Ayers link dogs Obama
Barack Obama’s personal connections are causing him grief again. Now it’s Bill Ayers – a 1960s radical connected to a bomb-setting anti-war group called the Weather Underground – who’s creating problems. This time, though, the connection is far shakier than Obama’s connection to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Ayers was never convicted of terrorism (unlike the two Weathermen whose sentences Bill Clinton pardoned or commuted), and claims that his infamous New York Times quote, “I don’t regret setting bombs. … I feel we didn’t do enough” was a “deliberate distortion.” He’s called his choices “complex, sometimes extreme and despairing” and explains his current views on his blog. Newsbusters.org notes that Ayers’ politics are still leftist, but according to the Washington Post, Chicago liberals at least consider Ayers “mainstream.”
The Obama-Ayers link has been bouncing across the blogosphere for several months now. Then Sean Hannity urged George Stephanopoulos to press Obama for details, and Stephanopoulos obliged (a fact that irks liberals) during Wednesday’s debate.
Obama replied, “The notion that … me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense.” Then (in a statement that offends pro-lifers), he noted that he doesn’t apologize for Sen. Tom Coburn, who believes in the death penalty for abortionists.
Just how close is the Ayers-Obama connection? The Fact Checker calls it tenuous. Ayers hasn’t endorsed Obama but gave a small contribution to Obama’s Senate campaign, met with him and others approximately twelve times when they served on a charity board together, hosted a party for him in 1995, and is Obama’s neighbor.
No one suggests that Obama applauds Ayers’ views. “I’m sure he’s very patriotic,” John McCain said of Obama yesterday. “But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question.” In the Wall Street Journal, John Fund admits, “No one suggests that Mr. Obama has ever endorsed any of the actions of the Weathermen, which occurred when he was still a child.”
The question seems to be the same demanded of McCain after he sought the endorsement of anti-Catholic evangelist John Hagee: Just how vehemently and vocally does he disagree? Obama already called the acts “detestable,” but McCain asks, “Does he condemn them? Would he condemn someone who says that they’re unrepentant and wished that they had bombed more?”
On National Review’s Media Blog, Kevin D. Williamson says Obama’s connection to Wright and other radicals still makes a difference. Daily Kos responds to the whole story with a bitingly satirical post.



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This is silly. The 60s were a different and difficult time. A radical who took over an ivy league campus building at gun point in 1968 now sits on that university’s board of trustees. I don’t think he’s sorry. Bill Clinton pardoned a bunch of people who were in the Weather Underground. People did what they did at the time rightly and wrongly and have moved on.
Frankly had I been of age in the 60s and been faced with Vietnam, a possibly draft, and the rapid fire deaths of John Kennedy, Martin Luther Kind, and Bobby Kennedy, who knows where my activism would have taken me or what I would have done? I would not have been quiet.
All I know is I’m tired of the Boomers rehashing this stuff. We have Iraq, Global Warming, terrorism, economic crises, food shortages — problems of TODAY. Anybody who makes an issue of who is friends with someone who did something back in the 1960s isn’t fit to lead this country.
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“The notion that … me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense”
Didn’t Ayers host Obama functions in his home early on? Don’t they serve on boards together?
These kinds of ties with an unrepentant terrorist are relevent – and more alarming than merely knowing a former terrorist.
Any GOP candidate with similar ties to someone that far out would be the lead story in the NYT everyday until ELection Day.
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The media continues to push these types of questions with no effect. the last so-called debate had several similar “character questions” which Obama has turned aside. The longer people persist on asking inane and irrelevant questions and ignore Iraq war, economy, inflation, etc, the more people will think they don’t want to debate the issues with Obama or his opponents have no answer on the real problems.
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I’m sorry. There is no way — NO WAY — I can read the title of this topic without first seeing “Ayers Dog Licks Obama.” I get it right on second reading. But the first? It’s just not going to happen. And the lede (”Barack Obama’s personal connections are causing him grief again”) doesn’t help.
I believe Ms. Harris has a subliminal future.
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I agree with KRM. Ayers is unrepentant. I wouldn’t attend events or sit on a board where that Phelps character is involved and I would look askance at someone who did. I wouldn’t want to be associated with someone who pickets funerals at all.
Obama isn’t responsible for what anyone did 40 years ago, but if he maintains ties with someone who still thinks the same way, they must have something in common. There’s something about laying down with dogs and fleas, as I recall.
Activism is one thing. Bombings and violence is another. I’m sorry DCL doesn’t like to be reminded of the past, but those who don’t remember are doomed to repeat. The methods used then can still be used now. Only the issues have changed.
