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In honor of my sister’s wedding, today’s quote is about marriage: “A successful marriage is one in which you fall in love many times, always with the same person.”
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D. W. McLaughlin
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“It is not your love that sustains the marriage, but from now on, the marriage that sustains your love.” (Dietrich Bonhoeffer, writing to a young bride and group from his prison cell in Nazi Germany in 1943)
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I see on Drudge where some Ayatollas in Iran say that Iran should be a world superpower and defend, not only Iran, but the rest of the Muslem world.
It seems strange that a nation that has to buy or steal all of it’s technology should have delusions of grandeur.
But China is doing it, and it appears to be working.
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I just read through the “Expelled” thread, and I am very intrigued by this movie. I have not heard it reviewed on television.
I also visited the Volokh Conspiracy today and found a post about John Yoo, the DOJ lawyer who wrote the “torture” memos. He is up for tenure. In that same post, it was mentioned that an international law lawyer was denied a job because the other professors (lawyers) opposed him because his views were too “conservative.” Just another example of the liberals controlling academia. Just another example of liberal intolerance.
I read before, Chas, that Ahmadinejad says they aren’t getting fair market value for their oil either.
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Good Morning all…I am off to work soon.
Mumsee: Good for you. I am so glad you had a great evening.
Karen O: No I didn’t know salvia was a drug. This is blue salvia not red. Does that make a difference?
Victoria: Are you sure you aren’t a closet Southern Belle? I love, love, love strappy high heeled sandals. I got the greatest pair at Ann Taylor the other day on sale which is all my budget will allow right now. I think I might just wear them to work today!!!
Everyone else: I was so excited to go look out my front door this morning at my pretty flowers. I have the back door open and the birds are chirping. It is a great morning.
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NJLAwyer: Are you saying (and it’s not clear whether you are) that if liberals were not so intolerant, lawyers who defend torture would fare better in the tenure system?
I also have been reading the Expelled thread, and finding it sad that the movie is apparently spreading the same anti-Darwin propaganda that’s been going on for fifty years or more, and there is a certain audience waiting to swallow it whole.
I’d say so in the thread, but I’m respecting the request that only people who have seen the film comment on it there.
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Do any of you watch Steven Colbert. I caught re-runs this week of Hillary, Obama, John Edwards, and Michelle Obama. If nothing else, as he said she is very Jackiesque.
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I have heard that about Salvia also. My parents had commercial greenhouses and we had never heard that. It is a nice flower to grow, but I guess there are a lot of different flowers to grow.
Kim: I envy you your flowers growing when I still see snow and the ravages of winter out my door. We need a good rain to wash away the dirt accumulated over the winter and to green everything up. At the same time, my daughter in TN was not happy with the insects finding their way into her home lately. There is always a trade off, I guess.
I like this quote and find it to be true. The love at this stage of my marriage is so much stronger than what we started with. When you keep falling in love, it grows stronger and deeper.
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Remember those “Separated at Birth?” photos? I thought of them yesterday as I read an exchange between TJ and Ivan the Terrible. I may have to add Samuel today.
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Samuel wins. And I happen to know that he prefers a Pepsi. Here you go, Sam:
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No, SteveG, I am not. I’m not really commenting on John Yoo at all, he’ll survive, but rather the OTHER job situation mentioned in that thread. (I mentioned John Yoo only to identify which thread if you wanted to read it.) What I am saying is that I am surprised — well, maybe not so much — that lawyers, supposedly educated people, who are also teachers in this situation, don’t want the competition of ideas in their school. We’re not dealing with little impressionable school children here. Liberals are always calling conservatives “intolerant,” yet here is another situation in graduate education, where they just don’t want to be opposed. It’s the liberal way or the highway. This guy’s work isn’t about God or religion at all — yet there the liberals go literally denying someone a job because he has a competing idea simply because it is conservative. Liberals shouldn’t be proud of that, and if liberals were who/what they say they are, they’d be outraged. But they’re not. Just think about it for awhile.
I haven’t seen the movie Expelled yet, but I take it Mr. Stein has made a similar type of comment regarding the scientists. Now, I’m listening to their idea that aliens seeded the earth, they can listen to the ID people that God did. It’s only fair. The truth will ultimately prevail. Apparently, Tom Cruise and John Travolta believe they are “homo-novis” — a new species — and they are here on earth to assist the planet when the aliens come back or some such thing, so the pro-Darwin scientists are in good company, no?
I would urge you to see the film. Is Ben Stein right to say there is a parallel between Hitler’s genocide and abortion? Both come out of the eugenics movement of the 1930s. Hitler was outright in what he was doing — get rid of anyone “imperfect,” anything that didn’t fit into society as he saw it. Isn’t that what abortion does? Isn’t that what Peter Singer advocates? Isn’t that what euthanasia proponents want?
The devil did a lot of damage with Mr. Hitler, but he wasn’t subtle. The foregoing movements I have noted, those that foster the “culture of death” are far more subtle; the don’t shock the conscience the way the train tracks do. And I suspect that’s what Mr. Stein is trying to say. That our consciences should be shocked.
