape.
Let the conversation continue and let Christians participate gracefully and with conviction.
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Thomas Sowell wrote: “Senator John McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can cause me to vote for McCain.”
I am not sure even the Dems can make me vote for McCain. Most of his political passions on the domestic front run passionately liberal. All bills with his name on it were far left and unconstitutional. In my view, he holds social conservatives in disdain. He would be nothing but heartache for conservatives.
Worse, he lied all over his pants about Romney’s position on the war in the Florida primary debate and has NEVER honestly owned up to his offense. Romney was graceful in return.
If McCain added Romney to his ticket, it would an immense amount of integrity and economic expertise, that McCain does not bring to the table. No Dem VP candidate could stand up to Romney in a debate. McCain needs the credibility on the economy that Romney would bring. Without Romney on the ticket, I probably would not vote for McCain, but I don’t have to commit until I get in the booth. My love of country will be the deciding factor.
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Thomas Sowell also wrote: “What is more scary than any particular candidate or policy is the gullibility of the public and their willingness to be satisfied with talking points, rather than serious arguments.”
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Conservative Image, Dr. Dobson has always made clear with any endorsement that he speaks for himself, not for any organization (meaning Focus on the Family). I rather assume he can legally do that, or he wouldn’t have “gotten away with it” so many years.
RRBar, So who all is allowed to be involved in politics? Just politicians? How about, since this is a republic, we all can get involved in speaking out about political issues. And other people can choose whether or not to take a particular person’s endorsement or reject it.
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[*coughbobbarrcough*]
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I think Dr Dobson (and all of us) should focus our efforts more on changing the culture. That can best be done by non-political means, although Christian voter registration drives should never be underemphasized. Unfortunately, the dominant tools for shaping the culture in the USA are entertainment, the media and the legal profession. Too many Christians dare not soil their hands using any of those three tools.
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13 – Sawgunner wrote: ” think Dr Dobson (and all of us) should focus our efforts more on changing the culture.”
I can[t think of anyone who has followed that advice better than James Dobson, and that include with non-political means. The fact that is also willing to weigh in on politics sometimes does not change what he has done for matters of faith and culture.
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The Leaders in the religious right could have endorsed Huckabee and would not be in this dilema they are in with McCain, they’re arrogance in rejecting Huckabee because they wanted a place at the table is coming back to haunt them
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It is strange that these religious leaders, who supposedly are supposed to stand up for moral behavior would endorse someone who Judicial watch listed as one of the 10 most corrupt politicians.
http://tinyurl.com/3xbnyn
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These religious leaders are distorting Romney’s record to prevent him from becoming president. Not having a Mormon president is more important to them than his real stand on the issues or his ability to do a good job as president.
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This year, I intend to vote for the Constitutional Party. I also intend to cast my vote for a constitutional candidate for our open congressional seat as well.
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yeah because your jesus told you to run around changing cultures.
you can always put smallpox in the blanket, right?
christian history of ‘changing cultures’ sure is a checkerboard, huh?
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Actually the article has one person, Paul Weyrich, flipping. Nobody has flopped back.
“you can always put smallpox in the blanket, right?”
And you can always repeat an accusation that has no actual historical basis to plumb the depth of snarkiness instead of offering an honest and intelligent critique.
Western European and American civilization has granted the highest standard of living, the greatest freedom and quality of life in history. And it would be impossible and unintelligible without its Christian underpinnings.
As citizens, it is incumbent on Christians to exercise the prerogatives of that citizenship, as Paul did with his Roman citizenship, in our case by speaking out, voting, and running for office, despite the bigots who complain that Christians should be excluded from shaping public policy.
McCain is far from my first choice, but on national defense and international relations, the most important of a President’s responilities, he is the only candidate who has a clue.
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After rereading the article, it now appears to me that James Dobson also flipped, not once but twice, but never flopped back against his original position.
