<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Activist California court overrules voters on gay marriage ban</title>
	<atom:link href="http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/</link>
	<description>A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:26:29 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-7/#comment-305660</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-305660</guid>
		<description>scdude, you are no match for Peter Leavitt, good luck you will need it -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scdude, you are no match for Peter Leavitt, good luck you will need it -
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=305660', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: scdude</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-7/#comment-305637</link>
		<dc:creator>scdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 02:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-305637</guid>
		<description>Peter Leavitt: 269

Your really ought to read a few historys of the early Catholic church, say up to the 1800&#039;s.  Admiration?  Give me a break.

I guess they did get rid of most of the witches though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Leavitt: 269</p>
<p>Your really ought to read a few historys of the early Catholic church, say up to the 1800&#8217;s.  Admiration?  Give me a break.</p>
<p>I guess they did get rid of most of the witches though.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=305637', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-7/#comment-303279</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303279</guid>
		<description>JReed, thank you for the thoughtful and painstaking collection of Biblical verses that are very relevant to this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JReed, thank you for the thoughtful and painstaking collection of Biblical verses that are very relevant to this thread.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303279', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303273</link>
		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303273</guid>
		<description>JREED1962, the Christians here understood your post and the point you were making in your initial paragraph. Don&#039;t let anyone try to intimidate you or make you feel you did something wrong by posting what you did. 

I&#039;d bet there were those who either failed to read the verses, or having done so, willfully turned their back on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JREED1962, the Christians here understood your post and the point you were making in your initial paragraph. Don&#8217;t let anyone try to intimidate you or make you feel you did something wrong by posting what you did. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet there were those who either failed to read the verses, or having done so, willfully turned their back on them.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303273', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hrw</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303170</link>
		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303170</guid>
		<description>Jon Rowe 
Free markets don&#039;t bring happiness 
http://tinyurl.com/2vg22g

Nor does it encourage human development i.e  creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

nor does it create the best quality of life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index

Consistently in the top 10 of each survey is the Scandinavian countries whereas in the heritage rankings they are in the mid teens to mid twenties. The fact that both laissez faire and social democratic states can be found in similar ranking position indicates there is not one correct ideology. I would suggest good management and natural resources are more important. Since I value equality of opportunity and quality  of life more I prefer the social democratic ideology but perhaps you have different values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Rowe<br />
Free markets don&#8217;t bring happiness<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2vg22g" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2vg22g</a></p>
<p>Nor does it encourage human development i.e  creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests.</p>
<p><a href="http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/" rel="nofollow">http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/</a></p>
<p>nor does it create the best quality of life</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index</a></p>
<p>Consistently in the top 10 of each survey is the Scandinavian countries whereas in the heritage rankings they are in the mid teens to mid twenties. The fact that both laissez faire and social democratic states can be found in similar ranking position indicates there is not one correct ideology. I would suggest good management and natural resources are more important. Since I value equality of opportunity and quality  of life more I prefer the social democratic ideology but perhaps you have different values.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303170', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303149</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303149</guid>
		<description>I find it weird when people pray in blog posts. Seems like it should violate some commandment to not make worship a spectacle which I vaguely remember from Catechism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it weird when people pray in blog posts. Seems like it should violate some commandment to not make worship a spectacle which I vaguely remember from Catechism.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303149', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: musing</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303073</link>
		<dc:creator>musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303073</guid>
		<description>JVREED1962 post 296,

I always find these kinds of posts easier to interpret if they are preceded by:

I believe that ...

Any time someone tries to &quot;prove&quot; something with Biblical quotes, they have a tendency to founder on the question of how reliable we should consider that portion of the Bible.

When you say you believe this because of these Bible verses, as stated, unless you lied, this in unquestionably true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JVREED1962 post 296,</p>
<p>I always find these kinds of posts easier to interpret if they are preceded by:</p>
<p>I believe that &#8230;</p>
<p>Any time someone tries to &#8220;prove&#8221; something with Biblical quotes, they have a tendency to founder on the question of how reliable we should consider that portion of the Bible.</p>
<p>When you say you believe this because of these Bible verses, as stated, unless you lied, this in unquestionably true.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303073', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jvreed1962</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303060</link>
		<dc:creator>jvreed1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303060</guid>
		<description>When we take God out of our lives, schools,and family the god of this world substitutes his lies and destroys that which God loves. The devil is really working overtime because he knows his days are few. Lift up your eyes for your salvation is drawing nearer. Father I pray that your love and your light would shine brighter in these dark days. May your children be the witness we are called to be. In loving the sinners but hating the sin. God help us. 





