NARAL deepens divisions
When NARAL Pro Choice America endorsed Barack Obama last week in an effort to mend the divide between black voters and feminists, they only deepened the rift and brought down the wrath of their members. The fight even led one blogger to ask if the NARAL endorsement was bigger than John Edwards’ endorsement.
On Wednesday, NARAL president Nancy Keenan said that NARAL is backing “the pro-choice candidate whom we believe will secure the Democratic nomination and advance to the general election. That candidate is Senator Obama.” In a video that included statements by NARAL staffers, Keenan emphasized the need to move towards a general election mentality: “We cannot go another day without John McCain’s record being exposed to the American public.” A young female staffer called Obama “the best candidate possible to defeat John McCain.”
Hillary Clinton, of course, was “disappointed.” Ellen Malcolm, president of Emily’s List, was outraged and called it “tremendously disrespectful … to not give [Clinton] the courtesy to finish the final three weeks of the primary process.” The National Women’s Caucus protested the decision as well. Nearly a quarter of NARAL states affiliates issued statements saying they are still neutral in the Democratic race, and hundreds of women expressed their disapproval in comments on the NARAL Pro Choice America blog.
Doug Kmiec, pro-life Catholic Obama-supporter, had other reservations. He called the endorsement “deeply troubling unless the good Senator Obama intends to match it with the sobering acknowledgment that abortion is less ‘right, than avoidable tragedy.” (He also revealed that a priest denied him communion for supporting Obama, another bit that’s drawn plenty of commentary.)
Talking Point Memo’s Greg Sargent states the obvious: “This was a really mystifying decision for NARAL to make. All it did was alienate huge swaths of its membership and fundraising base, and it’s hard to see how the endorsement did anything to accomplish the group’s stated goal of uniting African Americans and female activists.”
Victor Davis Hanson explains the power struggle: The race-class-gender industry “is no longer fancifully seen as united and synonymous in its struggle against rich, white Christian heterosexual male capitalists, but at each other’s throat—and so the Democrats have had by needs to deconstruct them into pecking-order categories of descending importance: race trumps all (Obama), then gender (Hillary), with class concerns lagging behind (white working class).”




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It looks to me as though the Democrats have painted themselves into a pretty corner with their race-class-gender juggling act, and this time they can’t blame the conservatives. It’s all their own doing.
Can’t say I feel sorry for Naral either. Finally, the true believer feminists will see that it all comes down to winning, not “principle.”
Nor do I feel sorry for Doug Kmiec. He made his choice; the RCC made theirs. Both are entitled to do so.
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NJLawyer post 1,
and this teacup tempest changes the dynamic for either:
1) the democratic nomination
2) the general election
I guess whistling is considered by some to work.
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African Americans are by and large MIA from the whole proChoice Agenda, and have been so for quite some time.
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Ok, so these baby-murderers are fighting over which candidate sucks up to them better. May they all taste bitter defeat.
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dav post 4,
and if they do not taste bitter defeat?
If instead the social conservatives face bitter defeat?
In fact, do the social conservatives have any truly social conservative candidates in the presidential race?
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This isn’t about social conservatives, Musing. This is about how bent out of shape the feminists are with fellow Dems choosing Obama over Hillary.
The Republican party has its problems, for sure, this year, but we are witnessing a real crack in the Democratic party. This whole election is causing people to realign themselves within both parties. You’ve read posts here that McCain is too liberal, so those people are unhappy. The same is true for the Democrats. There is a very large block of people who are unhappy on both sides.
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Consult those wonderful books “The Party of Death” by Ramesh Ponneru and “Why the Democrats Are Blue” by … oops! cant recall author’s name!
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NJLawyer post 6,
what, you mean that the Democratic party can tolerate disagreement and dessension? That lock step obedience to a strict political ideology is not requried?
I agree that this election is causing people to realign themselves within both parties.
The polling data susggesats we are seeing the emergence of a new form of Democratic majority.
The electoral data suggests that the Republicans congressional candidates face a toxic electoral environment (c.f. Huckabee’s comments).
I will not predict the outcome of the presidential election in November: there are too many uncertainties.
I can, however, predict the form of the campaign: McCain will be on the continued defensive trying to reconcile his support of Bush policies with being an independent candidate.
I will predict the congressional campaign: based on all the evidence to date, Republicans will, in Bush’s words, take a thumping.
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I, too, will not predict November.