This is not mere pedantic quibbling about semantics. Words are thoughts, and imprecise and sloppy use of words betray imprecise and sloppy thinking.
Flip-flopping follows this sequence: A, no not A, B; no not B, A.
Dobson went: A, no not A, B, no not B, -B.
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And you can always repeat an accusation that has no actual historical basis
ORLY?
Western European and American civilization has granted the most unsustainable standard of living in history and called it freedom and quality of life . And it would be impossible and unintelligible to steal the land from its inhabitants without its Christian underpinnings.
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there fixed that for you.
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Just a note to any new onlookers:
“ERASMUS” is actually a bot (pronounced “bot”), which means it will make a computerized, auto-generated reply if someone makes a post of his or her own containing certain “buzzwords,” as they’re know in programming language.
The ERASMUS can generate replies in such a way that is sounds *just like* it came from a DailyKos blogger. It’s pretty neat, and hilarious if you like parody.
Try if yourself. What you do is, enter a post with a few words or phrases distasteful to Lefties. Here’s an example post (no need for complete sentences, and the ERASMUS is not case sensitive):
young earth homeschool jerry falwell
Then, there’s about a 1 in 4 chance the ERASMUS will kick out an automated response, often addressed to you specifically (I know, I can’t keep up with technology either). The one downside so far is that the program is only capable of 5 or 6 responses, and there are no plans for new ones at this time.
More on this may soon be made available at the WoW FAQ page, but I doubt it.
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Erasmus leans back in his chair made partially out of steel fired in a complex and high-tech process, partially out of synthetic fabrics, reaches over and adjusts the strength of his electric lamp, thereby resulting in a slight increase in electricity consumption, such that power is marginally increased over many dozens of miles of wires and relays from a far-distant powerplant. He cleans his glasses, which enable him to see (or is it contact lenses?); said spectacles are a marvel of light-weight high-tech materials and optics science. Then he reaches over and stirs a shot of whiskey into his Coke, both liquids transported from more or less great distances in large internal combustion engine -fired machines that use gasoline which is refined from crude oil that is in turn first shipped across the oceans and through high-tech pipelines. He turns back to his keyboard (plastic and precious-metal based) and looks at his computer screen (the monitor is a doozy) and watches some new stuff load up (Man, is this new software fast, he thinks).
Then he looks at his digital watch and cusses under his breath, “Damn, I only have an hour of leisure time to blog before I have to go pick up the kids at soccer practice (or advanced mushroom picking, or whatever).
And then he types in his usual stuff about how horrible Western civilization has been, is, and how its demise is so inevitable and will be so SPLENDID and DESERVED.
Now: Turn the clock back five thousand years to a valley somewhere on the American or Asian or European continent: Very Ancient Erasmus (maybe related to modern Erasmus, maybe not) is holed up in a cave. He is exactly 18 years old and has maybe two years to go before he is utterly over the hill – he looks like a fifty year old man now, anyway, after all the scars and infections he has had. He won’t have to worry about making it to the ripe old age of 20 ANYWAY.
He has been chased into the cave by a pack of dire wolves (give me a break on time frame) who are even now moving in for the kill. Old Erasmus is REALLY cold because he has a sort of fever and all he has is some dead leaves to cover himself with; his single ratty deerskin was stolen the previous day by a war party during a raid in which his entire tribe (excepting him) was butchered. On top of that he has a real DOOZY of a headache; chewing on the bark of the honey locust did not do any good (contrary to what the medicine man who was spaced out on some sort of weed had told him).
Then, as he lies in the muck of the cave waiting for his miserable end, he has a vision of something that seems a bit better than his current state, like maybe a little PILL-LIKE thing that would at least make his headache better – but then, alas, the wolves pile in and he (Very Ancient Erasmus) is vigorously and thoroughly recycled JUST before he can quite flesh out the amazing idea he was having.
His last thought was “Oh, Crap. There HAS to be something better than THIS.”