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These so called gaffs make me like Obama more and more. I like and admire Bill Ayers.
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This is really what our political discourse has degenerated into? That intelligent human beings will actually be wrapped up in this kind of muck strikes me as incomprehensible.
-”These kinds of ties with an unrepentant terrorist are relevent – and more alarming than merely knowing a former terrorist.”
-”I wouldn’t attend events or sit on a board where that Phelps character is involved and I would look askance at someone who did.”
Whew, it’s a good thing Christ only associated with repentant whores and sinners… it’s a good thing Christ makes us flawless and perfectly repentant before letting us into the body… otherwise the Church might be filled with sinners.
Look, Obama scares me more than any viable candidate in my lifetime, but that doesn’t mean I have to believe the absolute worst about him at every given moment of any given time. There’s a solid chance he’s actually not an antichrist.
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A tree is know by its fruit, Luke.
Biasedbulldog, someone running for president has a completely different goal than Jesus Christ. Presidents are not elected to save sinners. Salvation has nothing to do with the government of the United States. How dare you elevate the office of president to being equal with the Son of God! Outrageous! Completely different “jobs” in case you really want to be honest!
Neither KRM nor I have called Obama the anti-Christ.
I oppose Obama because he’s a socialist, and I’m not going to fall for his brushing his shoulder to brush off his critics. Nor will I be intimidated into trusting someone who associates with people I don’t like or approve. Why should I ignore anything about him? He’s running for president. I’m one of the hiring partners. I’ll ask anything I please, and someone who doesn’t like that and opposes that, has a real problem and is trying to hide something. What are you afraid of?
Adolf Hitler ran for office, too. Maybe someone should have questioned what kind of people he hung out with.
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You mean he’s not the anti-Christ? You mean its Hilary and I’ve been backing the wrong candidate?
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Luke – If you like and admire Ayers, then you would be morally out of bounds to decry the abortion clinic bombers.
If that is where you want to be, so be it. But you’ve undermined any abilty to cricitize any violent behavior that you happen to disagree with.
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That’s not even your best attempt, KRM. Try harder.
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Though here is an interesting question. Do you think Obama got his profession wrong (Ayers is a professor of Education not English) on purpose?
And another PS- You can watch the 2004 documentary of the Weathermen for free on a Japanese site:
http://tiny.cc/ckfhG
This is all of them much older and wiser.
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by post 8 we have Obama, the anti-Christ and Hitler. Way to kill a thread.
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Stephanopolis gave Obama a perfect chance to kill this, but Obama’s reply was surprisingly weak and it fueled a controversy that could have been snuffed out with a clearer no-nonsense reply. The life still in this issue is Obama’s fault.
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“Presidents are not elected to save sinners. Salvation has nothing to do with the government of the United States. How dare you elevate the office of president to being equal with the Son of God! Outrageous! Completely different “jobs” in case you really want to be honest!”
-Your moral indignation is duly noted. If I’m not mistaken, Barak Obama was not actually acting as President of the United States in her interactions with Mr. Ayers.
-You seem to be saying it’s acceptable for Jesus to hang out with unrepentant sinners, but not for the President to do so. Odd.
In any case, I’m not saying you should vote for him. God knows I won’t; but lets minor on the minors. This is decidedly insignificant and unimportant.
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Serious George at #4: I’m sorry. There is no way — NO WAY — I can read the title of this topic without first seeing “Ayers Dog Licks Obama.”
For me it’s, “Ayers links dogs to Obama,” and then I can’t imagine what’s wrong with being portrayed as a dog-lover.
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dyslectics of the world, UNTIE!!!!
::upraised fist::
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Serious George and SteveG — your posts cracked me up. You’re right. I was trying to find a non-cliche verb and it totally backfired. What can I say? I’m here for your amusement.
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Also, SteveG, the way this campaign is going, I’m sure someone will eventually figure out some way to demonize their opponents’ choice in pets.
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Oh my. What has happened in the past 40 years? How have we all changed? The fact is that Bill Ayers today has a much different position, and a different politics than what he had in ‘68.
So even if one were to grant that a link would be a appropriate item for discussion, nonetheless the nature of that link must first be spelled out: who is the Bill Ayers that Obama knows? the radical of 40 years ago? Or is he the well-respected college professor, civic figure and neighbor of the present?
After all, if we were all held to account for our words and actions when we were 23, who could stand?
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Luke – Perhaps it is not my best effort. But if you get to openly admire a bomb making terrorist, what moral authority do you retain to cricize an abortion clinic bomber, or a Muslim suicide bomber? They are no different in kind, only in target.