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Don’t know if I will make it back to day with heavy snow falling and another two hours before departure. That could change of course, but keep in mind I still have a fifteen mile drive on a dirt road cliff face to get there and the same back again. Driving it with snow on the road can be “challenging” though I think the county put the snow plows away for the year so that won’t be a problem. Snappy pink heels and capris are fine, Victoria, I will be delighted to sit with you and I won’t be the least bit embarassed. You might find trudging through the snow a bit chilly though, if we get stuck.
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Those of you who believe that anyone who questions Darwin will be “expelled,” please consider this:
A final leitmotif running through Expelled is inscribed in chalk by Stein in repetitive lines on a classroom blackboard: “Do not question Darwinism.” Anyone who thinks that scientists do not question Darwinism has never been to an evolutionary conference. At the World Summit on Evolution held in the Galapagos Islands during June 2005, for example, I witnessed a scientific theory rich in controversy and disputation. Paleontologist William Schopf of the University of California, Los Angeles, for instance, explained that “We know the overall sequence of life’s origin, that the origin of life was early, microbial and unicellular, and that an RNA world preceded today’s DNA-protein world.” He openly admitted, however, “We do not know the precise environments of the early earth in which these events occurred; we do not know the exact chemistry of some of the important chemical reactions that led to life; and we do not have any knowledge of life in a pre-RNA world.” Stanford University biologist Joan Roughgarden declared that Darwin’s theory of sexual selection (a specific type of natural selection) is wrong in its claim that females choose mates who are more attractive and well-armed. Calling neo-Darwinians “bullies,” the University of Massachusetts biologist Lynn Margulis pronounced that “neo-Darwinism is dead” and, echoing Darwin, she said, “It was like confessing a murder when I discovered I was not a neo-Darwinist.” Why? Because, Margulis explained, “Random changes in DNA alone do not lead to speciation. Symbiogenesis — the appearance of new behaviors, tissues, organs, organ systems, physiologies, or species as a result of symbiont interaction — is the major source of evolutionary novelty in eukaryotes: animals, plants, and fungi.” Finally, Cornell University evolutionary theorist William Provine (featured in Expelled) presented 11 problems with evolutionary theory, including: “Natural selection does not shape an adaptation or cause a gene to spread over a population or really do anything at all. It is instead the result of specific causes: hereditary changes, developmental causes, ecological causes, and demography. Natural Selection is the result of these causes, not a cause that is by itself. It is not a mechanism.”
Despite this public questioning of Darwinism (and neo-Darwinism), which I reported on in Scientific American [“Rumsfeld’s Wisdom,” Skeptic, by Michael Shermer; Scientific American, September 2005], Schopf, Roughgarden, Margulis and Provine have not been persecuted, shunned, fired or even expelled. Why? Because they are doing science, not religion. It is perfectly okay to question Darwinism (or any other ism in science), as long as there is a way to test your challenge. Intelligent Design creationists, by contrast, have no interest in doing science at all.
(From Michael Shermer’s review.
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NJLawyer at #11: I would urge you to see the film. Is Ben Stein right to say there is a parallel between Hitler’s genocide and abortion? Both come out of the eugenics movement of the 1930s. Hitler was outright in what he was doing — get rid of anyone “imperfect,” anything that didn’t fit into society as he saw it. Isn’t that what abortion does? Isn’t that what Peter Singer advocates? Isn’t that what euthanasia proponents want?
The comparison is not even close, but the assumption that it is is typical.
Abortion (on which I reluctantly support choice but am not at all a fan of) is about the woman’s right to choose whether to bring a pregnancy to term. Euthanasia — if by that you mean, allowing the terminally ill to choose the time and manner of death — is about autonomy and dignity.
Hitler’s ambitions were about his government controlling the destinies of millions, NOT about personal choice.
How can a rational person even begin to think they are remotely similar cases? Also, I would remind you, abortion was legal in the US until the late 19th Century … that is, long before Darwin.
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Mumsee: I don’t know where you’re going, nor what you’re going to do. But it seems to me that you shouldn’t. I know the temptation to do it anyhow.
During most of my career, when I got up in the morning and saw snow on the ground, I asked myself, “Can I make it?” If so, I went. Later, I asked myself, “Is it smart?”
Just don’t do something you shouldn’t. (I almost said “something stupid”, but Mumsee wouldn’t do something stupid.)
Those kids need you and we do too.
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A couple of days ago, I noticed on the Weather Channel that it was warmer in northern Idaho than in western NC.
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NJLAwyer at #11: No, SteveG, I am not. I’m not really commenting on John Yoo at all, he’ll survive, but rather the OTHER job situation mentioned in that thread. (I mentioned John Yoo only to identify which thread if you wanted to read it.) What I am saying is that I am surprised — well, maybe not so much — that lawyers, supposedly educated people, who are also teachers in this situation, don’t want the competition of ideas in their school. We’re not dealing with little impressionable school children here. Liberals are always calling conservatives “intolerant,” yet here is another situation in graduate education, where they just don’t want to be opposed. It’s the liberal way or the highway. This guy’s work isn’t about God or religion at all — yet there the liberals go literally denying someone a job because he has a competing idea simply because it is conservative. Liberals shouldn’t be proud of that, and if liberals were who/what they say they are, they’d be outraged. But they’re not. Just think about it for awhile.