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Drill with your imagination you could write gospels or the pentateuch.
WOW is home of the is-ought fallacy, that is for sure.
drill honey locust doesn’t do jack for your headache. willow however will.
looking forward to eating some of you when the S.H.F. drill you all right so I’ll let you live in my dog lot.
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Are we to imagine that the Unreligious Left do not ‘flip-flop’ on issues?
Perhaps we can be gracious enough to concede that opinions and positions are prone to change based on changes in information and perceptions.
Personally, I don’t see Clinton or Obama as being viable solutions for America, and I am particularly disturbed at the amount of support Obama has found, considering that he speaks volumes and says very little.
I encourage folks to check out:
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 for an eye-opener on the underbelly of Obama.
With all respect to Dr. Dobson’s reluctance to support McCain, which I share, btw, I see no good served by casting a third party vote for a candidate that will not receive enough such votes to hinder the election of a socialist.
Do the right thing – vote Republican.
IHS,
Bruce
http://christiansoldiersonline.org
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James Dobson merely said he was going to vote. He did not support John McCain. You have misrepresented him.
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as someone who actually listens to dr. dobson daily and has done so for years and years and as someone who also watched the hannity interview with dr Dobson….what he said was (Im paraphrasing now)– I have spoken w/ senator McCain and yes, he is pro-life in regards to abortion and stated he would remain so…However, he is in favor of embryonic stem cell research so I still have major concerns re: McCains stance on the sanctity of life…
He then told Hannity speaking for himself and “NOT THE MINISTRY” he will vote but he won’t say for who or if he has even made up his mind. He and his wife are praying on it. Period. end of story re: flip flopping okay! I have heard him talk about this over and over again for years and read his emails and newsletters all the time and NOT once has he gone against his views on the issue of stem cells (EMBRYONIC). Of course McCain supports embryonic stem cells…. he is friends w/Nancy Reagan. Besides he is so old now he may need them too in a year or so.
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World Magazine if wrong to publish criticisims of Dr. Dobson and others on the “Religious Right”. When a person is speaking wholly for themselves as private citizens, they are free to say whatever they wish and change their minds at will. Whoever decided that Christians shouldn’t be involved in politics is nuts! It is our God-given privilege and duty to exercise our right to elect those who closely align with our views.
I have been very disappointed with World Magazine and what they publish about Focus on the Family and Dr. Dobson. You should be ashamed!
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I am a World subscriber and I would like to believe that anyone writing on behalf of World is straightforward and truthful. But, Ms. Harris, your distortions in this piece are quite disturbing. You are welcome to hold an opinion but you have no business distorting and falsely representing a person’s statements in a faulty attempt to bolster your opinion. There is absolutely NO “flip flop” evident in Dr. Dobson’s statements regarding the November ballot. On one occasion Dr. Dobson stated, “If these are the nominees in November, I simply will not cast a ballot for president for the first time in my life” and on a subsequent occasion stated, “I will certainly vote… there are all of the candidates and the issues down the ballot that we have an obligation to weigh in on and let our voices be heard.” Where, I ask you, is the “flip-flop?” An accurate, logical interpretation is quite simple; one can certainly exercise his or her responsibility to vote without having to mark a checkbox for every contested seat or referendum on a ballot. Thus, no contradiction. Is that difficult to comprehend? Oh, but what do I know…I’m only a math professor who applies logical argument each and every day.
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Alisa –
What knowledge are you ‘really’ trying to impart to us, since you feel you are on the cutting edge of political news?