Rom 1:18  The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
 
Rom 1:19   since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
 
Rom 1:20   For since the creation of the world God&#039;s invisible qualities&#8211;his eternal power and divine nature&#8211;have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
 
Rom 1:21   For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
 
Rom 1:22   Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
 
Rom 1:23   and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
 
Rom 1:24   Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
 
Rom 1:25   They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator&#8211;who is forever praised. Amen.
 
Rom 1:26   Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
 
Rom 1:27   In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
 
Rom 1:28   Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
 
Rom 1:29   They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
 
Rom 1:30   slanderers, God&#8209;haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
 
Rom 1:31   they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
 
Rom 1:32   Although they know God&#039;s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we take God out of our lives, schools,and family the god of this world substitutes his lies and destroys that which God loves. The devil is really working overtime because he knows his days are few. Lift up your eyes for your salvation is drawing nearer. Father I pray that your love and your light would shine brighter in these dark days. May your children be the witness we are called to be. In loving the sinners but hating the sin. God help us. </p>
<p>Rom 1:18  The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,</p>
<p>Rom 1:19   since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.</p>
<p>Rom 1:20   For since the creation of the world God&#8217;s invisible qualities&#8211;his eternal power and divine nature&#8211;have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.</p>
<p>Rom 1:21   For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.</p>
<p>Rom 1:22   Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools</p>
<p>Rom 1:23   and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.</p>
<p>Rom 1:24   Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.</p>
<p>Rom 1:25   They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator&#8211;who is forever praised. Amen.</p>
<p>Rom 1:26   Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.</p>
<p>Rom 1:27   In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.</p>
<p>Rom 1:28   Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.</p>
<p>Rom 1:29   They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,</p>
<p>Rom 1:30   slanderers, God&#8209;haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;</p>
<p>Rom 1:31   they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.</p>
<p>Rom 1:32   Although they know God&#8217;s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303060', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: musing</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303032</link>
		<dc:creator>musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303032</guid>
		<description>Joel Mark post 291,

I suggest your comment about Europe being Islamic is a bit of hyperbole.

It is interesting, hwever, that what you appear to consider to be churches that keep the faith with the past appear to be typically 15th century or latter in origin, arguably most are post 18th century.

If one insists on keeping faith with the past then I suggest that Roman Catholicism, Eastern Rite Churches, or perhaps the ethiopean Church are appropriate denominations.

It is interesting that many of those who appear to argue for &quot;the original faith&quot; in fact are followers of what may be argued are relatively modern &quot;heresies&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel Mark post 291,</p>
<p>I suggest your comment about Europe being Islamic is a bit of hyperbole.</p>
<p>It is interesting, hwever, that what you appear to consider to be churches that keep the faith with the past appear to be typically 15th century or latter in origin, arguably most are post 18th century.</p>
<p>If one insists on keeping faith with the past then I suggest that Roman Catholicism, Eastern Rite Churches, or perhaps the ethiopean Church are appropriate denominations.</p>
<p>It is interesting that many of those who appear to argue for &#8220;the original faith&#8221; in fact are followers of what may be argued are relatively modern &#8220;heresies&#8221;.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303032', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SteveG</title>
		<link>http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-6/#comment-303021</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/15/activist-california-court-overrules-voters-on-gay-marriage-ban/#comment-303021</guid>
		<description>Barry Lynn: A devout Christian who nevertheless believes that neither Christianity nor any other religion needs or should have government support.

For this, good Christians in more conservative congregations -- those who DO think they&#039;re entitled to have the government impose their beliefs on the rest of the country -- demonize him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Lynn: A devout Christian who nevertheless believes that neither Christianity nor any other religion needs or should have government support.</p>
<p>For this, good Christians in more conservative congregations &#8212; those who DO think they&#8217;re entitled to have the government impose their beliefs on the rest of the country &#8212; demonize him.
<p align="right"><font POINT-SIZE=8><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://online.worldmag.com/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=303021', 500, 500)">Report comment to moderator</a></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