Well, there are two other cases mentioned in that Volokh post, but one was directly connected to Yoo, so I assume that’s not the one you mean.
The other is Lino Graglia, a law professor at the University of Texas. It’s interesting that the Volokh Conspiracy characterizes him as someone who “uttered what some deemed ‘insensitive’ or ‘offensive’ remarks relating to affirmative action.” But when you click the link to read the article, we find that what he actually said was:
“Blacks and Mexican-Americans can’t compete academically with whites.”
OK then.
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SteveG, “The comparison is not even close, but the assumption that it is is typical.”
There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see. You are missing the point about the “culture of death.” What Hitler did was so blatantly wrong it shocked everyone. What abortion does, couched in “choice” verbiage is the same thing prettied up; so does euthanasia. If Peter Singer prevails, an imperfectly born child doesn’t stand a chance — in fact, he would allow a perfect newborn baby to be killed if the mother didn’t want it.
How can a rational thinking person embrace killing the innocent and infirm?
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And SteveG, don’t ignore the issue of the liberal professors either.
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Peter Singer is one person with a really extreme opinion. I don’t care about him.
Questions more at the edges are more difficult. Should someone who is in great pain from cancer and sure to die in no more than a few weeks obligated to endure the pain until the very end? Or can they gather their loved ones around them and pass from the Earth surrounded by them, being able to choose the time? You would deny them the comfort of dying surrounded by the family and closest friends on the argument that they’re obligated to live to the last possible moment?
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Kim and Chas,
The problem is that I spend most of my life being totally selfish. My ideal life is working on my little acreage indoors or out, working with the animals, chatting with the neighbors, going to church, etc. It is easy for me to say “I saw a snowflake, better stay home! (YES!)” So I have to weigh whether it is my selfish side saying to stay home or my wise side. Right now, the snow is not really sticking on the road so the grade should be fine. I am keeping an eye on it though, thanks for the reminder. Yes, it is definitely spring, warm and sunny one day, several inches of snow the next, maybe the daffodils will begin to open tomorrow.
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SteveG, is there no slippery slope you won’t slide down on? I’ve had many, many relatives die from cancer (among other slow deaths). For example, my uncle died at home and morphine was administered until he died. His family was all around him. He was not in pain. He was not aware of pain. (I also know of a man who had cancer who consciously did to himself what was done to Terri Schaivo. It took him two weeks to die. His son couldn’t watch it, but that was HIS very active decision. His son would have liked more time.)
You may not care about the Peter Singers of the world, but inasmuch as he is a professor at Princeton and has the opportunity to “teach” his perverted views to young people, I do.
Death, for many, is not a pretty thing, whether from cancer or Alzheimers or Parkinsons, etc. The body fails. It’s not fun to watch, but what we do is provide the best care we can, make them comfortable, keep them clean, manage the pain, if there is any. We don’t actively KILL people.
But if that’s what you want, if you want to kill people because they serve no useful purpose, don’t oppose the death penalty — because those people are pretty darn useless and a real drain on society, and they’re guilty to boot. As long as you’re sliding down the slope, …..
I will answer you later tonight. I have to get ready for Passover. I have the kosher wine from Israel, and my other job is to get flowers. No one trusts me with the matzoh balls, etc. My Christian oven has not been blowtorched. But do answer me about those professors!
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But if that’s what you want, if you want to kill people because they serve no useful purpose,
See, this is why these issues are so hard to discuss. That’s not what I said at all, not even close, but you insist on mischaracterizing my position in this way.
I’ll defend what I said, but I am not about to try to defend a position you assign to me when it’s not my real one.
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But do answer me about those professors!
See #17.
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Snow is letting up and melting off, time to hit the road and find out what all the hullabaloo is about on these women retreat thingeys. Hope that singer will go easier on us but I will be looking for meat in the message more than trying to figure out the music. No heels today either, I am thinking snow boots.
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SteveG,
Also, I would remind you, abortion was legal in the US until the late 19th Century … that is, long before Darwin.
Have your read Marvin Olasky’s Abortion Rites: A Social History of Abortion in America? He lists several cases of men and women tried and convicted for abortion as early as 1652. The men were generally the ones on trial, but often included midwives as well (for providing the herbs, etc.)
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I hope we conservatives don’t change the subject when we are about to lose an argument.
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I just discovered that Expelled is playing locally (well, in the city 15 miles down-river). I thought I would have to go 90+ miles to see it!
mumsee- my thoughts on going somewhere in a snowstorm: If God wants me there, than in His sovereign will I will arrive safely. If not, then I would not make it on a sunny day!
