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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca,

I don&#039;t think this woman should be prosecuted for murder or anything close, possibly not at all. In one sense she probably has been &quot;punished enough.&quot; But in another sense, a child is dead, and she is at least indirectly the reason--due to a deliberate action on her part, though not deliberately murderous. By comparison, I don&#039;t think that a person who accidentally runs over a child should go to prison for it--but &lt;i&gt;sometimes&lt;/i&gt; there needs to be a trial. (Were there indications the driver was overly negligent--drunk, for instance?) 

In this case, the intention wasn&#039;t death--but the intention WAS harm, and that should matter. And also, I don&#039;t know if you remember being 13, but I do. One of two years of my life that would qualify as &quot;worst ever,&quot; and I&#039;d probably give it the prize for worst year, simply because I didn&#039;t have the maturity or resources to deal with life. We can expect a 13-year-old to be immature and not able to deal with life without adult support. An adult stooping to immature cruelty is not acceptable. In other words, yes the girl might seem to be &quot;foolish and stupid&quot;--but she&#039;s 13, and we can rather expect foolish and stupid at that age. And a 13-year-old under this kind of pressure is quite likely to cave under it. And &quot;everybody gets made fun of&quot; does NOT cover this, any more than &quot;everyone gets hurt sometimes&quot; would be adequate when talking to someone who has been raped. 

When I was 14, a 13-year-old acquaintance killed himself. I had never attempted suicide, but I &lt;i&gt;understood&lt;/i&gt; in a way only a recent 13-year-old can, and the adults talking about how &quot;silly&quot; he had been only showed me they didn&#039;t have a clue how hard it is to be 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bianca,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this woman should be prosecuted for murder or anything close, possibly not at all. In one sense she probably has been &#8220;punished enough.&#8221; But in another sense, a child is dead, and she is at least indirectly the reason&#8211;due to a deliberate action on her part, though not deliberately murderous. By comparison, I don&#8217;t think that a person who accidentally runs over a child should go to prison for it&#8211;but <i>sometimes</i> there needs to be a trial. (Were there indications the driver was overly negligent&#8211;drunk, for instance?) </p>
<p>In this case, the intention wasn&#8217;t death&#8211;but the intention WAS harm, and that should matter. And also, I don&#8217;t know if you remember being 13, but I do. One of two years of my life that would qualify as &#8220;worst ever,&#8221; and I&#8217;d probably give it the prize for worst year, simply because I didn&#8217;t have the maturity or resources to deal with life. We can expect a 13-year-old to be immature and not able to deal with life without adult support. An adult stooping to immature cruelty is not acceptable. In other words, yes the girl might seem to be &#8220;foolish and stupid&#8221;&#8211;but she&#8217;s 13, and we can rather expect foolish and stupid at that age. And a 13-year-old under this kind of pressure is quite likely to cave under it. And &#8220;everybody gets made fun of&#8221; does NOT cover this, any more than &#8220;everyone gets hurt sometimes&#8221; would be adequate when talking to someone who has been raped. </p>
<p>When I was 14, a 13-year-old acquaintance killed himself. I had never attempted suicide, but I <i>understood</i> in a way only a recent 13-year-old can, and the adults talking about how &#8220;silly&#8221; he had been only showed me they didn&#8217;t have a clue how hard it is to be 13.
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it, but this girl chose to be foolish and kill herself over something this childish and stupid.  Everybody gets made fun of and has jokes and pranks played on them. Sure, it stinks that this woman did this, but she shouldn&#039;t be prosecuted for it. God will punish her much worse than any court anyway. I feel badly for this girl&#039;s family, but come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it, but this girl chose to be foolish and kill herself over something this childish and stupid.  Everybody gets made fun of and has jokes and pranks played on them. Sure, it stinks that this woman did this, but she shouldn&#8217;t be prosecuted for it. God will punish her much worse than any court anyway. I feel badly for this girl&#8217;s family, but come on.
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Cheryl, it seems like it was a bad situation all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Cheryl, it seems like it was a bad situation all around.
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 06:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen O.,

That is pretty awful. I had sort of similar things happen to me when I was a kid (not on that level, but I got mocked a lot, and had boys pretend to like me to make other boys laugh). What this woman did was wrong--but to call it murder is a huge stretch. I can&#039;t imagine even the parents wanting her prosecuted for murder. And the parents of this girl really should have been monitoring her computer use too, and on top of the situation. I&#039;m not saying they&#039;re to blame, but they clearly weren&#039;t on top of it, either. A 13-year-old shouldn&#039;t have unlimited computer access, as I assume she did; this got to such a level because nobody was looking out for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen O.,</p>
<p>That is pretty awful. I had sort of similar things happen to me when I was a kid (not on that level, but I got mocked a lot, and had boys pretend to like me to make other boys laugh). What this woman did was wrong&#8211;but to call it murder is a huge stretch. I can&#8217;t imagine even the parents wanting her prosecuted for murder. And the parents of this girl really should have been monitoring her computer use too, and on top of the situation. I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re to blame, but they clearly weren&#8217;t on top of it, either. A 13-year-old shouldn&#8217;t have unlimited computer access, as I assume she did; this got to such a level because nobody was looking out for her.
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure about the legal ramifications, but &lt;i&gt;morally&lt;/i&gt; this was reprehensible.

Even if the girl did not have a history of depression, this was a terrible thing to do to a child/teen.  It would have been hurtful enough to another adult, but teens are so emotionally vulnerable.

I had a similar-but-different thing happen to me when I was about 15.  My best friend&#039;s former best friend (from the town she used to live in) was visiting her, &amp; they called me.  BF&#039;s-former-BF pretended to be a guy who really wanted to meet me.  (I was overweight &amp; had not yet had a boyfriend.)  

