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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I asked Bradley&lt;/b&gt; the question below in post number 10 regarding his use of Matthew 10:34 in his post number 8, ending with -------- &quot;So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?&quot; --------
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I wrote:........&quot;Since you bring this passage of Scripture up Bradley, and then ask RR to &#8220;So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?&#8221;&lt;b&gt; Please tell you what you believe this Scripture to mean?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would like to hear your answer Bradley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I asked Bradley</b> the question below in post number 10 regarding his use of Matthew 10:34 in his post number 8, ending with &#8212;&#8212;&#8211; &#8220;So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?&#8221; &#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>I wrote:&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;Since you bring this passage of Scripture up Bradley, and then ask RR to &#8220;So did Jesus come to bring peace or not?&#8221;<b> Please tell you what you believe this Scripture to mean?&#8221;</b></p></blockquote>
<p>I would like to hear your answer Bradley.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that was my post number 9 NOT 10 -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that was my post number 9 NOT 10 -
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Why ask someone what they meant when they made it so CLEAR.  I&#039;m sure Bradley has read the posts, so he could comment if it was his nature. 

I asked Bradley this question in post 10:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Not one person has used that word to define another persons mental capacity or ability on this thread. &lt;b&gt;Are not opinions allowed to be posted whether or not you find them acceptable to whatever standards you are standing on at the moment?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

NO ANSWER as yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Why ask someone what they meant when they made it so CLEAR.  I&#8217;m sure Bradley has read the posts, so he could comment if it was his nature. </p>
<p>I asked Bradley this question in post 10:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Not one person has used that word to define another persons mental capacity or ability on this thread. <b>Are not opinions allowed to be posted whether or not you find them acceptable to whatever standards you are standing on at the moment?&#8221;</b></p></blockquote>
<p>NO ANSWER as yet!
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		<title>By: Serious George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serious George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you ask Mr. Bradley what he meant, Victoria.

A request for clarification is generally more likely to foster understanding than a caustic accusation. Imagine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you ask Mr. Bradley what he meant, Victoria.</p>
<p>A request for clarification is generally more likely to foster understanding than a caustic accusation. Imagine that.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen

I don&#039;t need an &lt;b&gt; explanation &lt;/b&gt; as to what was intended with the remark Bradley made to RR, I understood it completely.  

When someone says &quot;ignorant of&quot; it makes CLEAR the person has no reason to comment or debate the issue according to the person who used  the term &quot;ignorant of&quot; since in their mind the other person isn&#039;t worthy to speak on the subject -  It&#039;s a haughty term, used by those who aren&#039;t able to speak in a decent way to another person exaggerating their knowledge while disrespecting someone else.    

Then there was  &quot;because you are exhaustively ignorant&quot; -  That doesn&#039;t say &#039;much&#039; for the person making such a statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need an <b> explanation </b> as to what was intended with the remark Bradley made to RR, I understood it completely.  </p>
<p>When someone says &#8220;ignorant of&#8221; it makes CLEAR the person has no reason to comment or debate the issue according to the person who used  the term &#8220;ignorant of&#8221; since in their mind the other person isn&#8217;t worthy to speak on the subject &#8211;  It&#8217;s a haughty term, used by those who aren&#8217;t able to speak in a decent way to another person exaggerating their knowledge while disrespecting someone else.    </p>
<p>Then there was  &#8220;because you are exhaustively ignorant&#8221; &#8211;  That doesn&#8217;t say &#8216;much&#8217; for the person making such a statement.
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria - I think the point that is trying to be made is the addition of the word &quot;of&quot; to ignorant, that one is not generally ignorant, but ignorant &lt;i&gt;of&lt;/i&gt; a particular topic.

However, I still do think we should avoid the word &quot;ignorant&quot;, since it is a hot button kind of word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria &#8211; I think the point that is trying to be made is the addition of the word &#8220;of&#8221; to ignorant, that one is not generally ignorant, but ignorant <i>of</i> a particular topic.</p>
<p>However, I still do think we should avoid the word &#8220;ignorant&#8221;, since it is a hot button kind of word.
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		<title>By: Kennethos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kennethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anthony:

Just finished O&#039;Brien&#039;s article. A few thoughts:
Alas, I find myself in agreement with a few folks here...you perhaps should have waited a couple of days to cool off before posting this thing because it&#039;s coming on really strong...in a bad way. O&#039;Brien&#039;s theology throughout the article is wretched, for example, giving you a perfect opportunity to gently, graciously extend to him Christ&#039;s right fist of fellowship by correcting him on this (the paragraph concerning the precise portion of Christ&#039;s incarnation we are to imitate left me nauseous...methinks I know why you saw red!).
However, O&#039;Brien&#039;s line about Eldridge being the first to popularize is valid. Your point is also correct, but let&#039;s face it: even a graduated seminarian like myself is more familiar with Eldridge than the guys you referenced. They may have been first, but Eldridge registered on the cultural radar, and that&#039;s what matters. 
O&#039;Brien is reacting against hyper-masculinity, perhaps due to deep-seated fears of his own, and this results in poor journalism in his article, as well as nauseating theologizing. Likely he&#039;ll get the eBook thrown at him online by those in the know. 
You, however, have the opportunity to browbeat him in love, winsomely. After all, when such as Victoria is lecturing you on rudeness, it is a very masculine thing to heed the fairer sex (as long as no one is going to accuse me of being a chauvinist!). 
And it is not so strong a thing to do as to (rightly) correct Serious George in so the manner demonstrated. It weakens the excellent points you made.
O&#039;Brien wrote something somewhat hideous. Your response, while stronger, should not be reactively hideous, but instead leading us to agreement with you, since your points are more valid.
I trust this will edify and bless you, good sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anthony:</p>
<p>Just finished O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s article. A few thoughts:<br />
Alas, I find myself in agreement with a few folks here&#8230;you perhaps should have waited a couple of days to cool off before posting this thing because it&#8217;s coming on really strong&#8230;in a bad way. O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s theology throughout the article is wretched, for example, giving you a perfect opportunity to gently, graciously extend to him Christ&#8217;s right fist of fellowship by correcting him on this (the paragraph concerning the precise portion of Christ&#8217;s incarnation we are to imitate left me nauseous&#8230;methinks I know why you saw red!).<br />
However, O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s line about Eldridge being the first to popularize is valid. Your point is also correct, but let&#8217;s face it: even a graduated seminarian like myself is more familiar with Eldridge than the guys you referenced. They may have been first, but Eldridge registered on the cultural radar, and that&#8217;s what matters.<br />
O&#8217;Brien is reacting against hyper-masculinity, perhaps due to deep-seated fears of his own, and this results in poor journalism in his article, as well as nauseating theologizing. Likely he&#8217;ll get the eBook thrown at him online by those in the know.<br />
You, however, have the opportunity to browbeat him in love, winsomely. After all, when such as Victoria is lecturing you on rudeness, it is a very masculine thing to heed the fairer sex (as long as no one is going to accuse me of being a chauvinist!).<br />
And it is not so strong a thing to do as to (rightly) correct Serious George in so the manner demonstrated. It weakens the excellent points you made.<br />
O&#8217;Brien wrote something somewhat hideous. Your response, while stronger, should not be reactively hideous, but instead leading us to agreement with you, since your points are more valid.<br />
I trust this will edify and bless you, good sir!
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a nice evening George, keep your dictionary close by, when all fails, mix it up a little :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a nice evening George, keep your dictionary close by, when all fails, mix it up a little <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: RR</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bradley, my point all along has been that you have blasted this fellow for misrepresenting the views of these writers without supplying much in the way of substantiation of your charges.  I have no doubt of your thorough familiarity with the subject matter, but you continue to make assertions that require as proof the background that you haven&#039;t provided to us here.  Until you do so, you&#039;ll have to pardon me for thinking this sounds like the &quot;If you knew what I knew, you wouldn&#039;t think what you think&quot; defense.  Perhaps true, but so far unproven.  And frustrating to the ignoramus, to say the least.

Instead, you misspell a word that I spelled correctly, placing yours in scare quotes as if it were mine.  And then you imply, in a forum where most regular participants use screen names, that I am somehow cowardly for following this practice.  So I guess we&#039;re done here; this seems rather petty to me.

I will do my best to read the second installment with an open mind, even saddled as I am with exhaustive ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bradley, my point all along has been that you have blasted this fellow for misrepresenting the views of these writers without supplying much in the way of substantiation of your charges.  I have no doubt of your thorough familiarity with the subject matter, but you continue to make assertions that require as proof the background that you haven&#8217;t provided to us here.  Until you do so, you&#8217;ll have to pardon me for thinking this sounds like the &#8220;If you knew what I knew, you wouldn&#8217;t think what you think&#8221; defense.  Perhaps true, but so far unproven.  And frustrating to the ignoramus, to say the least.</p>
<p>Instead, you misspell a word that I spelled correctly, placing yours in scare quotes as if it were mine.  And then you imply, in a forum where most regular participants use screen names, that I am somehow cowardly for following this practice.  So I guess we&#8217;re done here; this seems rather petty to me.</p>
<p>I will do my best to read the second installment with an open mind, even saddled as I am with exhaustive ignorance.
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		<title>By: Serious George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serious George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, I suspect that if your britches were smoldering and someone associated with the &lt;b&gt;&quot;Emerging Church&quot;&lt;/b&gt; tapped you on the shoulder to mention it, you&#039;d burn before admitting your pants were on fire ... considering the source. There&#039;s nothing quite as logically combustible as genetic fallacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, I suspect that if your britches were smoldering and someone associated with the <b>&#8220;Emerging Church&#8221;</b> tapped you on the shoulder to mention it, you&#8217;d burn before admitting your pants were on fire &#8230; considering the source. There&#8217;s nothing quite as logically combustible as genetic fallacy.
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