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Oops! I better correct “than in His sovereign will” to “then etc.” before Victoria sees it!
Hey Vic- I think stomping on toes with high heels would hurt more than your psuedo-scepter on the head!
(Just trying to lighten up this thread. It is Saturday, after all!)
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Peter L, Not only that, but it’s a rainy Saturday without a football or basketball game. To my book,now.
Thankful for the rain.
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Peter, my high heels aren’t used for ’stomping’–
Don’t even ‘think’ that my BONG is a scepter, or there is anything about it which could be called “psuedo” …. you also misspelled the word, it should be ‘pseudo’ -
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Well EXCUSE ME, post 31 should have been directed to Chas not Peter. I have no idea how I could have made the mistake.
I apologize Peter
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Victoria, how about apologizing to me?
I believe Mumsee is the only person I’ve directly addressed on this particurlar thread.
Since the meditation for the day is I Cor. 13, I can’t be angry, and it lasts all weekend. But wait ’till Monday.
And a blushing red face doesn’t do it.
As I mentioned concerning Lynn’s sickness, we need a redheart emoticon here.
For this, I need a broken redheart.
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Chas,
I thought mixing the posts would wake you up, and here you are.
OK, I apologize for my nasty trick, but just this once.
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Wow, Victoria apologizing! And to think i actually was the one who mentioned her high heeled shoes!
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I am here, with a broken heart. I have been terribly wronged and may never get over it.
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Be careful Peter, I might have to use my high heels and my silver BONG with a gold ball on the end with a silk cord and tassel, hanging from my wrist at ALL TIMES, with an alarm attached.
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Chas, you poor thing!
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“The love at this stage of my marriage is so much stronger than what we started with. When you keep falling in love, it grows stronger and deeper.”
KI – And doesn’t it seem that it is going through the tough times together that makes marital love grow stronger?
Kim – I didn’t know there were different colors. My pastor’s wife grows it, too, & was surprised to learn it is a drug.
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Hi Kim,
No I’m not a “closet Southern Belle” but I do love high heels. Everyone’s wearing them here, with skirts, pants and capris. I even bought a pair of ‘hot pink’ ones to wear with all my white clothes. I love wearing white clothes in the spring/summer.
What color did you purchase?
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Mumsee, I just saw your post….
“Snappy pink heels and capris are fine, Victoria, I will be delighted to sit with you and I won’t be the least bit embarassed. You might find trudging through the snow a bit chilly though, if we get stuck.”
OH… I think I’ll bring a pair of boots just in case. Snow in mid-April, … I hope it warms up.
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Victoria – As a woman with short legs, I wish I could wear heels. Unfortunately, they kill my feet! I do have a pair I wear only very occasionally if my husband & I go out to a nice restaurant for dinner (where I’ll be sitting most of the time). But we can’t afford to do that too often. (It’s probably been a couple years since I’ve had a chance to wear them.)
For church, where I stand a lot, I wear nice-looking flats, kinda a ballet-slipper style.
White clothes? I stay away from white cuz they’re hard to keep spotless.
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Karen, flats are in style too. So many to chose from, I have some and love wearing them.
As far as the white thing. I buy things which can be laundered in the machine, using cold water. I take them out, leave them in the dryer for a few minutes, then hang to dry. It doesn’t take long and enables me to wear white almost all the time. White makes me look tanner. I use fake tan because I don’t want to sit in the sun any longer, plus I have to many things to do.
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Karen, you probably know this but the chunky heels are in too, just about any heel is in, not just the spiky ones. Do you like the wedge’s, there are the best, the most comfortable I have.
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SHOULD BE: “they are the best”
I don’t want to be hit with my own BONG for a spelling error.
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Er, excuse me, Victoria, it should also be that you have too many things to do.
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Mumsee, Hope you have a good time at the “retreat thing-y”. As someone who also struggles with attending those kind of things (but often ends up speaking at them), I sympathize with the reluctance.
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Victoria, I got the black reptiley strappy ones because the were on sale and my size was sold out in the hot pink.
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Ajisuun, well aren’t you just the little ‘watchdog’ today. You could have ignored that small error, but NO, you couldn’t wait to show off a small flaw.
I type too fast, and I pay for it with the too, two and to.
Do you know how hard it is when you type too fast?
Do you see the difficulty in two many errors?
Maybe I should post “I have too/to/two many projects today” that should take care of the problem.
Or, did you ever consider to many posters giving me a bad time, so that I am forced to use my BONG?
Think about it? Ajisuun, this is one tough job while Lynn in on ’sick leave’ – I bet she will have that ’scepter’ in full BOPPING order when she returns. My list is almost complete, and make no mistake you have been counted very near the top, with Chas and Peter L.
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Kim, I love reptile. Black goes with almost everything.
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BTW, Victoria: I don’t think I remember anyone appointing anyone else in charge of bonking (I believe that is the word Lynn uses) while our beloved Benevolent Dictator is ill. I am sure if she had a sister or brother, she would have appointed her/him, as another famous (but not benevolent) dictator did recently.
