Comments on: Here comes the … bump? http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:37:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: theselittleones http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299560 theselittleones Wed, 07 May 2008 17:14:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299560 In the days when the culture frowned upon premarital and extramarital sex, certainly women wouldn't get married with a pregnant belly. But sexual relationships outside of marriage is so commonplace now that I think for people to get married because of a pregnancy is doing the right thing. If the addition of a baby into the relationship changes it from merely a sexual uncommitted one to one that is legally binding, that's good for everyone involved. There's no shame in unmarried people living together these days. Why should there be shame in getting married when already pregnant? Anyone can turn a new leaf at anytime, right? An unbeliever isn't going to be have the same moral standards as a believer. I think for the father of the baby to marry the mother is commendable. Too many could care less. The baby's already a fact...should the couple wait until after the baby's birth to get married just so they can 'look' right? We all sin. The sooner someone wants to correct his situation the better. I think we are throwing stones here. We are teaching our children to be pure and to wait to be married before engaging in any kind of physical activity, including kissing. But should they sin and a baby is coming, I would encourage marriage as soon as possible, taking in account that the spouse is one that loves the Lord, of course. In the days when the culture frowned upon premarital and extramarital sex, certainly women wouldn’t get married with a pregnant belly. But sexual relationships outside of marriage is so commonplace now that I think for people to get married because of a pregnancy is doing the right thing. If the addition of a baby into the relationship changes it from merely a sexual uncommitted one to one that is legally binding, that’s good for everyone involved.

There’s no shame in unmarried people living together these days. Why should there be shame in getting married when already pregnant?

Anyone can turn a new leaf at anytime, right? An unbeliever isn’t going to be have the same moral standards as a believer. I think for the father of the baby to marry the mother is commendable. Too many could care less.

The baby’s already a fact…should the couple wait until after the baby’s birth to get married just so they can ‘look’ right? We all sin. The sooner someone wants to correct his situation the better.

I think we are throwing stones here.

We are teaching our children to be pure and to wait to be married before engaging in any kind of physical activity, including kissing. But should they sin and a baby is coming, I would encourage marriage as soon as possible, taking in account that the spouse is one that loves the Lord, of course.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299538 SteveG Wed, 07 May 2008 16:12:12 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299538 <i>SteveG….the more I read your posts, the more you sound like Erasmus, Spinoza and the like.</i> That's not bad company to be in. You'll find that I tend to be confusing and hard to pigeonhole. It's kind of my trademark. Learn to enjoy it. SteveG….the more I read your posts, the more you sound like Erasmus, Spinoza and the like.

That’s not bad company to be in.

You’ll find that I tend to be confusing and hard to pigeonhole. It’s kind of my trademark. Learn to enjoy it.

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]]> By: Justus331 http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299484 Justus331 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:39:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299484 According to the ever-moral fashionista Ms. Gladman, I must be one of those tut-tutting traditionalists. Hmmm, I guess I am! :) Llama......please tell me you weren't calling me judgmental on this issue. I am merely stating the correct order in these events of a person's life. If 2 people can't figure out that marraige comes before children they ought not need to even be together. It's a person's responsibility to be pleasing to God first. Agreed? SteveG....the more I read your posts, the more you sound like Erasmus, Spinoza and the like. According to the ever-moral fashionista Ms. Gladman, I must be one of those tut-tutting traditionalists. Hmmm, I guess I am! :)
Llama……please tell me you weren’t calling me judgmental on this issue. I am merely stating the correct order in these events of a person’s life. If 2 people can’t figure out that marraige comes before children they ought not need to even be together. It’s a person’s responsibility to be pleasing to God first. Agreed?

SteveG….the more I read your posts, the more you sound like Erasmus, Spinoza and the like.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299431 SteveG Wed, 07 May 2008 12:35:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299431 Murder harms others. It kills one and leaves their loved ones devastated. Getting pregnant a few months before the wedding is just a private decision you happen to look down on. It's not even on the level of promiscuity or chosen single-motherhood. They're hardly comparable. Don't assume that I don't recognize real sin just because I reject your shame-based tut-tutting of people whose life choices don't meet your standards. Murder harms others. It kills one and leaves their loved ones devastated.

Getting pregnant a few months before the wedding is just a private decision you happen to look down on. It’s not even on the level of promiscuity or chosen single-motherhood.

They’re hardly comparable.