Don’t forget even for a moment that many of us have access to the news before it hits the streets. You are talking about the news, you aren’t telling us anything we don’t already know. What is ‘telling’ is your not giving YOUR views-
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Readers —
Focus on the Family is sending me their response to the situation today. I’ll be posting it as an “Update” within the article, so check back soon to read it. It’s difficult to capture the nuances and complexity of a situation like this in a short article, so hopefully their response will shed more light on the situation. It’s always my goal to write with accuracy, so if I misrepresented or inadvertently twisted anything, I apologize in advance.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME! I have always thought World mag. tried to give news where there was news. I read up on the articles this flip-flop one cites, and she is all over the place! Reaching! Trying to make a leader in our christian community look bad for shock effect. How about leaving the trash to the trash magazines, and give us something a little more truthful to read about
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I am sure they are responding to this article. “Misrepresented or inadvertently twisted…..” Hummm I wonder how many people will take the time to look at the articles cited here and see how accurate your representation of Dr Dobson is. He hasn’t flip flopped. You just wanted a good shock story – so you made it up.
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Mrs. Harris,
I believe that you need to get your facts straight before you make alligations. Actually what Dr. Dobson said was that he would indeed vote for a candidate in November, but he gave no indication of who he would vote. Do not accuse him of flip-flopping when your not getting your facts correct. One thing that we (Religious Right) are sure of. We stand for the sanctity of human life and what is right and true.
Sincerely,
Mrs. Reese
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Thank you, Alisa, for posting this. I respect your objectivity and fairness. I also pretty much agree with Gary Schneeberger.
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PLEASE NOTE: This from citizenlink.org
Top Story
April 11, 2008
Commentary: No Flip-Flopping Here
by Gary Schneeberger, vice president
Dr. Dobson is no stranger to criticism, but allegations that he’s wobbled on his standards for selecting a president are simply untrue.
Part of my job involves keeping track of mentions of Focus on the Family and Dr. James Dobson in the media. As you might imagine, with the explosion of the blogosphere, Google alerts letting me know the ministry or the man who founded it have been named in someone’s writings fly into my inbox at roughly the speed of a space shuttle.
Many are positive, many are critical — and most come from blogs with probably no more than a few hundred readers. My reaction in most cases, even the most vicious attacks, is, “Well, everybody’s entitled to an opinion.” But no one is entitled to gerrymander the facts to reach that opinion.
That appears to be what happened in a recent post on the Web site of World magazine titled Religious Right flip-flops. The thesis of blogger Alisa Harris’ commentary is faulty — which might explain why many of her facts are, too. Central to her analysis is that socially conservative evangelicals — that’s “Religious Right” if you’re playing the secular media’s name game — all fit snugly under a single tent; problem is, that never has been accurate. Our movement is a vast and varied one — from political insiders who see pragmatism as the best way to effect long-term change, to more prophetic voices whose allegiance is to principles — not candidates, political parties or even election results.
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Lynn07 and Mdser: While it is a nice idea to think that Dr. James Dobson can speak as a private citizen, that belief is incredibly naive. A realistic individual will realize it is virtually impossible to separate the voice of James Dobson and the voice of Focus on the Family because of Dr. Dobson’s long-term leadership. Dr. Dobson would be foolish to think his words do not reflect on Focus, even though he tries to make that distinction.
Mayminque and Butterfly29: Where do you see Ms. Harris saying Dr. Dobson would vote for Senator McCain? All she stated was that Dr. Dobson is on record as saying both that he wouldn’t vote and later that he would. She has not misrepresented this, because she didn’t say that Dobson would vote for McCain.
It is obviously detrimental to discussion when commentors put words into the mouth of the author.
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JesusIsMyBf
You might try reading AGAIN carefully, what has been written, and my post #38. This will give you a better picture of what has and hasn’t been said.
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Readers:
I stand corrected in characterizing Dr. Dobson’s comments, saying that he will vote in November, as implying that he will vote for Sen. John McCain. It wasn’t my intention to misrepresent his position in any way, and I’m very sorry for any damage this has caused.
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Alisa,
It would be good if you put the link on this thread back to the same link it was before.