(Aside to the rest of the gang, hoping V doesn’t hear): Does Victoria remind you of that other dictator? She’s not Cuban, is she?
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Post 51 is an effort to get to the top of a certain list around here. Having the GOLD STAR may have prevented that from happening!
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I oh so wish I could have gotten the hot pink ones.
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Peter L
There was obviously a ‘gap’ in the ‘out of hand’ situation I observed on this blog. It certainly was not Lynn’s fault, she has worked tirelessly to keep this unruly bunch in line, who knows what would have happened if Make it Man hadn’t presented her with the ’scepter’ –
I took upon myself the extraordinary task of keeping those who are ‘nasty little posters’ in line, taking names, giving out warnings, taking notes, and BONGING those who couldn’t fall in line. I felt it my duty to WoW, and I did it with only the blog’s best interest at heart.
You received two GOLD STARS, however you have turned into a one of the worst, you will now be right on the top, along with Chas and Ajisuun. SHAME on the three of you.
We should have been planning a ‘WELCOME HOME PARTY’ for Lynn, but instead there is a group who can’t cooperate long enough to plan anything.
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Kim, check back with the store, someone might have returned them realizing they didn’t fit. With sales beginning soon, you might find another style on ’sale’-
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OK, there’s a problem. I just checked and my brand new pink strappy high heels are missing. Musmsee couldn’t find her heels, isn’t that interesting, I just wonder………..
SNOW, she could have slipped them on even if it was snowing, just carry them into the building in a bag.
If anyone see’s someone wandering around on a snowy path to their car in pink high heels, grap her.
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Victoria,
Did I not mention boots? I did not take your pink strappies, I wore those fine Italian leather boots daughter and I picked up when we took a few days in Venezia. Though you might want to check Kim’s closet, she seemed quite interested in them last I heard.
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Mumsee, I hadn’t thought of that, Kim was very upset over not getting ‘pink strappy heels’ I hope you are wrong.
Did you keep your boots on the WHOLE TIME?
How was the seminar?
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Victoria,
Yes, I did. The seminar was fine, the people friendly as always, but when I got home and upon reflection, I cannot say that what I gained or contributed was worth the time lost around here or the sixty miles of driving. The same info was obtainable and more my learning style in book form. I do not feel I learned anything new other than it is okay to leave the room when the music is unbearable. As mentioned, the singer had a good voice and I really did try to go with it but the volume and the way she sang was too chaotic for me.
The speaker did mention that it is important to do the work God gives one. And, as we know, my area is with the children He gives me. I am glad I went but do not foresee repeating the experiment, at least not at this very busy time of year. Not to say it won’t happen again as time permits, but I did not think it the best use of time. Perhaps some of the teaching will grow on me as I ponder it over coming days and discuss it with fellow attendees. Thanks for the encouragement to give it a whirl.
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High heels:
I have a few pair that I can still wear, they can really look elegant with the right outfit.
But, they are hard on the knees and hips.
I bought Dansko’s sandals a few years back, and they are wonderfully comfortable and practical.
But, they’re ruining me for high heels. Now, I’m aware of how high heels knock me out of alignment, and cause hip and knee pain.
I think they look great, and nothing else will do for evening. But, I’m afraid (not really) that I’m going the way of JJill.
Fun topic.
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I hope nobody tells Victoria that I’m the one who “borrowed” her strappy pink sandals.
I’ve been toddling around my house wearing them, with my own white capris (yes, I do have a pair of white capris I’d forgotten about), & trying to look sexy.
My hubby hasn’t noticed. He just wonders why I’m walking so funny.
And I even shaved my legs!
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Yesterday I actually wore a DRESS!!!! I have run aroung in skirts and tops or capris or pants for so long it was kind of weird. Everyone complimented me on how good I looked and the dress ended right at my knees. I had forgotten what my legs really looked like. Not bad in those strappy high heeled sandals. Thanks Victoria.
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Mummsee, Glad you returned safely with the snow in you area. Even though you were not thrilled with your experience there, you may have encouraged someone in need. We may never know.
There will be no high heels, sandals, or capris in Montana this morning. We had 9 (yes,single digit number)degrees. It was a blizzard yesterday and afternoon into the night. So much for global warming here. Back to a sweater, wool socks and winter coat to church.
Sadly, I have never been able to wear high heels. My DH is only about 1″ taller than me and I don’t want to tower over him. But I do have other fun things to wear.
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Apparently Victoria was so enamored with the pink heels that she bought more than one pair, which could explain why Kim could not find them in the store. Now the fashion is spreading though as both Karen O and Kim have borrowed them. Woe is me.
Grandm, the snow is gone here at least for this hour right now. It is warmer than it has been, I did not even see much frost on the ground this morning. Snow is forecast for today and tomorrow though. I heard the girls had snow on their campout this weekend, which is better than rain because you can brush the snow off, the rain just soaks through.