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Since Obama has no experience for us to review and he won’t tell us who he is, we have to figure this out indirectly by who he associates with. All we hear from Obama is “Change is Coming” as if that were a good thing.
But now at least we know he is a racist and a socialist who schmoozes with ex-terrorists. We also know that his faith is in Washington only if he becomes our savior. Its not much to go on, but its better than nothing.
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Alisa: Also, SteveG, the way this campaign is going, I’m sure someone will eventually figure out some way to demonize their opponents’ choice in pets.
Sad but probably true.
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NJLAWYER: Ayers is unrepentant.
Who are you going to believe, the NYTimes?
Ayers says his words were “deliberately” twisted. In your business, NJLAWYER, that’s known as a counter-claim. I though you were sympathetic to accusations against The Times. Repeatedly, Ayers has explained that he had “no regrets” about opposing the Vietnam War and “didn’t do enough” to stop the war from dragging on another decade. It’s reasonable to accept the word of a distinguished educator, who had been chosen to design an important school reform program, that he didn’t mean these words to be cut-and-pasted into a bombing manifesto.
Unrepentant for what?
Three Weathermen blew themselves up in their basement in 1970. That was when Obama was 8. Ayers was purged by the Weather Underground in the mid-1970’s. Obama was then about 13. Ayers turned himself in to authorities in 1981 and they declined to prosecute him, because of their own prosecutorial misconduct against him. Obama was about 19.
How do you know he’s unrepentant?
Ayers says he is ashamed of the Weathermen’s arrogance, rigidity, and narcissism. (It’s hard to be an “unrepentant terrorist” without being all of these, at the very least.)
Ayers is a philanthropist and the son of a philanthropist, and he serves on the board of an important Chicago foundation. Why shouldn’t Obama sit on a board with him, or accept his support? Didn’t great Americans including Emerson, Thoreau, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Bronson Alcott and many abolitionists approve of the terrorist John Brown?
We have process for discriminating terrorists, according to which Ayers was not a terrorist.
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JOEL MARK: The life still in this issue is Obama’s fault.
Ridiculous.
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Scroop Moth: The New York Times is irredeemably liberal-tilted and absolutely worthless as a source of objective information … except when they report something that serves a conservative agenda, in which case they are solidly accurate, reliable and unswervingly fair and honest.
Try to remember that.
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KRM,
An abortion clinic bomber is a tool of patriarchal oppression. Ayers is not. You think I can’t analyze intent? While my admiration for Ayers does not include his violent actions (and he is certainly glad for that) but his political mission and sincerity, obstructing a woman’s autonomy over her body is unethical regardless of how you do it, violent or not.
And you are not making a legit comparison. While I can’t speak to ALL abortion clinic bombers, quick research shows they “popularly” have attacked people, whereas the WU attacked empty buildings and monuments.
Quick MSNBC news reference shows 1,700 acts of violence against abortion providers (people) between 1977 and 1994. And 4 deaths in 1994. I don;t know how many before that, but the point is we tend to be talking about killers.
I know that you will not make the effort to inform yourself because you are an intellectual sloth. So you won’t watch a completely free-to-you documentary where you can be exposed to Ayers’s own voice recounting his actions (It is actually Ayers in person who describes the revelations the movement went through after the accidental deaths of 3 other members who fortunately killed themselves and not the people they intended) and describes the fail safes and the efforts they went through to safeguard human life during their campaigns.
And in fact, in multiple bombings of government buildings and monuments, ZERO people died, and ZERO people where injured.
Is someone really a terrorist when they call you and tell you a the bomb is going to go off in advance in an empty building? Hardly inspires terror, and that wasn’t their goal.
Of course, if you DID take the time to educate yourself, you’d also hear Ayers regret the bombings. But you won’t, cause your lazy and you lack the moral authority to speak because you refuse to inform yourself about the subject.
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Ayers is a 60’s radical who mellowed out over the years. There are many of them still around, living responsible lives, and even serving in government positions, running reputable businesses and doing good things. The fact that any political candidate might know one or two of these people is no cause for alarm. But I’m still not voting for Obama.
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It is amazing that the people who have spent almost 8 years demeaning, disrespecting, howling nasty epithets at George Bush now come to defend their candidate against a simple inquiry. And George Bush has taken it all. The man’s got guts.
Your candidate? Well, he cancels debates because he was put on the spot in the last one. And here you are saying people can’t ask a question. And I’ll bet we’re not allowed to say that he’s gotten an endorsement from Hamas either!
