Masculinity caricatures, part 1
Brandon O’Brien’s Christianity Today column, “A Jesus for Real Men,” puts the masculinity of the incarnate Jesus into question. In attacking the so-called “new masculinity movement,” O’Brien constructs an unfair, unbalanced caricature of men like Mark Driscoll, David Murrow, and John Eldredge and then seeks to tear down metaphors that do not agree with his more sophisticated pallet. While giving lip service to the contributions of these men he essentially argues against the straw man.
O’Brien first gives an historical error. He claims that the first writer to popularize the masculinity crisis in the church was John Eldredge. False. The first ones to raise the issue were writers like Leane Payne author of Crisis in Masculinity (1995) and Harvard Divinity school graduate and psychologist Sam Keen author of Fire in the Belly: On Being A Man (1992). There was a substantial national discussion about men in the church for years in mainline Protestant and Catholic circles before Eldredge struck the keyboard.
O’Brien then aims his caricature at David Murrow, author of Why Men Hate Going To Church; Brad Stine, a comedian, who began a ministry called GodMen; and Mark Driscoll, pastor of Seattle’s Mars Hill Church. What is most bizarre about the critique of Stine is that one might assume, since Stine is a comedian, that many of his comments would be interpreted as comedic hyperbole. No so for O’Brien. He critiques Stein’s comedic hyperbole as if it were biblical theology.
Perfecting the art of out-of-context critiques, O’Brien takes a few quotes from a Driscoll sermon and caricatures his point as well. Although Driscoll has written an entire book on Christology, called Vintage Jesus, O’Brien seems content to assume the worst from a sermon clip. Why not reference the book?
What is most profoundly distorting about O’Brien’s critique of John Eldredge is the fact that Eldredge has directly addressed women’s discipleship issues in Captivating: Unveiling the Mystery of a Woman’s Soul, co-authored with his wife. Moreover, in his latest book, The Way of Wild Heart: A Map of the Masculine Journey, Eldredge spends an entire chapter developing the need for men to have an aesthetic conversion and to become lovers of beauty, the poetic, and so on.
O’Brien’s convenient caricatures miss the point that the goal of the recent masculinity reflections is not to “re-masculate Jesus” but to “re-masculate” the church’s men to be conformed to the Bible’s whole teaching about Jesus in his incarnation and exaltation. Then the church’s men can offer their needed strength to their families, the church, and work of the Kingdom.
O’Brien’s column should be taken with the smallest grain of salt because it lacks a fair assessment of the men he caricatures, fails to understand the rhetorical use of hyperbole, and is biased toward affinities of men who are among educated class’s Christian elite.




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back to top23 Comments to “Masculinity caricatures, part 1”
Hey, this post could be the Perfect Storm of WorldViews posts! Think of it: people who love Mark Driscoll or loathe him, or who feel either or both ways about John Eldredge or Christianity Dismay or the purpled prose of Anthony Bradley, can all belly on up to the bar!
I will confess that Anthony’s derision for Brandon O’Brien’s post drove me to read the whole thing to find out what might be right about it. And I wasn’t disappointed: Anthony’s “False” in his second paragraph, for instance, overplays his hand a bit. Who has ever heard of, let alone actually read, the manliness authors he mentions previous to Eldredge? If “popularization” of an idea is what we’re talking about, the guy who sells more books by several orders of magnitude is probably the winner.
Anyway, I thought O’Brien made a decent defense of his position from Scripture. His point about holding our natural instincts up to the light of the Word, rather than sanctifying them in view of what we perceive to be the opposite tendency in the Church, is an excellent warning for all of us, whether we subscribe to this movement or not.
I’ve never read Driscoll or Eldridge, so I cannot evaluate what either has to say. But I’ve read this post and the article it attacks, however, and the post reads like something Bradley should have let percolate for another couple of days before letting loose on the world.
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I agree, RR. Seems Anthony is using hyperbole himself in order to prop up his position against O’Brien meanwhile not giving us any inkling (in this post at least) of his own position on masculinity.