When accessing the article and then clicking on “recent post on the Web site of World magazine” in the article post #38 it shows “Error 404 – Not Found”-
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Here is the rest of the article:
PLEASE NOTE: This from citizenlink.org
Top Story
April 11, 2008
Commentary: No Flip-Flopping Here
by Gary Schneeberger, vice president
It is into this second camp that Dr. Dobson falls. Ms. Harris accuses him, quite incorrectly, of “flip-flopping” on the standards that will guide his ballot-casting this November. The truth? Dr. Dobson made it clear, speaking as a private citizen from as early as January 2007, that he could not support Sen. John McCain’s candidacy. He said the same of the candidacies of Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson later last year. He also said, as Ms. Harris notes, he would vote for a third-party candidate if both major parties nominated standard-bearers not committed to the sanctity of human life. That commitment to not cast a ballot for someone who would end preborn life has not wobbled one whit: certainly not in Dr. Dobson’s indication he could vote for either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, the two candidates who unapologetically championed the pro-life cause; or in his endorsement in February of Gov. Huckabee, still in the race at the time.
More disturbing, though, is Ms. Harris’ statement that Dr. Dobson remains unhappy even though the GOP, in McCain, has anointed someone with an “unimpeachable pro-life voting record.” That is patently untrue. Sen. McCain led the charge in the Senate on two bills that would have allocated federal money for lab experiments on human embryos — tiny human lives that would have been killed after the tests were done. Thankfully, President Bush understood that you can’t call yourself pro-life and abide the slaughter of nascent human beings in the name of suspect science. He vetoed the immoral legislation, knowing it would lead to cloning. Dr. Dobson agrees with the president’s position, which is one of the reasons he is “still not happy” with the GOP’s ’08 nominee.
Still, Ms. Harris goes on to say Dr. Dobson recently told Sean Hannity he would vote for Sen. McCain anyway — evidence of yet another apparent flip-flop. In truth, what Dr. Dobson said on Hannity’s America a few weeks ago was that he certainly would vote, but gave no indication for whom, emphasizing the importance of the candidates and issues down the ballot and expressing his belief that we have a God-given responsibility to let our voices be heard. Again, there is nothing inconsistent in these pronouncements.
Dr. Dobson has spent 35 years “in the arena,” as Theodore Roosevelt said, defending the value of all human life and the importance of traditional marriage as a building block of society. He’s taken his fair share of hits from the media (even the Christian media, including World) for the stands he’s taken. Those positions spring not from expediency, but from conscience and principle. It is an honor to serve such a man, because he is the antithesis of a flip-flopper. He is guided by deeply held biblical convictions — and is unafraid to defend his beliefs against those who would mock or misrepresent them.
Gary Schneeberger is vice president of media and public relations for Focus on the Family Action.
(NOTE: Referral to Web sites not produced by Focus on the Family is for informational purposes only and does not necessarily constitute an endorsement of the sites’ content.)
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Victoria:
I had read everything carefully and was completely aware of the contents of post #38 when I made my comment.
I still stand by my original assertion that the article did not provide the supposedly incorrect information so many people are unduly upset about. Dr. Dobson never said he was definitely voting for McCain, and this article didn’t say he definitely was, either.
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JesusIsMyBf
There would be no need for anyone to have responded to the faulty information, nor would Alisa have needed to apologize if there hadn’t been ERROR-
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Victoria: Sometimes people who are more concerned about being gracious than they are about winning an argument will apologize when they are not sure they are wrong … sometimes even when they are sure they are NOT wrong … because their goal is to talk about important things and not to prove how right they are.
I do not expect you to understand this.
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The Dem speaks:
It seems to me that flip or flop, Dobson is wrong. Not backing the one conservative on the field who has even a chance of winning only means that should McCain win, there will be fewer ears in the administration listening to him.
Yes, yes, he wants to be “prophetic.” But isn’t that just another word for exalting the self? I’ve already had my share of “prophets” on the left, even Christian ones, trust me, there’s nothing like some good ol’ fashioned governance to make a difference.