I won’t predict the campaign either. The news is all focused on Hillary and Obama, and is only starting to do a McCain/Obama thing. Today was the first day I heard news people deliberately and openly leaving Hillary out.
There are all sorts of things going on in this country under the surface, and we haven’t even mentioned immigration. That’s a big moose in the room. (I deliberately did not say elephant.) I haven’t met one person, Republican or Democrat, happy on that one. And neither party has tapped into the reality of how people feel about it. The people tanked the last legislative effort, and they’ll do it again if it’s not “right.” They are bent out of shape. I’d use stronger language, but the rules here will not permit, but you know what I mean.
The Republicans messed up (I want to use another word there) Congress, so what happens to them, happens. We both know you flunk the exam when you don’t study, so to speak. Karl Rove had some ideas this morning (which I don’t remember off hand, you can find them on Fox), but it ain’t lookin’ good for ‘em.
Tongue in Cheek now: You know I think all Democrats/liberals are a tad psychologically deranged, what with all that redefining of words, an indicator of an inability to face reality, but there’s a revolution going on there. They have some hard core feminists in there, and you never know what the girls will do when they get bent out of shape.
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NJLawyer post 9,
so lets look at those forces in play:
1) the war in Iraq
2) the economy
3) immigration
4) conservative social values
5) bigottry of various sorts
And are you seriously suggesting that the dynamic is in the Republican’s favor?
What about the recent special elections?
What about the Obama turnout?
And I think we can safely say that “the girls” will not vote for McCain.
I know you think the Democrats/liberals are a tad psychologically deranged. You also probably know that I believe the the conservatives in the main seem to have difficulty interpreting reality.
And as you noted, a new reality seems to be forming, and it does not look good for conservatives in general, a point you appear to concede is true at least for congress.
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I think my paragraph about the Republicans and Congress says I don’t think the Republicans are doing well.
All we hear about right now are Democrats, so those are the people who are “turning out.” Republicans have no reason to turn out, nor is McCain getting the same amount of press. I personally didn’t think GWB was going to win the last time, but those convention speeches hit home. Everything is fluid. Nothing is written in stone. There are too many “what ifs” that can happen. Obama hasn’t been challenged yet. There are small signs of the economy rallying. We’ll see. It’s too soon.
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NJLawyer post 11,
I do sense what appears to be a great irony: Republicans are potentially competitive in this presidential race because they selected a candidate who specifically rejected their base. McCain is indeed a Republican, and arguably a very effective one, but McCain is surely not what the Republican base hoped would be the Republican candidate for this election.
It is fascinating that Republican presidential success may in fact rest on defending Republicans from themselves.
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Why is it that the posts are quickly hijacked by liberals who change the subject of the post? Anlir turned the John McCains military record post into a what I hate about christians post, And now Musing here does the same, by turning a post on Naral and their selection for a candidate, into a post on repubs chances. Maybe you should stick to the topic Musing. Have you nothing to say about the pro-death lobby picking Obama? Or on the feminists not being happy? Nothing to say about the dem party being in disaray, and at each others throats? Or is this simply another attempt by a lib to change the subject away from these obvious cracks in the dem party’s foundation? Sure looks that way to me. And like the McCain post, people fall for it. Can we please stay on topic?
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The Real AJ post 13,
I did back in post 2. Apparently you did not keep up on the thread.
However, I think you will find that NJLawyer agrees that the discussion follows.
Did you take a jab at me because I was “hijacking” the thread or because I was positing non-favorable comments on the conservatives? It is interesting that you made no such comments about NJLawyer, a conservative who was apparenlty posting along my lines approximately post for post.
It is so convenient to charge hijacking when the discussion is not favorable to your point of view.
P.S. I suggest that the Democratic party is in far less disarray than you appear to suggesting (see post 2). Further, what disarray there is appears to have been heavily influenced by Rush’s project chaos.
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Wow. Check out some of the comments on blogforchoice. These women are ticked at NARAL. And alot don’t seem to be pleased with Obama as the candidate either, or his answers on the questionaires. Add this to the fact that Obama has alienated the white working class with his guns and Bibles comments, and that many Hillary supporters say they won’t vote for him, and you can see that there are some serious cracks in this candidates base. And you know his opponents at the RNC will seriously be working to make those cracks larger, and more obvious, once he’s offically annointed as the candidate at the convention.
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Yeah Musing, 1 post. And then you posted 4 about your thoughts on repubs. That’s what the hijacking comments refered to. Your 4-1 ratio.