On O’Brien’s article, it’s interesting to note that man has been blaming woman for neutering his own decision making since Adam (”she gave me the fruit and I ate!”). Adam was shirking his responsibilities. Men have been doing that since the original sin. We only have ourselves to blame and need to own up to it. Liberalism is a similar means for people to transfer their own power and responsibilities to others.
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Thank you, Wiglaf #2 for stating it so plainly.
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RR said, “I’ve never read Driscoll or Eldridge, so I cannot evaluate what either has to say.”
Since that’s true how could you possibly assess whether or not O’Brien represented the position of Eldredge, Driscoll, Morrow, or Stein fairly or why myself and many others who posted on the other site so strongly object to the caricatures O’Brien presents.
He’s free to attack the “natural instincts” point, possibly because of weak doctrine of creation and the Imago Dei, but O’Brien should be careful to assert the authorial intent of these men to this without evidence. Of course he’s right to caution natural theology as a starting point as you state.
However, none of those men would argue from a “natural instincts” perspective and none of them have. Also, if one has a weak doctrine of creation one is likely to misunderstand the wisdom embedded in God’s good creation. For example, when the Bible points sluggards to ants (Proverbs 6:6). I don’t think that a reference to ants would imply that the author of that Proverb is holding up the natural instincts of ants over Scripture.
About the percolation, great point! There’s more to come on O’Brien in part 2.
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Wiglaf, I have a word limit here (which explains why this is part one) but if you want a quick look at a short article I wrote titled Masculine Spirituality. It introduces my perspectives on this issue. It starts on page 12.
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I was not assessing the teaching of any of these authors, and don’t know where you got that idea.
If O’Brien is distorting or misrepresenting the meat of what these guys have to say, then fine, show us. But you only discredit yourself when, for instance, your first and foremost criticism is about a “historical error” of no real import. Does O’Brien’s argument actually depend on this brief comment, or are you just going for the easy zinger?
You later accuse him of bias “toward affinities of men who are among educated class’s Christian elite,” without substantiation. Where in O’Brien’s article is the snobby appeal to our betters?
You accuse him of out-of-context critiques, but fail to provide the context for a single one of these public speakers’ soundbites. I would think even you would have to admit that “win-a-fight, punch-you-in-the-nose dudes” (Driscoll’s description of Jesus, John the Baptist and Paul) and “Boss, Bold, Brash, Bully, and Blunt” (the ideal Christian man, per GodMen) are the sort of comments that are open to misconstrual.
I know, I know, all truth will be revealed in Part Two. Let’s hope so. Otherwise, we’re left with nothing but a hyperbolic screed against hyperbole.
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I read Anthony’s comments but I have not read the others, so I have no criticism for what Anthony wrote (or for the others). In fact, I liked his passion and his interest in the topic. I share his apparent desire to “re-masculate” the church’s men so that they can offer strength “to their families, the church, and work of the Kingdom.” More power to ya on that, Anthony.
But I do recall reading some of John Eldredge in the past and he seemed a bit ‘new-agey.”
Anthony, you have engaged this thoughtfully (though I’m not taking sides here) and I wonder if you think there is any merit to my memory of some ‘new age’ elements in Eldridge’s writing.
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RR, interesting reply. Since you are completely ignorant of the content and context of the works of the men mentioned in O’Brien’s piece this entire conversation isn’t one that you are equipped to offer opinion some would say. Actually, the Driscoll quote is not open to “miscontrual” for those who are actually familiar with the larger corpus of what he’s been preaching and writing for years. Of course, Stein (GodMen) is a comedian, not a pastor nor a theologian, and should be treated as such.
Jesus said, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matt 10:34) If someone were to write an article explaining that Jesus was against peace, most people would object to Jesus being taken out of context and caricatured. Jesus called men “vipers” and told then that their father was the devil, and so on. Did you know that Paul didn’t like the Galatians? He thought they were pretty dumb. Seriously, he said to them “You foolish Galatians.” Maybe someone should write an article rebuking Paul–it’s open to miscontrual after all.
But RR, come on, all words and phrases are open to misconstrual. It’s one of the limitations of language. Context is our friend.