Don’t assume that I don’t recognize real sin just because I reject your shame-based tut-tutting of people whose life choices don’t meet your standards.

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]]> By: Cheryl D. http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299411 Cheryl D. Wed, 07 May 2008 05:47:25 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299411 No, Steve, actually it has not. Should it? Has it ever given <i>you</i> pause to wonder what the world would be like if we didn't have a category for "sin," or if people could sin openly without feeling guilt? Murder is "perfectly natural" for some people, but if you think about it, you might want a better category for what constitutes moral behavior than what is "natural." No, Steve, actually it has not. Should it?

Has it ever given you pause to wonder what the world would be like if we didn’t have a category for “sin,” or if people could sin openly without feeling guilt?

Murder is “perfectly natural” for some people, but if you think about it, you might want a better category for what constitutes moral behavior than what is “natural.”

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299393 SteveG Wed, 07 May 2008 03:54:32 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299393 Cheryl D at #9: <i>In other words, pregnant brides have always been around, but it didn’t used to be something they publicly celebrated.</i> Does it ever give you pause how much of your religion is based on the idea that people should be ashamed of perfectly natural things people do? Cheryl D at #9: In other words, pregnant brides have always been around, but it didn’t used to be something they publicly celebrated.

Does it ever give you pause how much of your religion is based on the idea that people should be ashamed of perfectly natural things people do?

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]]> By: K. http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299374 K. Wed, 07 May 2008 02:50:25 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299374 14. "But it takes courage to openly choose life." I think that the idea of "choosing life" implies an unplanned pregnancy, and I'm not sure that these brides didn't plan to get pregnant. Many of them probably wanted to get married and to have a baby, and they were unconcerned about getting pregnant before the wedding. It isn't considered shameful anymore. 14. “But it takes courage to openly choose life.”

I think that the idea of “choosing life” implies an unplanned pregnancy, and I’m not sure that these brides didn’t plan to get pregnant. Many of them probably wanted to get married and to have a baby, and they were unconcerned about getting pregnant before the wedding. It isn’t considered shameful anymore.

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]]> By: grandma http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299334 grandma Wed, 07 May 2008 01:49:21 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299334 Klasko, Your story reminds me of what happened with our Tajik daughter. (She is from Takijikastan) She was going to school at the university and met a great young man from Peru. They became engaged, but because they were both foreigners, they could not get a marriage license in Montana without paying an enormous fee. They could get married in Las Vegas without any problems. So, they took off to Las Vegas, got married and returned home. Later she called us and wanted to talk, so DH was going to be in town that day and said he would stop by. She was living in his apartment, so DH asked what was going on. She said, "I hope you won't be mad at me." And went on to tell the story of their adventure to get married. DH just laughed and thought it was great. They were married and we were happy for them. 3 months later they had a church wedding and it was a great party. No one knew they had married earlier and no one knew she was pregnant. Klasko,

Your story reminds me of what happened with our Tajik daughter. (She is from Takijikastan) She was going to school at the university and met a great young man from Peru. They became engaged, but because they were both foreigners, they could not get a marriage license in Montana without paying an enormous fee. They could get married in Las Vegas without any problems. So, they took off to Las Vegas, got married and returned home.

Later she called us and wanted to talk, so DH was going to be in town that day and said he would stop by. She was living in his apartment, so DH asked what was going on. She said, “I hope you won’t be mad at me.” And went on to tell the story of their adventure to get married. DH just laughed and thought it was great. They were married and we were happy for them.

3 months later they had a church wedding and it was a great party. No one knew they had married earlier and no one knew she was pregnant.

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]]> By: Sawgunner http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299310 Sawgunner Wed, 07 May 2008 00:40:01 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299310 I dont think we can realisticly hope for a sudden rebirth (pardon the pun) of shame or stigma attached to illegitimacy or out of wedlock births. Dan Quayle, where are you now? I dont think we can realisticly hope for a sudden rebirth (pardon the pun) of shame or stigma attached to illegitimacy or out of wedlock births.
Dan Quayle, where are you now?

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]]> By: Xion http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-299301 Xion Wed, 07 May 2008 00:15:26 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/06/here-comes-the-bump/#comment-299301 Is it wrong? Yes. But it takes courage to openly choose life. This I celebrate! Is it wrong? Yes. But it takes courage to openly choose life. This I celebrate!

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