And I did refer to NJL with the “people fall for it” part. Because she did.
And no, I don’t mind you commenting unfavorably on conservatives. I would expect nothing less. But you completely ignore the unfavorable comments by other libs about NARALs indorsement. You changed the subject to conservatives instead.
And this one isn’t because of Op Chaos. This is all on the left. This isn’t the only crack either, as I mentioned in post #15. But hey you could just ignore all that and continue on about conservatives if you wish. But it’s a lame tactic, and it ignores the obvious problems in the dem party. I must go for awhile now. Yanks and Mets. I’ve got to stick with my priorities, but I’ll check back later, in case you decide to post on the actual subject here. I can only hope.
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Does NARAL get federal tax dollars as PPFA does? Im sure most of the men in NARAL are clinic operators or they are men like Hugh Hefner who support abortion since it makes possible consequence-less lifestyle.
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THE REAL AJ,
and your evidence that the NARAL situation is going to have a major impact on the election?
I do find it fascinating that the Republicans seem to be grasping at any straw they can grab.
Do you really think that NARAL endoresment is going to seriously change the electoral dynamic (see post 2)? Do you seriously believe that McCain will be significantly more attractvie than Obama to the people involved in this discussion?
Go look at the electoral dynamics in the present campaign:
1) Iraq
2) the economy
3) the old economy
4) immigration
5) the social conservative agenda
Do you seriously believe that this dynamic will be unfavorable to Democrats?
Do you seriously believe that the present NARAL controversy will last beyond the convention or even for that matter beyond the next news cycle?
But do continue whistling. Some argue that it may help.
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Real AJ, I plead guilty. I did fall for it. That’s my naivete coming through. I’ll do my best not to change thread topics if you’ll tell me when you catch me at it. I’m usually willing to talk to anyone about anything, and it never occurred to me that the liberals were deliberately diverting threads, but you’re right about the McCain thread. I’ll try to be good.
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Thanks NJL. Don’t worry, I sometimes fall victim to it myself.
And I think it’s a deliberate tactic they use as well. The McCain thread is a perfect example.
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Musing,
I don’t believe I said major impact. I believe I said crack in the Obama base.
And no I don’t think they’ll swing to McCain. But some might stay home.:) But no, they definately won’t vote McCain. He’s not in the pro-death party.
Iraq? Yawn. Even code pink can’t get more than 30 to 40 people out anymore. It’s off the radar for most, except the hardcore left.
The economy is, but it’s also showing signs of improving, which doesn’t really benefit dems.
Not sure what you mean by old economy.
And the dems stand on immigration isn’t the stand of most Americans. The last attempt at amnesty proved that. So no, that doesn’t really benefit the dems either.
And with the recent overiding of the people in Cali. with regard to gay marriage, the social conservative agenda may get a much needed boost. Which wouldn’t benefit dems.
Now that I’ve answered, can we stay on Topic? Or we could take it to the WV post, where it would be more appropriate.
Sorry NJL, see how easy it is to fall for this tactic? I just did it too.
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The Real AJ post 21,
so it would seem we are in general agreement that the NARAL situation is relatively moot.
I think you will find the following:
1) the Iraq war situation still has resonance: even McCain is talking about ending it
2) the economy is either in a recession or essentially in a recession for most people: this bodes ill for the party in power
3) the old economy is the manufacutring sector: the U.S. will need to address this sector and those employed in it somehow. right now this is off the Rapublican radar
4) you are right that the social agenda is perhaps the bright spot i the Republican poliitcal hpes: touble is, as many conservative point out, McCain is not a true social conservative
So, and german to the topic,
- NARAL has minimal impact
- right now the winds are against the Republicans although in choosing McCain as the nominee they have arguably made the best of a difficult situation
- if you are looking for cracks in the Democratic coalition, I suggest than in focusing on NARAL you are looking in the wrong place
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Sorry, Musing (22)…
So, and german to the topic,
-NARAL hat minimale Auswirkungen
- Gerade jetzt die Winde sind gegen die Republikaner zwar bei der Auswahl McCain, wie der Kandidat sie haben wohl die besten aus einer schwierigen Situation
-wenn Sie auf der Suche nach Rissen in der Demokratischen Koalition, schlage ich vor, als in dem Schwerpunkt auf NARAL Sie suchen an der falschen Stelle
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stubob post 33,
ah yes my fumble fingers.
Danke schoen!
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