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Grandma,
I just read your comment on the parenting books thread, about the adoption. While I encourage people to look into providing foster homes and even adopting some of the five hundred thousand children in our foster system, I also caution that a lot of them come exposed. My understanding is that most of them return to that lifestyle, so it is as the friend said, we are given them for a season to offer them a glimpse of another world. What they do with it is up to them, same as with our bio children. It is scarey but important.
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SteveG, I specifically mentioned the professor who was opposed for his conservative views. Should liberal law professors oppose a fellow law professor getting a job SIMPLY because he does not agree with them? Yes or No.
Deal with what I ask you. Take a stand here so that the others know were you stand on “liberal intolerance.”
Why else would you want to kill people if you can manage their pain if you didn’t think they served no purpose? And don’t evade what I’ve asked you. There is a “culture of death” and you are embracing it. It’s too easy to say “I don’t want to deal with Peter Singer. I don’t care about him.” He’s part of it, and so are you.
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NJLawyer and SteveG,
I have been learning from your exchange and find it very thought provoking, thanks.
It is snowing here now, guess the hour is up.
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Friends,
Let me refer you to a thought provoking post of mine. Have you heard of the concept of “natural religion”? It is what man can know of God and His universe from reason alone, unaided by scripture. It’s an uber-philosophical type of theology. It’s something that Francis Schaeffer warned against. And it’s also something in which America’s Founders were imbibed and is key to American Founding political theology. Indeed, the Declaration of Independence invokes natural not revealed religion.
http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/natural-religion.html
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I quietly snuck in & put Victoria’s strappy sandals back in her closet. She can keep ‘em, they’re too painful for me. (But real cute!)
Grandma – My tall daughter said she could never date a guy shorter than her.
Now she is dating, & planning to someday marry, a guy shorter than her. And she wears flats, too, to avoid looking even taller.
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NJLAwyer at #66:
SteveG, I specifically mentioned the professor who was opposed for his conservative views. Should liberal law professors oppose a fellow law professor getting a job SIMPLY because he does not agree with them? Yes or No.
No, if that happened it’s wrong. My experience has been that such stories are usually more complex than the person wanting to claim persecution admits; but if someone was blocked from a job just because of a conservative viewpoint, that’s wrong.
Why else would you want to kill people if you can manage their pain if you didn’t think they served no purpose?
Because I don’t “want to kill” anybody. Phrasing it that way is deliberately inflammatory and emotional.
What I am arguing is that IF someone has a very short time remaining, and IF the person who is dying wishes — that person, no one else — then they should be able to choose the time of their death. If they can choose to die in the afternoon with their loved ones surrounding them, why not allow them to?
You would say, “Tough, there’s a good chance you’ll die alone in the middle of the night with no one there to hold your hand in your final moments, but that’s how it has to be … because of my religious beliefs, even if you don’t share them.”
I don’t LIKE death, no one does. But it comes to all of us inevitably. For the few people lucky enough to have some degree of choice in the matter, why not allow it?
And don’t evade what I’ve asked you. There is a “culture of death” and you are embracing it. It’s too easy to say “I don’t want to deal with Peter Singer. I don’t care about him.” He’s part of it, and so are you.
Oh please.
For someone who advocates non-defensive war and capital punishment, you have no room to preach to me about a culture of death.
Peter Singer has a radical view that is nowhere close to what I’m saying. We are similar only in the same way that Mozart and Sid Vicious are both musicians.
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Mumsee – 59
I understand regarding music. You might have been a blessing to others Mumsee, sometimes we aren’t attending a Christian function just for ourselves. Your heart was in the right place
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Karen
I’m laughing, …. I have a mental picture of you stumbling around and your husband looking very perplexed.
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Karen, I expect those shoes back in my closet in one hour or its the BONG! Laughing over.
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Kim,
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#54 You received two GOLD STARS, however you have turned into a one of the worst, you will now be right on the top, along with Chas and Ajisuun. SHAME on the three of you.
Hooray! I made it to the top 3!!! Now to just be a little bit badder than Cahs and Ajisuun. That should not be too hard with Ajisuun, she seems to nice to get tot he top. But Chas…
We should have been planning a ‘WELCOME HOME PARTY’ for Lynn, but instead there is a group who can’t cooperate long enough to plan anything.
Just doing our part to keep the fun going!
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Whoo-hoo, I’m on Victoria’s list. Oh, I mean… OOh, I’m scared now. I’m on Victoria’s list.
I still don’t think she can reach me. I think Kim and Karen should have more severe punishments though. Really, “borrowing” someone’s shoes!
I hate to correct you again, Victoria, but we are a perfectly cooperative bunch. We cooperate with each other quite well as we battle the BONG queen.
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We are waaaay off topic. If you want a good chuckle check out this website.
http://sillygoosebaby.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-not-to-wear-mei-tai.html
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Peter L.
I obviously will have to work on this. I don’t like 2nd or third place, but against you and Chas…I don’t know.
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Grandma,
We have a topic???
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Peter L.
The three of you just might sit together in first place. I’ve never seen three mean ‘wannabe’s’ vie for first place as the worst of the group.
