Comments on: John Hagee apologizes

By: Jon Rowe

Jon Rowe — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:51:43 +0000

31 & 32,

Then how do you respond to John MacArthur’s sermon I linked to above. I’m simply stating that his views are more in accord with evangelical Christianity as it has existed since the time of Luther and Calvin. This idea that Catholics are also saved, while perhaps justifiable in evangelical Christianity, is pretty historically novel.

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By: krm

krm — Thu, 15 May 2008 20:12:16 +0000

Jon R – Many of my cohorts at an Evangelical Church grew up in RC churches (and were saved there). We came to diagree with certain facets of Catholicism, but we got to saving faith while still in the RC. Most of us left behind people every bit as saved as those we now spend our Sundays with.

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By: RRBar

RRBar — Thu, 15 May 2008 20:03:31 +0000

Jon Rowe,

You seem to have a pretty stern view of evangelicals. I think I am one. I was pretty sure of it till I read some of your views about them. I don’t fit! I feel sure that all those Catholics that believe in Jesus are saved, and surely that’s 99.9% of them. That’s the biblical requirement, there’s no separate clauses for Baptists, Catholics, or others.

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By: hopesprings

hopesprings — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:34:41 +0000

“When I get to heaven, I shall see three wonders there. The first wonder will be to see many there whom I did not expect to see; the second wonder will be to miss many people who I did expect to see; and the third and greatest of all will be to find myself there.”

~ John Newton

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By: Jon Rowe

Jon Rowe — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:20:46 +0000

NJ Lawyer,

You sound too theologically liberal for an evangelical. orthodox evangelical Christianity is an exclusive doctrine. Catholics qua Catholics don’t meet the requirements for salvation. Listen to Dr. MacArthur’s speech that I linked to above. That’s bona fide evangelical Protestant Christianity, purified of any liberal temptation.

If you want to be a theological liberal, that’s fine; but you shouldn’t stop with Catholics. You should also think about whether Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses or any good person of good conscience who lives a good life is also saved.

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By: NJLawyer

NJLawyer — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:10:32 +0000

My friend, a non-practicing Catholic, invariably tells me something like “my mother always said…” which concludes with words that Jesus said. I tell my friend “Jesus said that.” Are you really telling me that that little old Spanish lady who went to Mass all the time because she believe Jesus is the Way, etc., wasn’t saved because she was a Catholic? I’m aware of the doctrinal differences, etc., but the RCC is made up of people, many of whom truly believe that Jesus is the Way, etc. Why isn’t that enough for those individuals to be considered saved?

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By: Kyle A

Kyle A — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:25:00 +0000

Isn’t it strange that when it comes to abortion, people call the Roman Catholic Church all sorts of names, but when a Protestant cergyman expresses anti-Catholic views, suddenly people rush to defend the RCC?

Isn’t it strange that people are shocked that a Protestant would teach that the RCC is apostate, when both branches of the Church actually believe each other to be so?

Isn’t it strange that people think that an endorsement by John Hagee means that John McCain must hate Catholics? Isn’t that a pretty big leap?

Isn’t it strange that people equate an endorsement of a candidate with a candidate’s close relationship with the pastor of his church for twenty years? Do they even teach logic in public schools?

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By: bernmutt

bernmutt — Wed, 14 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000

What about Hagee’s million dollar ministry scandal? How come that is never mentioned in the media? For more info, google search “open letter to pastor hagee”.

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By: Scroop Moth

Scroop Moth — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:38 +0000

It’s fine for Donahue the cardinal-manqué of Catholicism to accept Hagee’s contrition, but now Hagee owes an apology to all those who retain any respect for social grace and art of the apology.

We are insulted all, humanity winces, anytime somebody says “I want to express my deep regret for any comments that [x] found hurtful.”

Further, doesn’t Hagee really twist the knife when he exposits that the Church of Rome isn’t the Whore of Babylon yet and won’t become the Whore of Babylon until the Rapture when Jesus whisks away true Christians?

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By: Jon Rowe

Jon Rowe — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:41:13 +0000

By the way, from the perspective of real evangelical Christianity, like what was linked above, one of the worst distorters of traditional Christianity and the history of the American Founding is David Barton and Wallbuilders; I’d encourage you not to touch them with a 10 foot pole. Not saying that his own personal faith is a distortion of Christianity; from what I know, he’s a meat and potatoes evangelicals. But when it comes to discussing Christianity’s role in the American that’s where the distortion begins. For instance, listen to the names of the “Christians” Barton lists as responsible for the American Revolution (and while endorsing Roman Catholic Sam Brownback). John Adams, Samuel Cooper, Jonathan Mayhew and Charles Chauncy. They were militiant theological unitarians, rejecting Jesus’ full Godhood and theological universalists, rejecting eternal damnation.

To give “Christianity” credit for the American Revolution, they are now, according to Barton, “Christians.” Either Barton doesn’t know of their heresy and he’s ignorant. Or he does and that’s worse for him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yPY93m_9pzc

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