She pretended to &quot;like&quot; me over the phone &amp; talk about how I was going to be &quot;his&quot; girl when we all got together.  I was so thrilled!

Then they let me in on the joke.  They thought it was hilarious that I believed it.  I was humiliated.

32 years later, I can still remember how awful that felt.  And that was nothing like what this young girl experienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the legal ramifications, but <i>morally</i> this was reprehensible.</p>
<p>Even if the girl did not have a history of depression, this was a terrible thing to do to a child/teen.  It would have been hurtful enough to another adult, but teens are so emotionally vulnerable.</p>
<p>I had a similar-but-different thing happen to me when I was about 15.  My best friend&#8217;s former best friend (from the town she used to live in) was visiting her, &amp; they called me.  BF&#8217;s-former-BF pretended to be a guy who really wanted to meet me.  (I was overweight &amp; had not yet had a boyfriend.)  </p>
<p>She pretended to &#8220;like&#8221; me over the phone &amp; talk about how I was going to be &#8220;his&#8221; girl when we all got together.  I was so thrilled!</p>
<p>Then they let me in on the joke.  They thought it was hilarious that I believed it.  I was humiliated.</p>
<p>32 years later, I can still remember how awful that felt.  And that was nothing like what this young girl experienced.
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		<title>By: Wiglaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiglaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJLawyer,
Perhaps you could comment on this more, but it seems to me that the scary thing about this whole case is the apparently new powers the government is given to press charges, 1. for something that should be tort and not criminal and 2. transferring jurisdiction to another state.

What exactly does this mean:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;accessing protected computers without authorization to get information used to inflict emotional distress on the teen&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And  this:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;...without having to ship the case to a different state...we have to go to federal courts in other states to make a stretching leap argument.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

On top of that, how do you define &quot;harassing a minor?&quot;  What reasonableness condition do you place on that?  Is jurisdiction limited or because it&#039;s the internet, all you have to do is prove that some part of the transmission &quot;traveled&quot; through the state you want to prosecute in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJLawyer,<br />
Perhaps you could comment on this more, but it seems to me that the scary thing about this whole case is the apparently new powers the government is given to press charges, 1. for something that should be tort and not criminal and 2. transferring jurisdiction to another state.</p>
<p>What exactly does this mean:<br />
<i>&#8220;accessing protected computers without authorization to get information used to inflict emotional distress on the teen&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And  this:<br />
<i>&#8220;&#8230;without having to ship the case to a different state&#8230;we have to go to federal courts in other states to make a stretching leap argument.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>On top of that, how do you define &#8220;harassing a minor?&#8221;  What reasonableness condition do you place on that?  Is jurisdiction limited or because it&#8217;s the internet, all you have to do is prove that some part of the transmission &#8220;traveled&#8221; through the state you want to prosecute in?
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klasko, you have to prove this woman knew the dead girl was suffering from these problems. 

I don&#039;t know how you would get a murder/manslaughter charge out of what we know about this, Kiyoshi. These people didn&#039;t touch this child physically. They weren&#039;t present. She killed herself. It was her choice. Moreover, you&#039;d have to prove intent, remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klasko, you have to prove this woman knew the dead girl was suffering from these problems. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you would get a murder/manslaughter charge out of what we know about this, Kiyoshi. These people didn&#8217;t touch this child physically. They weren&#8217;t present. She killed herself. It was her choice. Moreover, you&#8217;d have to prove intent, remember?
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klasko, you have to prove this woman knew the dead girl was suffering from these problems. 

I don&#039;t know how you would get a murder/manslaughter charge out of what we know about this, Kiyoshi. These people didn&#039;t touch this child physically. They weren&#039;t present. She killed herself. It was her choice. Moreover, you&#039;d have to prove intent, remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klasko, you have to prove this woman knew the dead girl was suffering from these problems. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you would get a murder/manslaughter charge out of what we know about this, Kiyoshi. These people didn&#8217;t touch this child physically. They weren&#8217;t present. She killed herself. It was her choice. Moreover, you&#8217;d have to prove intent, remember?
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		<title>By: Kiyoshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiyoshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d expect a guilty plea.  She&#039;s already made incriminating admissions.  Of course, she made them after the Missouri DA decided not to pursue criminal charges under state law.  She must not have considered that she would be charged under a federal statute.

I doubt that she&#039;ll want to risk being found guilty and having to serve a 20-year sentence.  She can probably plead out and serve a mere 5-7 years.

Of course, it&#039;s still not clear to me why she couldn&#039;t be charged with involuntary manslaughter or depraved-heart murder.  Justice would be served if Drew and her daughter spent the rest of their days behind bars.  The mother will probably only serve a few years.  The Drew daughter, who instigated the whole affair, will probably not serve any time for her crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d expect a guilty plea.  She&#8217;s already made incriminating admissions.  Of course, she made them after the Missouri DA decided not to pursue criminal charges under state law.  She must not have considered that she would be charged under a federal statute.</p>
<p>I doubt that she&#8217;ll want to risk being found guilty and having to serve a 20-year sentence.  She can probably plead out and serve a mere 5-7 years.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s still not clear to me why she couldn&#8217;t be charged with involuntary manslaughter or depraved-heart murder.  Justice would be served if Drew and her daughter spent the rest of their days behind bars.  The mother will probably only serve a few years.  The Drew daughter, who instigated the whole affair, will probably not serve any time for her crimes.
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		<title>By: mytwosense</title>
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		<dc:creator>mytwosense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the drugs they put kids on, young, with their associated side effects, is another layer, but off the main subject.  

..a whole other story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the drugs they put kids on, young, with their associated side effects, is another layer, but off the main subject.  </p>
<p>..a whole other story.
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