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If you go back to Kristin’s entry it was something to do with marriage. But this is quite fun.
Peter states we can’t cooperate. We seem to be getting along quite well–as long as we don’t give the BONG QUEEN too much power. She has even told me I was up to late and to go to bed. I think I am old enough to decide when I need to go to bed! Anyway, I live in a different time zone.
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Ajisuun
Kim and Karen? So now you are a ‘tattle tale’ isn’t that special -
I can reach you with my BONG -
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Grandma, we haven’t had a topic for days. Just keeping order on the blog is enough ‘topic’ for this bunch.
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Listen Grandma, you might be in a different time zone, but when you start rattling around, you need to go to bed or take a nap.
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Where’s the order? There is none. Kinda like the weather here. Jumps from spring to winter and then back. It is still snowing here. Maybe you can use your BONG to straiten this weather mess out, because it is sure not keeping order on this blog!
I do go to bed early.
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For all the ‘flat shoe’ people, maybe you should buy hot pink ones, that way we could all have hot pink shoes, HIGH or FLAT, then maybe sneaking into closets would end.
If this doesn’t stop, you are all taking a nap this afternoon.
Wouldn’t Peter L and Chas look cute in hot pink shoes?
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Maybe that could be their “reward” for being at the top of the list!
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Grandma
You just won a GOLD STAR that’s a great idea. Chas, Peter L. and Ajisuun ALL in ‘hot pink shoes’-
We need photos of this.
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Grandma, (#81), Note, no one GAVE Victoria any power. She took it. That’s how dictatorships start. Somebody gets a little power, then it becomes obsessive. Peter L, AJISUUN and I have been resisting. But I suspect AJISUUN is too nice to handle the dirty work, and Peter and I are already under theh BONG watch.
On another thread somewhere, Cheryl D said Victoria was “sweet”. I caught Victoria being sweet once about a year ago when I was planning a 50th anniversary. She usually hides it well, but occasionally it accidentally slips out.
TJ just recently reminded us how much power corrupts.
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NOBODY wants to see Chas in anything pink. A clothing salesman once tried to sell me a pink shirt. My wife talked him out of it before I became aware of his choice of shirts. I haven’t been back there.
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On Friday’s RAVE blog, I mentioned that I was going to have a great granddaughter. Two year old Caded asked if his little sister was going to be a boy.
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Chas,
That is too cute. Grandchildren are the best!
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When my DH’s Grandmother died, she had 24 great grandchildren and 15 great-great grandchildren. All of them were precious to her. She was a blessing to all of us.
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When is Lynn coming back and why aren’t we planing the party? Since my oven is STILL broken, I’ll bring chicken salad croissants.
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Deb, I love chicken salad croissants.
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Mickey expelled the following comments from his Expelled thread:
OLASKY: I saw and scanned shelf upon shelf of racist and anti-Semitic journals from the first several decades of the last century, with articles frequently citing and applying Darwin.
. . . citing and applying Darwin erroneously and unscientifically/i>.
The “Berlin Wall” of academic tenure and peer review doesn’t stop ID, much less “enslave millions.”
Would someone please explain the rhetorical brilliance of comparing your antagonists to the Nazi’s and the GDR? Otherwise, people may think that Michael Moore’s neglect of this enthymeme is what failed to persuade you!
Because Mickey’s “Berlin Wall” policy keeps out unwanted comments, you could make an argument that he’s trying to do the same thing the bad guys did. However, I’m in a charitable mood, having just seen the Pope in the Napoleonic splendor of his stage set in Yankee Stadium, so I won’t do like Olasky and Ben Stein and accuse him of genocide!
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Sorry: I won’t accuse Mickey of genocide, is what I meant. But I won’t accuse the Pope of genocide either, although I think Olaksy and Ben Stein would have an easier time showing a connection between this Pope and the contemporaneous Pope with the Nazis than between science and the Nazi racism.
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Grandma,
This is whirled views, there is no topic, we get to talk about whatever we want. Sometimes we stick with the quote, sometimes somebody or three or four introduce interesting topics we all discuss, and other times we just play and get to know each other.
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Karen – The secret to wearing high heeled strappy sandals is to NOT think about how you are going to walk in them. You strap them on and you strut your stuff girl. It’s when you think about it that it’s difficult walking.
And Victoria, you threatening Grandma with a nap – when we reach the “Grandma” stage, a nap is a gift!
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Victoria – I did put back your sandals, see #69. And I promise I didn’t step in anything yucky.
I think I will look for some hot pink flats.
VS – That’s my problem – I think too much. Do you have any hot pink (or “reg.” pink) shoes or sandals?
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VS
I didn’t put Grandma on the ‘list’- She just needed a nap……. she can consider it my gift to her.
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Karen, its the big color this summer, I’m sure you can find a pair.
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Mumsee,
“Whirled Views”–Reminds me of a blender. Thank you for the clarification.
Thank you for the gift Victoria. I won’t get to use it for awhile. You can be sweet. (Don’t let that go to your head.)