Hillary’s right about one thing: if you can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, …. Obama’s gonna need to show some guts here, guys. So far, not seeing it.
Don’t tell me this is another liberal double standard!
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JANIE: Ayers is a 60’s radical who mellowed out . . .
Then critics of Obama are lying. The story is no longer about Ayers and Obama but about the sincerity of Republican arguments.
Ayers denies he ever participated in terrorism, approved of terrorism, or defended terrorism. The United States declined to prosecute him. Ayers contributes to the good of society. So what’s Obama to do, re-visit and re-open an old case? Obama is running for president, not Great Judge of all men at the end of time.
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Luke – Ayers says different things to different audiances as to his regrets, or lack there of.
Yes, there is some difference between targeting people and attempting to limit damage to property. But both are terrorism. Ayers hasn’t disavowed those tactics (or at least not consistently disavowed them). Attacks on one’s property still inspire terror (ask someone whose home has been broken into), and Ayers is disngenuous at best to assert otherwise. I stand by what I said.
My dad was one of his Little League coaches, by the way. My sisters went through school with him.
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Sloth, sloth, sloth.
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NJLawyer,
“I oppose Obama because he’s a socialist,”
Please move to the head of the class.
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#30 Scrooy,
‘Ayers denies he ever participated in terrorism, approved of terrorism, or defended terrorism. The United States declined to prosecute him.’
This was the same argument that lefties used when trying to deflect the Komrade Koward Kerry Traitor problems he had. Kerry supposedly never participated in traitorous activities nor was he ever prosecuted by the US government for them. This kind of defense doesn’t work when folks find out the real truth as they will with Bill Ayers – just like they did with Kerry.
We know the left loves to defend home grown American terrorists and traitors for some reason unknown to us, so your defence of Ayers has set off an alarm and will make our looking at his past, very closely, a requirement and likely more fruitful.
We have seen this before and suspects where it will lead. Saying Ayers wasn’t an anti American terrorist and, even if he was one by mistake, he certainly has changed for the better and has become typical harmless, mainstream, left wing now, would be like McCain saying he fought in Nam Nam by horrible mistake but is different now and would never do such a thing again. It sure gives typically harmless, mainstream, left wing new meaning at the very least.
I’m not buying your propaganda spin control. You can’t fool everyone all the time, as so many lefties think. We know your leaders too well
The truth always comes out in the end and I can almost, but not quite, guarantee you that Obama won’t like what truth says about Ayers – no more than Kerry like what truth said about him.
Obamas’s problem is that he is a near Marxist, ultra, left wing socialist and the most liberal senator in the US Senate. He makes Hillary look like Ronald Reagan. He will not escape that and can’t blame it on a minor misunderstanding in someone else’s past that he isn’t really related to in any way.
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” obstructing a woman’s autonomy over her body is unethical regardless of how you do it”
You mean by having her cover it up, or not inject it with heroin, or not seducing middle school boys with it? In what way are such “obstructions to her autonomy over her body” unethical?
Abortion involves another body, undeniably human, living by any biological definition, and genetically distinct from its mother. Abortion is indisputably the deliberate taking of a human life. Your preference for slogans over reality is intellectual sloth at its worth.
Nobody here defends bombing abortion clinics. You defend bombing US government buildings and then try to deflect any criticism by justifying the deliberate killing of human beings as a right that cannot be ethically challenged.
Obama has publicly presented himself as a new kind of politician capable of uniting America. His record shows him to be the most hard left member of the Senate and his association with Bill Ayers, who still defends his actions and speeches in the 60s and 70s, demonstrates Obama’s commitment to the hard left wing of his party.
Yes, Scroop, Ayers has made counter claims. Unfortunately those counterclaims have been countered by more of his own published words and those of his wife. He might be ashamed of the Weathermen’s “arrogance rigidity and narcissism”, but not evidently of their violenct tactics.
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LLAMA, you put me in a painful dilemma. As an acolyte of Freud, I may not accept negation for more than it’s worth — which is nothing. The mind doesn’t say no. Negation always expresses the very thing it tries to hide. (That’s why John Kerry refused to deny his cowardice in war.) As an American, on the other hand, I believe there is no stronger argument a citizen can make on his own behalf than denial.
In a quite arbitrary fashion, I choose to resolve this conflict by accepting the results of official process. What a sheep I am! The fact that the government after investigation refused to prosecute carries a lot of weight with me.
Nobody thinks Obama countenances terrorism, they just want to engage him in an endless discussion about Ayers, a subject which is unresolvable outside juridical process.
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