O’Brien takes a few out-of-context quotes and creates fiction about the intentions of a few men, some of whom are ordained elders in the church. I think we can do better than that. He should also quote some of the other things these men say as well.
Also, the historical point is important because it’s unclear if O’Brien has researched enough about the so-called “masculinity movement” to understand why these men are using the metaphors they have chosen to use. This is exactly why so many people are objecting that O’Brien has totally missed the point. He doesn’t “get it”. If you haven’t read Payne, Keen, Podles, Bly and others you won’t understand Murrow and Eldredge, for example, because they are drawing directly from these previous thinkers. You can’t understand Cone without reading Barth, right?
But at least one has to respect the fact that men like O’Brien, Driscoll, Murrow, etc. have to fortitude to offer their perspectives and critiques in the public sphere using their full names and refuse to not hide behind anonymity. I’ll give O’Brien kudos for that. He stands above many folks on the internet. It’s a debatable point, I know. But one has to really respect for that. O’Brien took a huge risk there. That’s respectable I would say.
About part 2, because you are exhaustively ignorant of the writings and teachings of Eldredge, Driscoll, Murrow, and others–leaving you with no real ability to evaluate O’Brien’s descriptions of these men and their views–you will probably miss the point of part 2 as well. It’s sort of like having a conversation about someone’s assessment of the debates about N-methyl-D-aspartate receptors in the brain with someone who’s never taken a biology course.
So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?
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Bradley
These quotes you post to RR:
YOU WRITE:….
“Since you are completely ignorant of the content and context of the works of the men mentioned in O’Brien’s piece this entire conversation isn’t one that you are equipped to offer opinion some would say.”
YOU WRITE:….
“About part 2, because you are exhaustively ignorant of the writings and teachings of Eldredge, Driscoll, Murrow, and others–leaving you with no real ability to evaluate O’Brien’s descriptions of these men and their views–you will probably miss the point of part 2 as well.”
Bradley, you are rude to make such remarks. No one has called you IGNORANT however they might have thought so. No one has called you EXHAUSTIVELY IGNORANT but they might have come to that conclusion.
Not one person has used that word to define another persons mental capacity or ability on this thread. Are not opinions allowed to be posted whether or not you find them acceptable to whatever standards you are standing on at the moment?
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Bradley
YOUR COMMENT to RR:
YOU WRITE:…..
“Jesus said, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matt 10:34) If someone were to write an article explaining that Jesus was against peace, most people would object to Jesus being taken out of context and caricatured.”
Since you bring this passage of Scripture up Bradley, and then ask RR to “So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?” Please tell you what you believe this Scripture to mean?
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Matthew 10
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Mr. Bradley didn’t call anyone ignorant.
He pointed out that a commenter is “ignorant of” and even “exhaustively ignorant of” the content and context of a certain set of writings.
This doesn’t question anyone’s mental capacity, but simply points out a lack of relevant knowledge about (ignorance of) specific information.
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SR – 11
When Bradley WROTE:
YOU WRITE:…
“Since you are completely ignorant of the content and context of the works of the men mentioned in O’Brien’s piece this entire conversation isn’t one that you are equipped to offer opinion some would say.”
YOU WRITE:…
“About part 2, because you are exhaustively ignorant of the writings and teachings of Eldredge, Driscoll, Murrow, and others–leaving you with no real ability to evaluate O’Brien’s descriptions of these men and their views–you will probably miss the point of part 2 as well.”
That is calling someone “ignorant” and “exhaustively ignorant” – No white washing necessary SG, it was RUDE.
It would appear that Bradley believes that everyone posting on this thread will read all of these books, in order to post. Most people won’t, in fact those who know who Mark Driscoll, and John Eldredge are, have already read enough about the “Emerging Church” and have no reason to spend valuable time reading more.
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It’s not whitewashing, Victoria. It’s the English language.
From Websters: ignorant may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing (e.g., an ignorant fool vs. ignorant of nuclear physics).