A second issue with the good Doctor: the reason for the battle is not only for the Executive suite, but all whom the Executive may appoint. Tell me again, that there aren’t other issues in other governmental departments that will touch on his concerns?
I think that Dobson knows all this. I think that he has made a calculation that McCain loses — so why be associated with the downfall? (Of course the Dem in me also hopes that he’s playing a Nader card, as well — oh, sweet revenge!)
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Steveg,
You do twist it up!
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JesusIsMyBf
Did you read post #43 which was a continuation of the paper that was issued this morning, posted on #38?
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It’s arrogant to tell people your intended vote, especially if you think it might sway others.
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Dobson and FoF are an absolute joke. A two-sentence response would have done the job. What a bunch of self-important dorks! It is because of groups like FoF that most Americans loathe and distrust evangelicals.
Dear Evvies: Stop sending your money to wing-nuts and your public image will improve markedly.
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Alisa Harris,
Not that it matters, but from where I sit, all is forgiven. I like Dr. Dobson, but the fact is, in some matters such as this (voting or judging on principle), his reasoning *has* been unsophisticated, if not exactly contradictory or flip-floppy. Being predisposed to read his comments that way is not *entirely* unreasonable…but then, I’m a young-earther, so what do I know about reason?
Anyway, WoW is a free service. One can come and go as he pleases. If one wants his pound of flesh, one should look for it in the real world.
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Roger and Kiyoshi,
Arrogance is an over estimate of one’s worth. When a person’s convictions are based on true historical values, and those values help people who are hurting, lonely and afraid, then the fool is one who stands by and says nothing. The hero is the one who lays his life down to help. Dr. Dobson is not in the position he is today as a leader because he exhaulted himself! He is supported by millions of us who heard, saw and felt the effect of his work, and we want nothing more than his voice to be heard. The financial support we provide is out of our desire to want to strengthen the work that we see that produces good wholesome people and families. God blesses that work first. We only come along afterwards to confirm that endorsement.
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Very good post at 53, LCassell. Kudos.
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For those of you criticizing Alisa, it should be noted that she did NOT say Dobson had promised to vote for McCain.
Her actual words: The GOP nominated a candidate with an unimpeachable pro-life voting record, but Dobson still isn’t happy. He backed off his threat to vote third party and said he wouldn’t vote at all this November. Then he changed his mind and said he will vote, despite the fact that McCain supports embryonic stem cell research.
Dobson said he would not vote at all; then he said he would vote. There’s a “flip-flop” (a term I actually don’t like, but it seems to be standard these days), and there is NOT any claim that he would vote for McCain or any other specific candidate.
Reading the article Alisa linked to shows that Dobson’s own words echo what she described his position change as being.
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Yeah – 52
YOU WRITE:…..
“Anyway, WoW is a free service. One can come and go as he pleases. If one wants his pound of flesh, one should look for it in the real world.”
Dr. Dobson has done much to help others. Those who want to transfer their hate and anger might try understanding their own, and why they would even think of – - – - “One can come and go as he pleases. If one wants his pound of flesh, one should look for it in the real world.”
Very strange comment -
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Roger – 50
Do you have proof that anyone has done that?
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Victoria:
Speaking of “anger” and “strange,” and seeing as it’s after 1 AM, you might want to get some sleep.
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DavidSess – 58
I live on the West Coast, its 10:23PM right now. You do understand that the time of posts reflects Eastern time? Well now you know.
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LOL. Touche.
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You know that lie up above, the one oft-repeated, the one about Dr. Dobson being able to endorse candidates and skirt taxes because he speaks as a “private citizen?”
Why, that lie is so oily, it’s downright Clintonian.
It’s always instructive to realize that in the political game, the ones preaching “values” are just as sleazy as the rest.
Well, not as sleazy as the Clintons or the congressional Republicans, because that would be world-record sleazy.
But plenty sleazy.
