Dembski is not a scientist. Never has been. calls himself a theologian and a mathematician, although we have caught him calling himself a scientists to some church groups, he generally does not refer to himself in this way.

Behe hasn’t published in years. WAS a scientist.
Gonzalez, same. couldn’t graduate a student the whole time he was at ISU. that makes those emails irrelevant, doesn’t it?

4th, you shouldn’t comment if you don’t know what you are talking about. i’ve been following the movie, I know what it says.

send me a free ticket, and I’ll go watch this dog. otherwise, maybe they’ll be showing it to my youth group in the church basement some wednesday night. rofl.

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Second, if you had, you would have seen evolutionists classifying IDers as non-scientists.

Third, check out this link: http://lamp.iowastatedaily.com/ID_EMail.PDF

Fourth,
I’m not commenting further to anyone who hasn’t followed the request of seeing the movie. I apologize to Mickey for having done so.

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take Gonzalez, poster child for Expelled. After he started drinking the ID kool-aid, his scientific output plummeted to next to nothing. it’s a matter of record, the correlation between his involvement in DI and the staggering decline in his scientific work is 1:1. if Gonzalez had continued to do science, graduate students, publish papers, contribute to his field, he would have made tenure. As it is, he just started hanging around with a bad crowd and that sort of thing rubs off on you.

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You put science in quotes, said science is “not a strong suit for IDers”, etc.

Didn’t you pretty much just label IDers as non-scientists and disqualify them from the debate?

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#51? nothing was said that darwinism leads to nazis and using unethical tactics to shut down supporters of intelligent design creationism? are you serious? Who said that science proved there was no god? what are you on about anyway.

Mike, you are almost there. you need to think long and hard about this ‘valid perspective’ issue, perhaps you will understand why whining about persecution when 1) it is not true and 2) you have not done anything worthwhile anyway (see my link above) is not a valid perspective. The rest of what you say is as much nonsense as the movie. No one has been Expelled.

Michael Martin drooled: et today’s evolutionary community habitually labels anyone with a design or creationist perspective as a non-scientist and therefore disqualified from the debate and even from employment.

Provide some evidence. I think you are lying.

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One can be serious about the message and still make a joke about it. Here’s a rather lame comparison: My first book has a gorgeous cover. When I’d give the book to friends, invariably they’d spend a lot of time admiring the cover. So I’d say something like, “Yep, I didn’t have anything to do with the cover, so I can’t take credit for it, but it is probably the best part of the whole book. Probably some people will buy it for the cover, cut it off, throw the book away, and frame the cover.” Did I really think the book was worthless (or did Stein really believe the movie should be watched when one is high)? No. It’s just a bit of self-deprecating humor.

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I did, however, wonder why he was being so irreverent and dismissive toward his film if he really believes the actual theme. Why would you say your movie “is best viewed while high” if you are really serious about the message?

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Much of what Stein says, that you are critical of, is tongue-in-cheek humor. But you would have no way of understanding that since you haven’t bothered to go see the movie.

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Riiiiiight.

I think Stein made the movie while high.

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He said the thesis of the movie is (and I am quoting this verbatim): “Darwinism doesn’t explain gravity, Darwinism doesn’t explain the Laws of Thermodynamics, Darwinism doesn’t explain why some joints are better than so many other joints … we don’t want people to be fired if they say the planets stay in their orbits maybe by something other than Darwinism. We don’t think Darwin explained how the planets stay in their orbits.”

OK then.

He also said the movie is “probably best watched while high.” I think I will agree with him there.

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