Having been explained the difference, and persisting in conflating the two makes you aggressively ignorant of syntax in this case, though you may be generally smart as a whip {:~)
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Furthermore, I suspect that if your britches were smoldering and someone associated with the “Emerging Church” tapped you on the shoulder to mention it, you’d burn before admitting your pants were on fire … considering the source. There’s nothing quite as logically combustible as genetic fallacy.
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Mr. Bradley, my point all along has been that you have blasted this fellow for misrepresenting the views of these writers without supplying much in the way of substantiation of your charges. I have no doubt of your thorough familiarity with the subject matter, but you continue to make assertions that require as proof the background that you haven’t provided to us here. Until you do so, you’ll have to pardon me for thinking this sounds like the “If you knew what I knew, you wouldn’t think what you think” defense. Perhaps true, but so far unproven. And frustrating to the ignoramus, to say the least.
Instead, you misspell a word that I spelled correctly, placing yours in scare quotes as if it were mine. And then you imply, in a forum where most regular participants use screen names, that I am somehow cowardly for following this practice. So I guess we’re done here; this seems rather petty to me.
I will do my best to read the second installment with an open mind, even saddled as I am with exhaustive ignorance.
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Have a nice evening George, keep your dictionary close by, when all fails, mix it up a little
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Hi Anthony:
Just finished O’Brien’s article. A few thoughts:
Alas, I find myself in agreement with a few folks here…you perhaps should have waited a couple of days to cool off before posting this thing because it’s coming on really strong…in a bad way. O’Brien’s theology throughout the article is wretched, for example, giving you a perfect opportunity to gently, graciously extend to him Christ’s right fist of fellowship by correcting him on this (the paragraph concerning the precise portion of Christ’s incarnation we are to imitate left me nauseous…methinks I know why you saw red!).
However, O’Brien’s line about Eldridge being the first to popularize is valid. Your point is also correct, but let’s face it: even a graduated seminarian like myself is more familiar with Eldridge than the guys you referenced. They may have been first, but Eldridge registered on the cultural radar, and that’s what matters.
O’Brien is reacting against hyper-masculinity, perhaps due to deep-seated fears of his own, and this results in poor journalism in his article, as well as nauseating theologizing. Likely he’ll get the eBook thrown at him online by those in the know.
You, however, have the opportunity to browbeat him in love, winsomely. After all, when such as Victoria is lecturing you on rudeness, it is a very masculine thing to heed the fairer sex (as long as no one is going to accuse me of being a chauvinist!).
And it is not so strong a thing to do as to (rightly) correct Serious George in so the manner demonstrated. It weakens the excellent points you made.
O’Brien wrote something somewhat hideous. Your response, while stronger, should not be reactively hideous, but instead leading us to agreement with you, since your points are more valid.
I trust this will edify and bless you, good sir!
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Victoria – I think the point that is trying to be made is the addition of the word “of” to ignorant, that one is not generally ignorant, but ignorant of a particular topic.
However, I still do think we should avoid the word “ignorant”, since it is a hot button kind of word.
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Karen
I don’t need an explanation as to what was intended with the remark Bradley made to RR, I understood it completely.
When someone says “ignorant of” it makes CLEAR the person has no reason to comment or debate the issue according to the person who used the term “ignorant of” since in their mind the other person isn’t worthy to speak on the subject – It’s a haughty term, used by those who aren’t able to speak in a decent way to another person exaggerating their knowledge while disrespecting someone else.
Then there was “because you are exhaustively ignorant” – That doesn’t say ‘much’ for the person making such a statement.
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Why don’t you ask Mr. Bradley what he meant, Victoria.
A request for clarification is generally more likely to foster understanding than a caustic accusation. Imagine that.
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George,
Why ask someone what they meant when they made it so CLEAR. I’m sure Bradley has read the posts, so he could comment if it was his nature.
I asked Bradley this question in post 10:
NO ANSWER as yet!
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Sorry that was my post number 9 NOT 10 -
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I asked Bradley the question below in post number 10 regarding his use of Matthew 10:34 in his post number 8, ending with ——– “So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?” ——–
I would like to hear your answer Bradley.
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