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Regarding #25
I got a real kick out of that one. I have been somewhat puzzled about the “E” posts myself. Anyway I got a good chuckle this morning. Thanks.
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USC Trojans,
I assume that the IRS allows heads of organizations free speech rights on political issues as long as they don’t use their company’s name, just their own name. If they didn’t allow it, Dobson wouldn’t do it. No, nobody can separate Dobson’s name from Focus on the Family, which is why anyone cares what this “private citizen” has to say. Nevertheless, it’s a legal distinction, so I don’t see why it’s “sleazy.”
In other words, one can probably safely assume that it’s OK with Focus on the Family for Dobson to endorse candidates. Focus might be endorsing candidates organizationally but they can’t legally do so. It’s also OK legally for Dobson to be endorsing candidates. So, he is doing something legal that bothers nobody except those who don’t like Dobson anyway.
Why should an individual person give up his free speech rights just because he is the head of an organization and people might actually listen to him? And at what point should that “gag order” come into effect–when the nonprofit employs more than 50 people? when it makes it onto its fifth radio station?
No, I think free speech is a better idea. And if the government wants to say that Focus on the Family can’t publish brochures with the Focus name on them, endorsing a candidate, and still maintain tax exemption, it’s free to do so. But the government has no business telling people that they can’t speak out once they’re famous and people might actually listen to them. That wouldn’t be free speech.
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#61, BTW, if Dobson is not a “private citizen,” then what is he? I’m fairly sure he isn’t ordained, so one can make the layman/ pastor distinction and he’s a layman. He’s not a politician, and again generally we say “private citizen” for someone who isn’t a politician. Is the issue that he’s well known (which would mean that Britney et al shouldn’t speak out either, because their “private citizen” cards have been revoked too) or that he heads a nonprofit organization–or used to? (He’s not the president of Focus anymore.) Again, I don’t think we want to make those kinds of distinctions on the right of free speech–that man can speak out, because nobody knows him and nobody will listen to him anyway, but that man cannot speak because he’s famous and he might influence somebody.
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Lcassell,
You are certainly free to support whomever you want. And you are free to worship whomever you want. Your veneration of Dr. Dobson might explain why it’s difficult for you to see his statements as arrogant. Be that as it may, they are still arrogant.
If you truly love Dobson you might take him aside and point out the fact that he is in danger of loosing his soul, which is an occupational hazard for all empire builders.
Honest values are the ones you LIVE not the ones you espouse from a radio studio.
As for your hyperbolic reference to a man laying down his life, I would remind you and others that Dobson is by no means indicating that he is laying down anything, let alone his life. And your obvious reference to our what our Lord said makes his statement trite and insignificant as Dobson’s point regards his personal preference for a candidate, not a statement of principle, wisdom, or morality.
His statement has nothing at all to do with those who are “hurting, lonely and afraid”, but rather he is trying to use his power and influence to sway voters, the arrogance of which is found in his prideful and mistaken belief that his opinion is more valuable and righteous than yours or mine.
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Roger
How many books have you read by Dr. James Dobson, and if you have which ones?
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Victoria,
Your question is totally irrelevant, but the answer is none.
I assume you like to read the Bible.
“Then you will begin to say, `We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets ‘; and He will say, `I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’ Luke 13:26-27.
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Roger
I asked you a question, and you respond:
Roger, don’t flatter yourself and try and put words in my mouth or that of the LORD Jesus Christ when you say “Then you will begin to say,” ——– Instead, look at yourself and your life-
Roger, I asked you about the books you had read, and which ones regarding Dr. James Dobson and you answer with this post?
Dr. James Dobson is a good man. Because you want to find fault with him and then use the passage in Luke as my demise only shows how little you understand the Word of God.
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Victoria,
Whether Dr. Dobson is a good man or not makes no difference to the question of whether his statements were arrogant. Your statements concerning Dr. Dobson’s books and his character are irrelevant. Any man who announces his preference of a candidate in order to influence his followers is displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth and self-importance.