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Moth,
Must I remind you ——- you are in BONG territory, and the ‘pink strappy heel’ brigade.
If you don’t watch it, you’re going to be on the list, however you’ll have lots of company.
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Grandma, I don’t know what to say but THANK YOU. No one every says anything nice to me, do you think it’s because I have a BONG?
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Yes. Let’s plan Lynn a virtual Welcome Home party like we did for my birthday.
Children do say the cutest things. I have a friend with a 23 yr old son. When she was expecting her second child he asked if he could have a little black sister. She had to explain that when the mommy is white and the daddy is white the baby is white. When she was expecting her 3rd child number 2 asked if she could have a little black sister. Once again she had to explain. She never could figure out why each of her children wanted a little black sister.
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Victoria,
Sometimes we just have to look beyond the BONG.
Why is it kids can say anything they are thinking and we laugh? But us adults if we misspeak, even if it is the truth, (excuse the term) we get the BONG.
I have a great recipe for Heaven and Earth bars for the welcome back party–lots of chocolate, which it sounds like maybe we all need a good dose of.
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Karen – I admit – I do not have any hot or cool pink shoes, but I have some coral colored sandals and some turquoise colored ones and some white ones with gold etc etc.
And I vowed not to get in on this shoe conversation but you people just wouldn’t drop it.
Since this is WV and we can bring up anything we want, check out this at Randy Alcorn’s blog:
“What Does a Cross Bearer Look Like?” http://randyalcorn.blogspot.com/
May we all be Cross Bearers, regardless of the color of our sandals!
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I absolutely will not, under ANY circumstances, wear hot pink heels, flats, sandals, sneakers, flip flops or any other kind of footwear. You might as well BONG me now, because I will NOT do it. I suspect Chas and Peter L. stand with me on this.
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Oh, oh, I have a pair of strappy pink sandals! I’m usually the one who wears sensible flats–I look ridiculous trying to walk in heels. Well, this pair (I mentioned them once before) is the color of bubble gum, and they’re woven from what looks like a cross between straw and plastic garbage bags–more attractive than that sounds. They’re a chunky platform heel–the whole shoe is something like two inches tall, and then the heel is higher. I didn’t need a pair of pink shoes, I don’t normally buy heels, they were one size too small (but since they were sandals, that was sort of workable), and they cost just a little more than I usually budget for even the most useful pair of shoes.
But they were the cutest shoes I’d ever seen, and they went home with me. I even took multiple pictures of my feet in the shoes, made homemade greeting cards of the best two shots, and sent them to the person who was my closest friend at the time.
Anyway, can I be in the hot-pink-sandals club even if they aren’t spiky heels? Please?
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Oh! I just remembered (being older it takes me awhile to remember sometimes) I have a pair of pink flats. They are light pink. Now does that sound Grandma-like or what? Will they work?
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Strappy pink sandals. High heels. And here I’m stuck with Asics and penny loafers. What’s a guy to do?
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Harris,
Start your own thread?
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Going on record as standing solid with Peter on this. I’m not going to ever wear hot pink strappy sandals either. And it’s not just because it would hurt my back….
I mean, do you really want to see big hairy feet stuffed into something like that? Hmmmmm?
Yeah. I thought you’d see it my way.
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MiM,
Did Peter actually say he would not wear them? I saw Chas refusing and I may have missed Peter’s refusal. Thank you for refusing. The world is a better place for it.
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Cheryl – 110
Cheryl,
You are the club co-chairman- I am so proud of you I could throw a party in your honor.. You are definitely a pink shoe member.
Cheryl is the Vice President of the pink sandals club, either high heels or flats.
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Grandma,
You are in, trust me, no one is going to question your pink whatevers. We LOVE YOU!
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Harris – 112
Guess what?
I saw a pair of pink loafers in the mall? What do you think?
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MIM
Hey you….. we can get you some pink shoes, in fact we will even donate them. You have a choice loafers or flip-flops, which is it big boy?
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Harris
There’s a pair of PINK FLIP-FLOPS with your name on them. Just pick them up, and put them on.
I had your name put on the top… HARRIS! You are going to love them –
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False Choice there girl….
The closest I’ll get is a pink shirt. Now that I could go for. With a classy tie and dark jacket….
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I go to bed early and I get up to 3 degrees outside and “Guys in Pink”. What is the world coming to?
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Sorry, Victoria. I don’t wear pink unless it is a minor part of something else. Bong away!
(That’s what I get for not being around much yesterday!)
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Grandma, they can wear pink shirts, or in the case of cranky Peter, he can wear a pink ‘pin’-
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Make It Man missed the big story. The propaganda war waged by the Pentagon against American Citizens. They are using “Military Analysts” who appear on “the news” and who in most cases have businesses profiting from the war. Together these analysts represent more than 150 military contractors either as lobbyists, senior executives, board members or consultants, and are fed talking points in private meetings and trips with Pentagon Officials. Fail to deliver the talking points and they lose access for their businesses.
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