Do you see that or not?
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I wouldn’t be too apologetic Alisa. You may have misconstrued one of the facts, but the essence of your article is on the mark. Dr. Dobson and his (emphasis) organization have delved much too far into the political arena and we are now seeing the ill effects through the misleading of millions of believers. There is a reason Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. We may pray for our leaders (whom God has appointed), pray for our country and continue our work in our families, neighborhood, and nation to help bring about the redemption of God’s creation. But, to “tax” fellow Christians in order to promote an individual’s political agenda (no matter how noble he and his organization may think it to be), is by all accounts wrong through my reading of the Bible. It borders on the Pharisiacal and I think Jesus referred to them in not too gracious of terms.
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Roger, your comment in post 67 left you with zero credibility.
Dr. Dobson has the right to make comments as to who he prefers as a candidate. Everyone in this country, no matter who they are have ‘FREEDOM of SPEECH’ we don’t lose that right under any circumstance, no matter who we are.
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Re #49: Yes, I had read the entire rebuttal from FoF before I made the original comment that I still stand by.
Christian brotherhood is about unity, not about being “right” – especially not “more right” than other Christians! I am especially bothered by the last paragraph of the rebuttal, which strikes me as very self-righteous and holier-than-thou. The discussion of Dobson’s defense of biblical principles turns the argument into a new corner by implying WoW was attacking these biblical principles. Did we need to go there? Really? Does FoF have a monopoly on correctly interpreted biblical principles?
Writers at FoF would have been much wiser to make deep breaths and the “backspace” key the main instruments of their response. What did FoF need to prove with their long response? What is it covering up?
# 51 said it best: A two-sentence response would have done the job!
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– 72 –
YOU WRITE:…..
“Christian brotherhood is about unity, not about being “right” – especially not “more right” than other Christians! I am especially bothered by the last paragraph of the rebuttal, which strikes me as very self-righteous and holier-than-thou. The discussion of Dobson’s defense of biblical principles turns the argument into a new corner by implying WoW was attacking these biblical principles. Did we need to go there? Really? Does FoF have a monopoly on correctly interpreted biblical principles”
“Christian brotherhood is not about unity if one person is being made a spectacle and admonished as to who they have said they will support during an election. The idea that all so called ‘Christians’ are to be about ‘unity’ is a misnomer – I am not unified with every person who claims to be a ‘Christian’ – many people have no idea what being a Believer is, nor do they believe the Bible to be true, however they ’say they are Christians’ – I think you get the idea-
There is nothing wrong with believing yourself to be right, after all, you believe you are right, so does that make you “very self-righteous and holier-than-thou.” ?
Many people are very envious of Dr. Dobson, the books he has written, the help he has offered to parents, his dedication as a Christian. There will always be those who attack a man like Dr. Dobson, or Billy Graham and many others who have been outstanding leaders in the Christian community. It’s this jealousy which many suffer from, that’s why they lash out.
The statement you refer to, made by Gary Schneeberger:
If this causes you to make such a remark against him, as ” I am especially bothered by the last paragraph of the rebuttal, which strikes me as very self-righteous and holier-than-thou.” – it is your problem to deal with.
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Victoria — Roger, your comment in post 67 left you with zero credibility.
Dr. Dobson has the right to make comments as to who he prefers as a candidate. Everyone in this country, no matter who they are have ‘FREEDOM of SPEECH’ we don’t lose that right under any circumstance, no matter who we are.
Roger — Did I say Dr. Dobson had no RIGHT to speak? No, I certainly did not. I agree, everyone has freedom of speech in our country. Dr. Dobson has the right to speak his mind concerning the government and those who lead us.
Again, whether Dr. Dobson has the right to speak or not, is not the issue. The content of his freely spoken statement was arrogant or it wasn’t. This has nothing to do with his moral character, his writings, or his right to speak.
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Have a nice day Roger!
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